Am I Irish?

cruiser178

Lirael wrote: »

it's about that not all Irish use names in Irish language .... most of ye have English names

mannion is not english,do you actully know anything about irish/english names?

Dr_Phil

Abigayle wrote: »

I don't mean to be disrespectful

No worries, you are not.

Abigayle wrote: »

I don't think so. But you seem to have an issue here that I don't understand.
I'm not being smart about this.

My issue is that I would like to know what people think. Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no hidden context.

Lirael

cruiser178 wrote: »

mannion is not english,do you actully know anything about irish/english names?

I know Mannion is not :P

I can read English names but not Irish

dynamopiev

[quote=[Deleted User];63347466]As most of this responses to this thread probably tell you, you will never be accepted as Irish if every single one of your ancestors weren't Irish. If you have a skin tone darker than pasty white, you will never be considered Irish, no matter how well you hold your drink, how much of an Irish accent you have and how Irish your last name is. I am seen as Irish to everyone but the Irish. I've gone way past caring, since I've dual nationality and the other one is much more accepting, despite me having spent much less of my life there.[/quote]

Mega agree! I am dual nationality too and although I'm prouder of being Irish, my other is far more accepting and it would be considered racist if people tried to enforce who was 'british' or 'english'.

Dr_Phil

cruiser178 wrote: »

i didnt say anything about english what are you on about?

I know you didn't, just wanted to make sure as lots of people I know who have english second names and consider themselves irish would be very disappointed.

cruiser178

Lirael wrote: »

I know Mannion is not :P

I can read English names but not Irish

wtf you on about so,i just gave my opinion on theop question

Lirael

Dr_Phil wrote: »

No worries, you are not.


My issue is that I would like to know what people think. Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no hidden context.

it is as simple as ABC

me - if I would ever be awarded Irish citizenship I would never be Irish as I wasn't born there, no matter how much would I assimilate ...

This would be my country I lived in, I would admire it, I would abide the law but this would always be only a place I live in ...

there will always be a homesickeness

Latchy

Dr_Phil wrote: »

Because it's just a piece of paper that makes your life easy sometimes.

What about "I love Ireland and it's people, I wasn't born here, but I would fight for Ireland if there was a war"? Is that person less Irish than a scumbag who holds a piece of paper called Irish passport and was born from Irish scumbag parents?

an Irish passport is an Irish passport regardless of regardless of whether it's an 'irish scumbag' holder who has it or not, simply because Ireland is his/her home of birth .Having a a non irish one is of no use to them, (unless your saying they shouldn't be allowed to travel abroad which is an entirley different issue I know )

ION08

robbie_998 wrote: »

What about it ?

your either irish or your not.

none of this having 2 passports/nationality crap, only one passport !

Ok so by this logic, "fully Irish" people that got to Australia on a 1 yr visa, decide to settle there and a few years later are awarded Australian citizenship (and still get to keep their Irish Citizenship) are not Irish at all in your book :rolleyes: . youve come out with some amount of crap in this thread

cruiser178

Dr_Phil wrote: »

I know you didn't, just wanted to make sure as lots of people I know who have english second names and consider themselves irish would be very disappointed.

awhhhhhhhhhhhh

robbie_998

ION08 wrote: »

Ok so by this logic, "fully Irish" people that got to Australia on a 1 yr visa, decide to settle there and a few years later are awarded Australian citizenship (and still get to keep their Irish Citizenship) are not Irish at all in your book :rolleyes: . youve come out with some amount of crap in this thread

if thats the case then they are irish, why should they be rewarded Citizenship just for staying there for just a year !

Lirael

robbie_998 wrote: »

if thats the case then they are irish, why should they be rewarded Citizenship just for staying there for just a year !

not 1 yr but FEW years :P

Abi

Dr_Phil wrote: »

My issue is that I would like to know what people think. Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no hidden context.

Given your previous posts about 'pieces of paper', I believe there is hidden context. Sorry to be a stickler for detail, but you've yet to deliver here. Or is it that you wish to expose that Irish people can't tell the difference?

Dr_Phil

Lirael wrote: »

it is as simple as ABC

me - if I would ever be awarded Irish citizenship I would never be Irish as I wasn't born there, no matter how much would I assimilate ...

This would be my country I lived in, I would admire it, I would abide the law but this would always be only a place I live in ...

there will always be a homesickeness

Spot on.

I think that there is no point - totally - no point in loving this country. Ah, screw it as much as you can because it's people will never let you be a part of it = so there is absolutely NO reason to care at all. And I have a funny feeling that the Irish would say "well then, don't, f*** off back to your country"

~Candy~

every person born in the island of ireland, which includes its island and seas, to be part of the irish nation. That is also the entitlement of all the persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland.futuremore, the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who shares its cultural identity and heritage

ION08

robbie_998 wrote: »

if thats the case then they are irish, why should they be rewarded Citizenship just for staying there for just a year !

Youre just contradicting yourself now, you havent got a clue

PS i said a FEW years, read the post properly

Lirael

Dr_Phil wrote: »

Spot on.

I think that there is no point - totally - no point in loving this country. Ah, screw it as much as you can because it's people will never let you be a part of it = so there is absolutely NO reason to care at all. And I have a funny feeling that the Irish would say "well then, don't, f*** off back to your country"

of course - the narrow minded

truly - I don't care ... :P

robbie_998

ION08 wrote: »

Youre just contradicting yourself now, you havent got a clue

how ?

cruiser178

just a question for everyone else responding to this thread,what are your surnames?

Dr_Phil

Abigayle wrote: »

I believe there is hidden context.

I don't wanna sound smart or anything but your beliefs are least of my concerns at the moment.

There is no hidden context, unless you're point is, that there's always a hidden context when someone decides to post?

ION08

robbie_998 wrote: »

your either irish or your not.

none of this having 2 passports/nationality crap, only one passport !

Ok so by this logic, "fully Irish" people that got to Australia on a 1 yr visa, decide to settle there and a few years later are awarded Australian citizenship (and still get to keep their Irish Citizenship) are not Irish at all in your book :rolleyes: . youve come out with some amount of crap in this thread

robbie_998 wrote: »

if thats the case then they are irish, why should they be rewarded Citizenship just for staying there for just a year !

....Thats how :rolleyes:

robbie_998

cruiser178 wrote: »

just a question for everyone else responding to this thread,what are your surnames?

nahasapeemapetilon



as if

robbie_998

ION08 wrote: »

Ok so by this logic, "fully Irish" people that got to Australia on a 1 yr visa, decide to settle there and a few years later are awarded Australian citizenship (and still get to keep their Irish Citizenship) are not Irish at all in your book :rolleyes: . youve come out with some amount of crap in this thread





....Thats how :rolleyes:

yes as in they should not really be rewarded aussie Citizenship just for staying there for a year. did i not make that clear ?

your still irish, even if you settled in aussie land, born in ireland with irish roots etc.

Latchy

cruiser178 wrote: »

just a question for everyone else responding to this thread,what are your surnames?

Bond ......James Bond :cool:

cruiser178

robbie_998 wrote: »

nahasapeemapetilon



as if

hiding behind your username much?

Abi

Dr_Phil wrote: »

I don't wanna sound smart or anything but your beliefs are least of my concerns at the moment.

There is no hidden context, unless you're point is, that there's always a hidden context when someone decides to post?

Of course there is. You've yet to make an actual point.


Get off of the fence and say what you want to say, or is this a shit-stirring thing?

robbie_998

cruiser178 wrote: »

hiding behind your username much?

you were asking for it there :P

ION08

robbie_998 wrote: »

yes as in they should not really be rewarded aussie Citizenship just for staying there for a year. did i not make that clear ?

your still irish, even if you settled in aussie land, born in ireland with irish roots etc.

NO - what you said was....


"your either irish or your not.

none of this having 2 passports/nationality crap, only one passport !"

So I completely blew your narrow minded point out of the water

And also, I told you twice you dont get OZ citizenship after just 1 year. READ the post, i said a FEW years or can you not read.

Dr_Phil

Abigayle wrote: »

is this a shit-stirring thing?

Whatever makes you happy luv

cruiser178

Latchy wrote: »

Bond ......James Bond :cool:

thats a tan name

robbie_998

ION08 wrote: »

NO - what you said was....


"your either irish or your not.

none of this having 2 passports/nationality crap, only one passport !"

So I completely blew your narrow minded point out of the water

And also, I told you twice you dont get OZ citizenship after just 1 year. READ the post, i said a FEW years or can you not read.

somebody wanna translate this crap please ?

i cant see what he's trying to say here.

basically what im trying to say is if your born in ireland with irish parents etc. then your irish, end off, i dont care how long your in aussie land for.

Iron Hide

Everyones irish after enough Paddy whiskey ffs........

cruiser178

have i missed something????

Latchy

cruiser178 wrote: »

thats a tan name

No it's just a name like any other name ie ..A N Udder Name


except maybe not an irish one

cruiser178 wrote: »

have i missed something????

That knoxy one got 27 years

Abi

Dr_Phil wrote: »

Whatever makes you happy luv

I'd be rather happy if you answered my post, it is your thread after all.

cruiser178

Latchy wrote: »

No it's just a name like any other name ie ..A N Udder Name


except maybe not an irish one

That knoxy one got 27 years

and your second name latchy is ??

Dr_Phil

Abigayle wrote: »

I'd be rather happy if you answered my post, it is your thread after all.

Alright, tell me what you wanna hear, I tell you everything just leave me alone

ION08

robbie_998 wrote: »

somebody wanna translate this crap please ?

i cant see what he's trying to say here.

basically what im trying to say is if your born in ireland with irish parents etc. then your irish, end off, i dont care how long your in aussie land for.

Oh my god man, Do you not speak English???
Or are you really that intellectually challenged. How can I spell it out for you even clearer ....


1) Your made the following point earlier:

"your either irish or your not.

none of this having 2 passports/nationality crap, only one passport !"

2) I put forward a scenario about a "fully Irish" person going to OZ, settling there and a few years later getting Oz citizenship. In which case they would have 2 citizenships ( 1 + 1 = 2) - therefore - by your logic - they wouldnt be irish any more (see your point 1. above)

3) You then said, oh no, well they would actually still be irish. --- Which is completely conflicting with your first point (point 1) and totally contradictory - highlighting that you havent got a clue what youre talking about ( and that you also cant read properly and seem a bit intelectually challanged)

Dr_Phil

cruiser178 wrote: »

and your second name latchy is ??

As a matter of curiosity: how's "cruiser" in Gealic?

robbie_998

ION08 wrote: »

Oh my god man, Do you not speak English???
Or are you really that intellectually challenged. How can I spell it out for you even clearer ....


1) Your made the following point earlier:

"your either irish or your not.

none of this having 2 passports/nationality crap, only one passport !"

2) I put forward a scenario about a "fully Irish" person going to OZ, settling there and a few years later getting Oz citizenship. In which case they would have 2 citizenships ( 1 + 1 = 2) - therefore - by your logic - they wouldnt be irish any more (see your point 1. above)

3) You then said, oh no, well they would actually still be irish. --- Which is completely conflicting with your first point (point 1) and totally contradictory - highlighting that you havent got a clue what youre talking about ( and that you also cant read properly and seem a bit intelectually challanged)

ok, but what im trying to say is just because you have OZ citizenship dont mean your not irish, you still have irish roots and were born in ireland, your irish.

if im honest being granted citizenship after a few years just because you live there is crap, dont see why that should be there in the first place !

cruiser178

Dr_Phil wrote: »

As a matter of curiosity: how's "cruiser" in Gealic?

cursoir would be it ,and should be fada over u and o.thank you

cruiser178

cruiser178 wrote: »

cursoir would be it ,and should be fada over u and o.thank you

i'll be here all night:D

Abi

Dr_Phil wrote: »

Alright, tell me what you wanna hear, I tell you everything just leave me alone

No chance, not when you haven't specified what your view is.


Lets go again. So Original Poster, what is your view.

Dr_Phil

cruiser178 wrote: »

thank you

What for?

Dr_Phil

Abigayle wrote: »

No chance, not when you haven't specified what your view is.


Lets go again. So Original Poster, what is your view.

No, no... no..No. Please tell me when I wake up this morning she turns to be a bad dream.........

ION08

Yeah so basically the point you made earlier about

"your either irish or your not. none of this having 2 passports/nationality crap, only one passport !"

Was total crap, which you admitted. Thats basically all I was trying to get at.

koHd

If you have an Irish accent I pretty much see you as Irish to be honest. As weird as that is it's true for me. And of course a person could have picked up an accent in 2 years and not officially be Irish but I'd still relate to them as Irish becuase they sound Irish. And on the other side a guy could be here 10 years and not got the accent but have citizenship but my gut reaction is they're not Irish. Makes little sense. But just an honest answer to the OP's question.

robbie_998

ION08 wrote: »

At the end of the day "IRISH" is a nationality. You you have an Irish Passport and open it up, you will see that under NATIONALITY, it says IRISH.

Which is the exact point im making,

what the hell is your problem ?

thats what i've being pretty much saying the whole time.

and i admitted noting and stand by what i said

cruiser178

Dr_Phil wrote: »

As a matter of curiosity: how's "cruiser" in Gealic?

my spelling in irish is bad but yours is worse.]quote gealic],what you trying to say here?:D

Latchy

cruiser178 wrote: »

and your second name latchy is ??

An Irish policeman ..no wait ..an english policeman wouldn't ask me that .

Not if I tell him I have the ol swine flu










I haven't