WC - Winners,Dark Horse,Forgotten,Over & Underachievers

me-skywalker

Its easy just use the same 5 headings....

Winners Spain
Dark Horse Germany
Over-achievers Chile
Under-achievers England
Forgotten team Holland

DEFINITIONS
DARK HORSE is not to get to the Quarter Finals and further,
DARK HORSE would be a team to WIN outside the current top 4/5 favourites.

FORGETTEN TEAM = Team that just disappears out of the whole reckoning without much hype or much fuss. could say France/Portugal/Holland/South Africa... just in general a team that doesnt over achieve or under achieve one that nobody will remember or care how they done.

OVER-ACHIEVERS is an outsider team that you think will reach the Quarter finals or further, upsetting teams along the way. Someone like Serbia/Chile/Ivory Coast.

Royale with Cheese

How can you consider Germany a dark horse? Not one of the best teams in the competition, but nobody will be that surprised if they end up winning it.

Winners Brazil
Dark Horse Denmark
Over-achievers Australia
Under-achievers Argentina
Forgotten team France

me-skywalker

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

How can you consider Germany a dark horse? Not one of the best teams in the competition, but nobody will be that surprised if they end up winning it.

well if you consider it then so be it.. but they are my Dark Horse outside of the favourites ie.. Spain/Brazil/England so therefore your own statement proves the point a team thats not great but still has a chance to win. Like you cant really consider USA to be a dark horse.

Soby

Winners Spain/England
Dark Horse Ghana/Ivory Coast
Over-achievers Italy/France
Under-achievers Brazil
Forgotten team Holland (dont really know so ill leave holland in there)

Royale with Cheese

me-skywalker wrote: »

well if you consider it then so be it.. but they are my Dark Horse outside of the favourites ie.. Spain/Brazil/England so therefore your own statement proves the point a team thats not great but still has a chance to win. Like you cant really consider USA to be a dark horse.

Germany always do well in major competitions.

Nice edit.

eagle eye

Winners England
Dark Horse Ivory Coast
Over-achievers Ghana
Under-achievers Italy
Forgotten team Portugal

me-skywalker

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Germany always do well in major competitions.

Nice edit.

Have you seen the list of favourites?? I think Germany are currently 6th/7th? and with the current team they have in evolution wouldnt be considered a favourite. Im not saying a DARK HORSE to do well im using it as to WIN it so your pick Denmark is pretty ridiculous. Just try and understand something before you wade in with your useless negative dribble.

Morzadec

What's the difference between underachiever and forgotten team?

Winners: Brazil
Dark Horse: Mexico
Overachievers: United States
Underachievers: Netherlands

Bandit12

Winners.... Germany
Runners up.....Brazil
Dark horse.... Ivory coast
Tournament flops....France
Underachievers....Spain

Morzadec

Might have been an idea to clarify definitions of the terms.

I don't think that Germany can be classified as a dark horse, they have always been a major International force recently.(except for 2004 when they were terrible). They are a top seed, I would argue they are amongst the favourites and calling them a dark horse suggests otherwise.

My definition of 'dark horse' would be a team that would see getting to the quarter-finals as beyond their expectations. In other words any team outside the top seeds (except South Africa) and France. Otherwise I would change my predictions as I don't actually think that Mexico are more likely to go further than teams like Portugal/Germany/Netherlands

Frisbee

Winners - Brazil
Dark Horse - Ivory Coast
Over-achievers - Mexico
Under-achievers - Italy
Forgotten team -Portugal

me-skywalker

Morzadec wrote: »

Might have been an idea to clarify definitions of the terms.

DEFINITIONS BACK UP-TOP
didnt really mean for this to be a discussion thread more of a quick reference opinion thread that ppl can then discuss in the other threads but i suppose no harm in discussing ppls choices.

I think it has potential to be the best World-Cup ever( and I know its such and over used cliche) but with the quality of the African teams been as great as ever and other teams like Chile,Australia, Serbia,Denmark, Paraguay,South Korea all improving imeasureably. Also with Argentina in a chaotic state while maintaining some quality and fire, with Dunga and Brazil introducing some functional style to their creativity, Spain ready to take the big step now, England with the experience of past failures and a disciplined coach to focus them, France in disarray and Italy and Germany in transition. WOAH... It will be very interesting indeed.

Morzadec

Yeah I get the difference between dark horse and over-achievers, as in dark horse as a team that could possibly challenge, whereas over-achievers as a team that just does better than people would think, but of who not much was expected to begin with. I guess I've just never heard of a top seed being described as a 'dark horse' before, but lets not get into pedantics...

Based on the new definitions then, I will reasses my original predictions and say:

-Winners: Brazil
-Dark Horse: Italy
-Overachievers: Mexico
-Underachivers: Netherlands
-Fogotten Team: South Africa

Warper

Winners Brazil
Dark Horse Ivory Coast
Over-achievers South Africa (home team normally goes well)
Under-achievers Holland
Forgotten team - Portugal

Meh-he-co are quietly fancied too

Bubs101

Your definition of Dark Horse is wrong. Dark Horse to win is not what the phrase means

me-skywalker

Bubs101 wrote: »

Your definition of Dark Horse is wrong. Dark Horse to win is not what the phrase means

really? arnt you clever!! this is a definition in context of the statement. Plus I never said Dark Horse to win is what Dark Horse means. Dark horse is someone who acheives or wins outside or the expected or favourites which is what I have said... sooo stop trying to troll and hijack the thread.

Bubs101

me-skywalker wrote: »

really? arnt you clever!! this is a definition in context of the statement. Plus I never said Dark Horse to win is what Dark Horse means. Dark horse is someone who acheives or wins outside or the expected or favourites which is what I have said... sooo stop trying to troll and hijack the thread.

I'm not trying to hijack a thread. I'm just pointing out to you that Germany could never ever be considered a dark horse. It could be a good discussion if you got it right

me-skywalker

Bubs101 wrote: »

I'm not trying to hijack a thread. I'm just pointing out to you that Germany could never ever be considered a dark horse. It could be a good discussion if you got it right

yes you are and your not succeeding. You never pointed out why Germany couldnt be a Dark Horse and I already stated why the ARE a dark horse. It could be a good discussion if you werent so ignorant.

me-skywalker

me-skywalker wrote: »

Its easy

DEFINITIONS
DARK HORSE would be a team outside the favourites.

me-skywalker wrote: »

Have you seen the list of favourites?? I think Germany are currently 6th/7th? and with the current team they have in evolution wouldnt be considered a favourite. Im not saying a DARK HORSE to do well

Bubs101 wrote: »

I'm not trying to hijack a thread. I'm just pointing out to you that Germany could never ever be considered a dark horse. It could be a good discussion if you got it right

as all above!! right now Germany would be considered a Dark Horse... Fav being Spain, Brazil,England, Argentina etc etc. End of no more discussion on Germany being dark horses cause they are.

eagle eye

me-skywalker wrote: »

yes you are and your not succeeding. You never pointed out why Germany couldnt be a Dark Horse and I already stated why the ARE a dark horse. It could be a good discussion if you werent so ignorant.

ldo, they have won three world cups, have been in 5 of the last 9 finals. On top of that they were in the semi-finals four years ago and finished runner-up in the European Championships last year.

Dark horse my bollix.

~Rebel~

aye, id have to agree that Germany could never be classed as dark horse. Consistently do very well on the big stage, regardless of the expectation going into the tournement.


Winners................Brazil
Dark horse.............Serbia
Overachievers....... Uruguay
UnderAchievers......Argentina

Seillejet

Winners Germany
Dark Horse Holland
Over-achievers Italy, jammy beggars.
Under-achievers Spain even more spectacularly than usual.
Forgotten team Portugal. One word. Manager.

me-skywalker

eagle eye wrote: »

Dark horse my bollix.

~Rebel~ wrote: »

aye, id have to agree that Germany could never be classed as dark horse.

Im a big fan of Germany and Germna football. Big Schalke fan and love going to german league games and love supporting Germany but this time around I know you are all wrong. We'll agree to disagree and im not gonna go into this again.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

ldo, they have won three world cups, have been in 5 of the last 9 finals. On top of that they were in the semi-finals four years ago and finished runner-up in the European Championships last year.

Dark horse my bollix.

me-skywalker wrote: »

Im a big fan of Germany and Germna football. Big Schalke fan and love going to german league games and love supporting Germany but this time around I know you are all wrong. We'll agree to disagree and im not gonna go into this again.

Look you just got pwn'd, accept it and move on.:)

5starpool

Ninja Turtle fight ITT!!!

CCCP^

Winners Spain
Dark Horse South Africa
Over-achievers Slovakia or Serbia
Under-achievers England
Forgotten team France

me-skywalker

eagle eye wrote: »

Look you just got pwn'd, accept it and move on.:)

you havnt even got a clue what your talking about so go back into your Sky Tv and watch Andy Gray tell you what to think.

Ferris_Bueller

Seillejet wrote: »

Winners Germany
Dark Horse Holland
Over-achievers Italy, jammy beggars.
Under-achievers Spain even more spectacularly than usual.
Forgotten team Portugal. One word. Manager.

Finding it hard to argue with this, but for the sake of it

Winners Holland (or at least get to final)
Dark Horse Ivory Coast
Over-achievers Denmark
Under-achievers Brazil
Forgotten team France

Mr Alan

me-skywalker wrote: »

you havnt even got a clue what your talking about so go back into your Sky Tv and watch Andy Gray tell you what to think.

worst.putdown.ever.

chopperbyrne

Nobody should write off USA.

They could upset England and should handily beat the other two in their group.

They are a very solid unit with every player working very hard for the team.

mayordenis

Winners Argentina
Dark Horse Ivory Coast (is that tinged with racism? :pac:)
Over-achievers Australia
Under-achievers Italy
Forgotten team France

Morzadec

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Finding it hard to argue with this, but for the sake of it

Winners Holland (or at least get to final)
Dark Horse Ivory Coast
Over-achievers Denmark
Under-achievers Brazil
Forgotten team France

mayordenis wrote: »

Winners Argentina
Dark Horse Ivory Coast (is that tinged with racism? :pac:)
Over-achievers Australia
Under-achievers Italy
Forgotten team France

Interested in these predos. Mayordenis do you think the Argies can turn it around? I know they have some great players but they have been a complete joke from what I've seen lately.

And Holland, always have an abundance of talent but always seem to fail. Will RVP be fit and ready, that's a big question for me? Obviously had a great qualifying campaign but it has to be said their group was easy. Can't see them going further than the semis at best. Tough enough group for them as well, although I'm sure they'll get out of it. You can get Holland at 14/1 btw

vincenzo1975

-Winners: Portugal
-Dark Horse: Mexico
-Overachievers: France
-Underachivers: Brazil/Argentina
-Fogotten Team: USA


just made up an excel predictor sheet, you can put in the scores, and the group stages and knockout stages update automatically.

this world cup is going to be full of shocks in my opinion.

if anyone wants a copy, pm me.

shiibata

Winners Germany
Dark Horse Serbia
Over-achievers Serbia
Under-achievers Spain:eek:
Forgotten team Portugal

pipeliner

Winners brazil
Dark Horse france
Over-achievers north korea(if they dont lose by 5 goals in every game they have over achieved)
Under-achievers england
Forgotten team Slovenia[/QUOTE]

Winners Germany
Dark Horse Ghana
Over-achievers Australia
Under-achievers England
Forgotten team Portugal

Jazzy

england, germany, italy in the semi finals. the 4th will be a surprise. from the semi's its anyones game tbh. luck becomes a major factor

Diabhal Beag

Winners - Spain
Dark Horse - Germany
Over-achievers - USA
Under-achievers - Argentina
Forgotten team - France

Hope that USA can do what they did in the Confederations Cup. Hope I'm right about France being the forgotten time

Pepe LeFrits

Ivory Coast or Ghana to win it

tolosenc

Winners - Argentina
Dark Horse - Germany
Over-achievers - South Africa
Under-achievers - Spain
Forgotten team - France

m@cc@

I'm going to use the conventional definition of a dark horse if it's ok with the OP since surely the prediction of a 'dark horse to win it' would be the same as the prediction of the winner.

-Winners: Brazil
-Dark Horse: Denmark
-Overachievers: Chile
-Underachivers: France
-Forgotten Team: Italy

ADTR

Winners Brazil
Dark Horse Italy
Over-achievers Serbia
Under-achievers Holland
Forgotten team Argentina

major bill

Winners England
Dark horse ivory coast
Over achievers serbia
Under achievers France
Forgotten team Portugal

Dancor

Winners: Brazil
Dark Horse: USA
Over-achievers: OZ
Under-achievers: Portugal
Forgotten team: Italy

SlickRic

me-skywalker wrote: »

Im not saying a DARK HORSE to do well im using it as to WIN it so your pick Denmark is pretty ridiculous. Just try and understand something before you wade in with your useless negative dribble.

you need to understand what the term 'dark horse' means.

as far as i'm concerned, and i think for the vast majority of people, it's a team who you don't even watch or notice getting through the competition, but due to a good draw or good form make it far, (eg. a denmark), and end up having a chance to win it when nobody expected it. look at South Korea in 2002 for example.

germany, mate, are always noticed. strictly speaking, since their 6th/7th favourites, you may have half a case, but to ridicule someone for choosing Denmark, who are prime example of a potential dark horse, is amusing.

Winners: Spain
Dark Horses: Ivory Coast
Over-Achievers: USA
Under-Achievers: Brazil
Forgotten Team: Argentina

dannydiamond

Main Entry: dark horse
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: remote possibility
Synonyms:
also-ran, hundred-to-one shot, improbability, little chance, little opportunity, long shot, outside chance, outside shot, poor bet, poor lookout, poor possibility, poor prognosis, poor prospect, sleeper, slim chance, small chance, stalking horse, underdog, unexpected winner, unknown, unknown quantity, unlikelihood, unlikely winner, upsetter

Lol @ me-skywalker.

UnitedIrishman

Winners: Spain
Dark Horse: Serbia
Over-achievers: Ghana
Under-achievers: Argentina
Forgotten team: Japan

GO'S

Winners Argentina
Dark Horse Paraguay
Over-achievers Ghana
Under-achievers Italy
Forgotten team Algeria..Who?

me-skywalker

dannydiamond wrote: »

Lol @ me-skywalker.

live betting from paddypower.ie to win outright...

Spain 4/1
Brazil 5/1
England 11/2
Argentina 9/1
Italy 12/1
France 12/1
Germany 14/1

LOL @ dannydiamond(will give you kudos for the Flaming Lips lyric)

Germany definitley are being considered outsiders... even BEHIND France for godsake!

SlickRic

me-skywalker wrote: »

Germany definitley are being considered outsiders... even BEHIND France for godsake!

this doesn't make them dark horses.

also, you do know there are 32 teams? 6th/7th when brazil, argentina, england, spain, netherlands, italy etc al are around doesn't make them a denmark or a ghana.

plus they qualified easily.

everyone will still expect them to do very well. they always do.

Mushy

Winners - Holland
Darkhorse - Australia:eek:
Forgotten - France
Overachiement - Slovenia
Underachievment - England