SGU 1x10 "Justice" [SPOILERS]

delta36

docdolittle wrote: »

Why would an alien ship lightyears away from anything else ancient want to fit into the stargate for...? It would only be able to go to the destiny for the moment wouldn't it? We saw one ship detatch from the main ship, so they more than likely have FTL travel themselves...

Well firstly, it's looking like the ship that came off Destiny and the one that's crashed are two different ships, possibly. Also, how long have those gates been there? Any alien race who came across them and got them to work may have just built small ships for ease of use.

Man this feels good, I missed deliberating about SGA season finales..

wyrn

Just when I thought the season was picking up and getting into the swing of it - I read here on boards.ie that it's a season break and it's not back till APRIL!!! FFS!

The opening scenes I was Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh knew something like this was going to happen. I guess cabin fever would kick in. Then the kangaroo court stepped in. Snooze-o-rama. Seriously, if I were on board a ship whiney Chloe would be the last person I'd want to defend me. I'd get OJ's or Michael Jackson's lawyer to defend me using the stones.

I like the fact that the IOA took over (never thought I'd be saying that). The military have some very unstable characters running around with guns, some of which had been locked up, the scientists are more of fixers than leaders so it was about ti,e Camille stepped up. She needed to be firmer. Everything aside she is a HR person so one of the better choices of a leader also less conflicted (than a military/scientific viewpoint). I was kind of hoping she'd banish Chloe off the ship after the kangaroo court debacle. Also she should have stood her ground with TJ, Scott, Young etc... She shouldn't have relinquished control back to Young. They need an 'independent' unbiased leader who can listen to both sides with our preformed judgements.

Eli annoys me (not as much as her whinyness Chloe) but this episode has me warming up to him slightly. Anyone else think that he not as pally-pal with Young after their last conversation. He looked VERY uncomfortable with Young's order. Makes me wonder is he knows that Rush will turn up sometime. A little insurance policy.

Rush - I love that character. Don't get me wrong, if I were trapped on a ship with him and working with him I'd be gone mad. I love the way you think you know what he's going to do and then BAM! he does the opposite. You want to like him but he is a bit of a b**terd. VERY Machiavellian of him. I like the way he does something quietly and just gets on with it until someone tries to stop him (usually Young) and then he throws a bit of a wobbler. Chloe could learn alot from Rush!

I was just wondering, why don't they learn how to read and work ancient technology as well as keeping fit?!

It wasn't annoys fault but Franklen's that he sat on the chair. He knew more than Young of potential dangers and even said that if Rush thought it was safe he'd have sat there. Man that was a skirmish scene. TJ ought to get MD training though the stones for in case of emergencies (which there seems to be alot of).

Greer is growing on me too. He was really creepy when he told Camile he'd be there. Woohoo the cook has some lines.

Overall great ending. Did not expect that. I bet when Rush comes back he won't say a word. He'll bide his time. He's probably planning his revenge.

Roll on April!

Spoiler:

Did Sgt. Riley die?

somuj

Overheal wrote: »

Thats unlikely given that thousands/millions of years later on Atlantis the Alterrans operated a fleet of Puddle Jumpers, not Self-Shrinking Battleships.

We do have a reference: the Antarctic Chair, Atlantis, Puddle Jumpers, Repositories, the Window of Opportunity device, Stargates (Esp. Pegasus gates), The weapon @ Dakarra, and Aurora class Battleships. Any of these would be immensely more advanced than anything on Destiny.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_technology

I'd say he was refereing to the alien ship

Self-Shrinking Battleships would be awesome tho

delta36

Personally, I think it's better that the military is in charge as opposed to some civvy from the IOA.

If nothing else, the military would be trained for being in tough situations and be better able to handle being on the ship and hence help everyone else along.

Also, who here thinks Eli really is going to delete that footage off his hard drive?

docdolittle

delta36 wrote: »

Personally, I think it's better that the military is in charge as opposed to some civvy from the IOA.

If nothing else, the military would be trained for being in tough situations and be better able to handle being on the ship and hence help everyone else along.

Also, who here thinks Eli really is going to delete that footage off his hard drive?

Even if he does delete it, he knows Rush planted the gun so he'll prob have his doubts about Young from now on about what happened on the planet... We still have to wait and see what happens between telford and and Young, so he's prob gonna get screwed over near the end of season 1 :rolleyes:

conchubhar1

rush being left behind is great

they are not going to leave him out of the show - but the **** deserved it

GSPfan

Hands up who is sick of the IOA taking over command of Stargate operations storylines..... (puts his own hand up)

I just think its been done to death. *remembers the south parks version of 24 episode*

I just hope thats not gonna play a part in every episode from now on.

And the guy who asked if the ship would fit in the gate had a point. Why would'nt it fit in the gate? My car could fit in the gate but it wasn't designed for it. Bit early in the day to be knocking back that suggestion. We haven't got any real idea if its the ships face or arse sticking out of the sand.

Overheal

GSPfan wrote: »

Hands up who is sick of the IOA taking over command of Stargate operations storylines..... (puts his own hand up)

I just think its been done to death. *remembers the south parks version of 24 episode*

I just hope thats not gonna play a part in every episode from now on.

And the guy who asked if the ship would fit in the gate had a point. Why would'nt it fit in the gate? My car could fit in the gate but it wasn't designed for it. Bit early in the day to be knocking back that suggestion. We haven't got any real idea if its the ships face or arse sticking out of the sand.

It appears to be much larger than a puddle jumper anyway, and henceforth I dont think it will fit through a standard gate. Or for that matter through a Tollan gate or a Toaster gate.

GSPfan

Ha. I hadn't a clue what the fook you were on about with a Toaster Gate! Forgot all about that.

You know I was thinking something. If your man wakes up with some knowledge of how to get control of Destiny you may see it turn around and go get Rush. And for that matter they will be heading back in the direction of its previous travels so there should be some storylines with that.

stop

Did anyone find the score in this episode similar to that in the film Moon starring Sam Rockwell?

Overheal

stop wrote: »

Did anyone find the score in this episode similar to that in the film Moon starring Sam Rockwell?

Honestly im not sure i noticed any music in this episode, which is probably why i felt it dragged.

The_Bullman

helimachoptor wrote: »

Does anyone think it looks like a Runabout from ST?

I thought it looked more like the raven from voyager

delta36

I had completely forgotten about yer man who sat in the chair. That's a complete wild card.

I'd also like to see what happened to those few people who stepped through the gate on the desert planet to the different world.

funi1234

there will be blood if thats the end of Rush i can honestly say i think he is the best out of them all.

funi1234

The_Bullman wrote: »

I thought it looked more like the raven from voyager

Are ye both mad...?? it looks nothing like either... i mean it shares nothing with the runabout and as for the raven the only thing they have in common is that they have both crashed. at least this ship looks intact... even seven knew the raven was a heap of scrap metal

Overheal

funi1234 wrote: »

there will be blood if thats the end of Rush i can honestly say i think he is the best out of them all.

Theyve left the man lying next to a spaceship that he's barely been able to investigate, hasnt even been able to open, and you think he's done for? not a chance.

wyrn

Overheal wrote: »

Theyve left the man lying next to a spaceship that he's barely been able to investigate, hasnt even been able to open, and you think he's done for? not a chance.

well it's quite obvious isn't it. Rush is going to magically figure out how to open/fix/start the ship (a la Rodney McKay) and then he's going to upgrade the engine with some papers clips (a la MacGyver/ A-Team) and then for the utterly brilliant piece of genius, rush will call upon Superman methods and fly the ship around the planet, really fast, thus turning back time and extracting revenge on Young before he can go through the Star Gate!! Maybe even beefing up so as to give Young a decent right hook!

Or he'll find a Star Gate and dial back using the limited power from the ship in a last ditch attempt to get back.

Sherifu

Stargate Universe: "SGU" ratings sink to series low 1.34 million for fall finale

delta36

wyrn wrote: »

well it's quite obvious isn't it. Rush is going to magically figure out how to open/fix/start the ship (a la Rodney McKay) and then he's going to upgrade the engine with some papers clips (a la MacGyver/ A-Team) and then for the utterly brilliant piece of genius, rush will call upon Superman methods and fly the ship around the planet, really fast, thus turning back time and extracting revenge on Young before he can go through the Star Gate!! Maybe even beefing up so as to give Young a decent right hook!

Or he'll find a Star Gate and dial back using the limited power from the ship in a last ditch attempt to get back.

I dunno. I mean sure, that's what I'd expect from SG1 or SGA, but so far there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of "last minute realisation" in SGU, which in itself I think is fantastic.

funi1234

Overheal wrote: »

Theyve left the man lying next to a spaceship that he's barely been able to investigate, hasnt even been able to open, and you think he's done for? not a chance.

well that is obvious they cant very well kill off one of the main people in such a short time. i was able to predicet exactly the sequene of events in "Light" i think i watch to much sci-fi for my own good haha

Overheal

Sherifu wrote: »

Stargate Universe: "SGU" ratings sink to series low 1.34 million for fall finale

Wait for the live+7 figures.

TonyD79

If the whole crew knew about Rush planting the gun then it would be hard for him to go back but seen that Young covered it up you dont need to read the spoilers to know he will be back soon enough. Hopefully the second half of the season sees more action. Season finale -Rush leaving Young behind on some planet??

Stabshauptmann

Only watched it today, thats how my interest in this show had dwindled. But wow, what an episode.

Love to chat about it, but since too many assholes delight in dropping future ep spoilers into threads without warning - which took a lot away from this episode I wont risk it

Roomic Cube

Overheal wrote: »

Thats unlikely given that thousands/millions of years later on Atlantis the Alterrans operated a fleet of Puddle Jumpers, not Self-Shrinking Battleships.

We do have a reference: the Antarctic Chair, Atlantis, Puddle Jumpers, Repositories, the Window of Opportunity device, Stargates (Esp. Pegasus gates), The weapon @ Dakarra, and Aurora class Battleships. Any of these would be immensely more advanced than anything on Destiny.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_technology

somuj wrote: »

I'd say he was refereing to the alien ship

Self-Shrinking Battleships would be awesome tho

I was indeed referring to the alien ship, not destiny, i was saying the alien ship could potentially do anything as thus far we have no concept of that races technology.

Self shrinking battle ships /want

The_Minister

Question.


Why didn't they hold the gate open for Rush by sticking their hand in it?
Only two of them knew he wasn't coming.

Conor108

That probably only works for a few seconds (You could hear the engines being stressed last time and the shaking) and they had no idea where Young & Rush were. If the gate shut down prematurely, they'd lose their arm.

The_Minister

Conor108 wrote: »

That probably only works for a few seconds (You could hear the engines being stressed last time and the shaking) and they had no idea where Young & Rush were. If the gate shut down prematurely, they'd lose their arm.

They could have stuck something else in for a few seconds.

Just seems odd that they didn't even try.

delta36

Considering the gate shut down the second Young stepped through.. they probably didnt have time and they were told he was trapped in a rock slide, possibly buried.
Also, again, no idea if it'd work.

Volvagia

I thought it was decent. A good episode, but maybe not the best possible finale before April.

Liked the start of the ep, when we first saw Spencer with an empty bottle of pills i thought he'd go on a rampage and kill others, never thought he'd top himself.

Middle was poor, the court was a joke. The two prosecutors asking ridiculous question after ridiculous question. That scene didn't work for me at all, especially the recess and the argument between the two of them. Stupid.

The ending though was really good though. Rush, as ever looking out for number 1. He wants to research the chair and is more than happy to manipulate anyone to achieve this.

I'm interested in this new possible alien tech and to know what happened to head drill man.

As a few have mentioned the ending could have given us a bit more of a taste of things to come with some mumbled phrase from head drill man or some more from the crashed ship.

Oh well guess it'll be back eventually and we can see how the rest of the season takes shape.

somuj

The_Minister wrote: »

Question.


Why didn't they hold the gate open for Rush by sticking their hand in it?
Only two of them knew he wasn't coming.

Wouldndt have worked. The wormhole was incomming on the ship. One would have had to keep their hand in place on the planet

Funglegunk

Surprised at the amount of 'Fan-friggin-tastic' votes this episode got. I found the whole power struggle between Ming-Na's character (can't remember her name) and Young a bit stale, especially that ridiculous court scene. Was that entire sub-plot just to set up the confrontation between Rush and Young at the end, with Young leaving Rush behind? She rescinded her newfound power so easily towards the end, surely she would have struggled to keep that somehow?

GSPfan

You ask - Was that entire sub-plot just to set up the confrontation between Rush and Young at the end?

Eh yeah. Why not. I'm sure it'll add to the whole feeling of desperation on board the ship but it served its purpose in this episode.

And the power struggle...... Not really a power struggle when you think of it. He gave up his position to her and ordered all his air force buddies to accept it (against their wishes). When he was cleared he took it back. She could do fook all to prevent it. Hence the "I wasn't asking" line when he said he was going to the planet.

Overheal

somuj wrote: »

Wouldndt have worked. The wormhole was incomming on the ship. One would have had to keep their hand in place on the planet

FALSE.

O'Niell held an incoming wormhole open from the recipient side when he busted the Off-world TRUST operation (season 6, Shades of Grey)

GSPfan

Yeah that O'Neill thing popped into my head when that was suggested.
I think we're just gonna have to believe that Young got tru at the last second and when he said Rush was gone then why would they immediately ignore him and dial back..
Also.... what could they do, Dial the planet go look for Rush and then what? Assuming they didn't jump into FTL as soon as Young got tru and they had time to dial the planet back. Then they would go look for Rush and then get stuck on the planet. The second the gate shut down the ship would jump away.

Turtwig

Overheal wrote: »

FALSE.

O'Niell held an incoming wormhole open from the recipient side when he busted the Off-world TRUST operation (season 6, Shades of Grey)

False,

O Neill
Came through from the Offworld site but never fully exited the stargate's puddle.:p
The only person in such a position to perform the same feat again was Col Young.

jor el

Overheal wrote: »

FALSE.

O'Niell held an incoming wormhole open from the recipient side when he busted the Off-world TRUST operation (season 6, Shades of Grey)

So when Eli held the gate open on the desert planet, why did it have to be him? Why couldn't someone on the ship have done it, if it worked from that side? This implies that it wouldn't work.

Overheal

jor el wrote: »

So when Eli held the gate open on the desert planet, why did it have to be him? Why couldn't someone on the ship have done it, if it worked from that side? This implies that it wouldn't work.

It has to be someone In Transit. O'Niell never allowed himself to fully disembark from the puddle. And Eli just began to enter the puddle. We know that trying to stick your hand into an incoming wormhole - well its a bad idea.

Theres of course a couple inconsistencies with this, like when they lobotomized Kawalsky in the 2nd episode. But in any of these mentioned occasions, the gate lost power (like when a fleeing Jaffa had his Staff weapon burnt off, the gate was already deactivating when he began running through). That wasnt the case in Universe (though its still unclear exactly How the gates are powered) How its powered is irrelevant though. Eli could have kept the wormhole open until either the gate lost power or 28 minutes had passed. Destiny had no say in what happens to an incoming wormhole.

don ramo

GSPfan wrote: »

You ask - Was that entire sub-plot just to set up the confrontation between Rush and Young at the end?

Eh yeah. Why not. I'm sure it'll add to the whole feeling of desperation on board the ship but it served its purpose in this episode.

And the power struggle...... Not really a power struggle when you think of it. He gave up his position to her and ordered all his air force buddies to accept it (against their wishes). When he was cleared he took it back. She could do fook all to prevent it. Hence the "I wasn't asking" line when he said he was going to the planet.

the power struggle was done cause at the start young was accused of killing nut job, and had to relinquish command because of it, it was proven that nut job capped himself and young was cleared and command restored to him, and within 20 mins of being given back comand he left rush on an alien plaent to die,

we all know rush wont die, but still young may as well have killed him,

+1 for that court scene, wray was just retarded, giving out to the chloe for asking her own questions, which she is entirely allowed to do, FFS like, what prosecuter in there right mins would ask the defence solicitor not to defend there client, honestly that writer should be fired, it was totally moronic, probably the dumbest moment in the 16 seasons of stargate,

Anakin.S

Robert Carlyle has an episode credit for all 20 episodes of the first season on imdb.com so he will be back. I'm hoping there is a few episodes of him working on the alien ship to get it working then making it back to Destiny. Destiny does whats best for the ship so I could also see Destiny going back for Rush because it needs him

Kiith

don ramo wrote: »

probably the dumbest moment in the 16 seasons of stargate,

No, the dumbest moment was when they decided Universe needed 4 month mid-season break.