Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

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Probably needs 2 more at least to stay there given the players around him have only played a few holes. Top 10 would be a great result after yesterday

Mantis Toboggan

Nice move but looks like too little too late still could sneak a top 10.

dublin49

39 foot birdie on 17th for 11 under,good going today although only birdied one of 3 par 5s

Holed some beauties today did Lowry including at the difficult par 3 14th also. He has been striking it beautifully in recent times and now he is finally he is starting to get a good feel on the greens which is huge.

With a top 10 at the players and another strong finish here in harbour town, the pride of Offaly can certainly look ahead to a very productive summer and please God that he can achieve his main goal and make that Europe Ryder cup team in whistling straits come September time.

Two weeks off before he gets going again in Quail Hollow for the Wells Fargo championship. Really feel that a win is around the corner for Shane. Exciting times ahead for sure.

dublin49

yeah 2 really good days .one poor day.Its Cinks week anyway.But top tens are good.Strange to take 2 weeks off when starting to put it together ,but what do I know.

TheRiverman

Great finish today, good to see some consistency returning to his game.

gypsy79

TheRiverman wrote: »

Great finish today, good to see some consistency returning to his game.

Far from consistent....that is why he wasnt in contention

Btw when does it go to 1.5 X for Ryder Cup points, or has it already??

vapor trails

I'd love to know what the average scoring is for Irish players on Saturday. I feel like between himself and McIlroy they just don't play well on Saturdays

paulos53

gypsy79 wrote: »

Far from consistent....that is why he wasnt in contention

Btw when does it go to 1.5 X for Ryder Cup points, or has it already??

It has been 1.5 since the start of the year and lasts for another 3 weeks. Then it is double points

dublin49

dublin49 wrote: »

yeah 2 really good days .one poor day.Its Cinks week anyway.But top tens are good.Strange to take 2 weeks off when starting to put it together ,but what do I know.

He's played 7 out of the last 8 weeks so no harm to recharge the batteries I suppose.

boardise

He carded 20 birdies which is tied second at this stage.
One feature I had noticed myself from watching shot tracker is that his bunker play needs to be sharpened up ... he got up and down only once from 5 attempts - tied 120th If he can work on this and keep the putting sweet he can look forward to many more high finishes through the summer.

gypsy79

paulos53 wrote: »

It has been 1.5 since the start of the year and lasts for another 3 weeks. Then it is double points

Ah that is what I meant. I knew there was three levels and thought it was x0.5, x1 and x1.5

Its still hard to see him getting a pick ahead of MACINTYRE, Sergio GARCIA, Danny WILLETT (maybe), Justin ROSE or Bernd WIESBERGER

The Big Easy

Another positive week for Shane, he's definitely trending in the right direction.

A couple of weeks off is no harm, with all the big events to come. With double points in the USPGA and US Open coming up, he mightn't be worrying about the Ryder Cup for too much longer.

gypsy79

gypsy79 wrote: »

Ah that is what I meant. I knew there was three levels and thought it was x0.5, x1 and x1.5

Its still hard to see him getting a pick ahead of MACINTYRE, Sergio GARCIA, Danny WILLETT (maybe), Justin ROSE or Bernd WIESBERGER

He is absolutely ahead of MacIntyre, Willett and Wiesberger for a pick as things currently stand based on what they have experience wise, what they have won recently and current form.

As in if you combine all 3 he is ahead of them combined.

gypsy79

Exactly wrote: »

He is absolutely ahead of MacIntyre, Willett and Wiesberger for a pick as things currently stand based on what they have experience wise, what they have won recently and current form.

As in if you combine all 3 he is ahead of them combined.

Some pro Irish bias there. On merit all 3 of those have more points that him

I would have Wiesberger well ahead of him. MacIntyre just ahead of him in what is race for last spot as it stands

Dayor Knight

gypsy79 wrote: »

Some pro Irish bias there. On merit all 3 of those have more points that him

I would have Wiesberger well ahead of him. MacIntyre just ahead of him in what is race for last spot as it stands

Have they won a major by any chance? You must be joking.

gypsy79

Dayor Knight wrote: »

Have they won a major by any chance? You must be joking.

Are you serious? They have all earned more points than him in the qualifying

And yes Willett, the one I rank him ahead of has won a Masters for what it is worth

The way he is playing at the minute 50% of his rounds would be automatic losses. And I wouldnt want to be paired with him in foursomes. He would be a decent fourball player to have. But he is currently a liability in 2 or the 3 formats

The Big Easy

gypsy79 wrote: »

Some pro Irish bias there. On merit all 3 of those have more points that him

I would have Wiesberger well ahead of him. MacIntyre just ahead of him in what is race for last spot as it stands

It sometimes comes across that you have an anti-Irish bias.

The Ryder Cup team is not picked today nor for another 4 months with countless big tournaments ahead.

Shane is a better big tournament player than those guys, which he has proven once again recently, and will again over the summer.

There's not a snowballs chance Padraig picks Bernd over Shane if they're anywhere close to each other on the list.

Bubbaclaus

Shane has had 0 top 5s and just 3 top 10s since his Open win nearly 2 years ago. If that standard can get on the European Ryder Cup team then I am worried that a battering will be coming.

gypsy79

The Big Easy wrote: »

It sometimes comes across that you have an anti-Irish bias.

The Ryder Cup team is not picked today nor for another 4 months with countless big tournaments ahead.

Shane is a better big tournament player than those guys, which he has proven once again recently, and will again over the summer.

There's not a snowballs chance Padraic picks Bernt over Shane if they're anywhere close to each other on the list.

What I am trying to do is remove bias from my opinion. Most people struggle to do that

The Big Easy

gypsy79 wrote: »

What I am trying to do is remove bias from my opinion. Most people struggle to do that

Fair enough, but you might try too hard sometimes

gypsy79

His form before his last couple of outings would be an absolute nightmare in foursomes

Half the time in singles he wouldnt even make it to 14.

Very hard to pick someone to play fourballs.

MacIntyre is definitely ahead of him atm. Garcia and Rose would be locks as it stands

Long way to go mind you and I feel it could go either way. I feel like it wont be close come the time the decision needs to be made (I dont know which way). But last couple weeks are positive

gypsy79

gypsy79 wrote: »

His form before his last couple of outings would be an absolute nightmare in foursomes

Half the time in singles he wouldnt even make it to 14.

Very hard to pick someone to play fourballs.

MacIntyre is definitely ahead of him atm. Garcia and Rose would be locks as it stands

Long way to go mind you and I feel it could go either way. I feel like it wont be close come the time the decision needs to be made (I dont know which way). But last couple weeks are positive

Rose has had one good round in the last however long but don't let that cloud your argument.

MacIntyre had won a make up tournament in Cyprus and that is it so far.

Garcia would obviously be ahead given his experience and points record.

gypsy79

Exactly wrote: »

Rose has had one good round in the last however long but don't let that cloud your argument.

MacIntyre had won a make up tournament in Cyprus and that is it so far.

Garcia would obviously be ahead given his experience and points record.

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Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Shane has had 0 top 5s and just 3 top 10s since his Open win nearly 2 years ago. If that standard can get on the European Ryder Cup team then I am worried that a battering will be coming.

Rose has 5 Ryder Cups and they are all ahead of him in EARNED points

As I said I dont think it will be close as Shane doesnt do things by halves. He will either have an awesome summer or an absolutely brutal one

seanl77

The chance is there now for Shane, so many big tournaments coming up before qualifying ends. One massive week could be enough to get him over the line automatically, I hope he does because there will be serious competition for the wildcard spots. I expect Rose, Hovland, Sergio, Wallace, Mcintyre, Willett, weisberger and possibly even molinari to all be in the mix. Tough picking 3 out of that

Up to 13th in the World Points List. Has overtaken Rose & Wiesberger. Expect lots of chopping and changing though as points ramp up from May.

Although taking 2 weeks off there are no OWGR points for this weeks tournament as it is a team event so won't be losing any ground there.

gypsy79

Just also realised how far back Poulter is.....

108 points isnt a whole lot given how many points on offer in coming weeks..

finglashoop

gypsy79 wrote: »

Just also realised how far back Poulter is.....

108 points isnt a whole lot given how many points on offer in coming weeks..

has to be on team for me regardless of form/points.

he brings something to it that no other player does. its like his major where he'll raise his game for that week. like a derby in football. position in table goes out the window

abff

finglashoop wrote: »

has to be on team for me regardless of form/points.

he brings something to it that no other player does. its like his major where he'll raise his game for that week. like a derby in football. position in table goes out the window

I agree that Poulter should get a pick even if he’s a few places below automatic qualification. But he has to be playing at some sort of reasonable level.

If he is going through a really bad spell, then bring him in as a vice captain, like Montgomery did with Sergio in 2010.

MarcusP12

One thing for sure in all this discussion around Shane getting a pick is that he damn sure better make sure he qualifies automatically....with the likes of Poulter, Stenson and Garcia looking like needing picks and possibly Paddy not wanting to be seen to be picking a mate in Shane, its tough to see how he can get picked as a wild card....

One thing that might be in his favour over another possible rookie in Bob McI is that Shane has plenty of experience playing in the states and wouldnt be as intimidated coming up against those guys as he knows them all very well and has gone toe to toe with plenty of them down the years....Bob has played well in his debut few PGA tournaments but maybe a bit soon for him? I suspect he'll be a great addition in the future but if form is similar and both need a pick, i'd go Shane every day.....he hasn't won that many tournament but they've all been big tournaments....

abff

MarcusP12 wrote: »

One thing for sure in all this discussion around Shane getting a pick is that he damn sure better make sure he qualifies automatically....with the likes of Poulter, Stenson and Garcia looking like needing picks and possibly Paddy not wanting to be seen to be picking a mate in Shane, its tough to see how he can get picked as a wild card....

One thing that might be in his favour over another possible rookie in Bob McI is that Shane has plenty of experience playing in the states and wouldnt be as intimidated coming up against those guys as he knows them all very well and has gone toe to toe with plenty of them down the years....Bob has played well in his debut few PGA tournaments but maybe a bit soon for him? I suspect he'll be a great addition in the future but if form is similar and both need a pick, i'd go Shane every day.....he hasn't won that many tournament but they've all been big tournaments....

I agree that Shane’s chances of getting a wild card will depend on who else is in the frame. If he’s up against Poulter, Garcia or Stenson (or Molinari, if he’s anywhere close to automatic qualification) then he has no chance.

In order to make the team, he either has to qualify automatically or else hope that all of the above players either make automatic qualification or are so out of form that that can’t be considered. And even then, he would have to be pretty close to having qualified automatically to even be considered.

eagle eye

gypsy79 wrote:

Its still hard to see him getting a pick ahead of MACINTYRE, Sergio GARCIA, Danny WILLETT (maybe), Justin ROSE or Bernd WIESBERGER

Not that I give a toss about the Ryder but Wiesberger is completely out of firm.
Since his tied 6th in Dubai he hasn't finished higher than 30th in any tournament and that includes two missed cuts and most towards the end of the field who made the cut. Shane is ranked higher and has shown better form than him even if it hasn't been great.

PARlance

abff wrote: »

I agree that Shane’s chances of getting a wild card will depend on who else is in the frame. If he’s up against Poulter, Garcia or Stenson (or Molinari, if he’s anywhere close to automatic qualification) then he has no chance.

In order to make the team, he either has to qualify automatically or else hope that all of the above players either make automatic qualification or are so out of form that that can’t be considered. And even then, he would have to be pretty close to having qualified automatically to even be considered.

I know this isn't an easy question to answer (it's impossible I know) but what kind of form would Shane require to make an automatic pick?

For e.g Would a decent win almost guarantee it or would consistently good T20's with some high finishes get him there.

Just trying to get some sort of grasp for the task at hand.

gypsy79

PARlance wrote: »

I know this isn't an easy question to answer (it's impossible I know) but what kind of form would Shane require to make an automatic pick?

For e.g Would a decent win almost guarantee it or would consistently good T20's with some high finishes get him there.

Just trying to get some sort of grasp for the task at hand.

A decent win probably wouldnt be enough. He is currently about 70 points behind 9th place. There is a big enough gap (about 65 points) to 9th

https://www.rydercup.com/rankings#world-points

A good win would need to be followed up with some top 10s as others will be getting points too

Now a major win would get him in straight away

Good performance in majors will be key as could lose lots points with double points

One could easily argue that it is a straight shoot out between him and MacIntyre for rookie pick

Miley Byrne

PARlance wrote: »

I know this isn't an easy question to answer (it's impossible I know) but what kind of form would Shane require to make an automatic pick?

For e.g Would a decent win almost guarantee it or would consistently good T20's with some high finishes get him there.

Just trying to get some sort of grasp for the task at hand.

The timing of any win would be crucial. Just say he had a quiet summer and came into form in late August and won the BMW then he'd be in a much stronger position than if he won the USPGA in May and didn't show much form thereafter.

gypsy79

Miley Byrne wrote: »

The timing of any win would be crucial. Just say he had a quiet summer and came into form in late August and won the BMW then he'd be in a much stronger position than if he won the USPGA in May and didn't show much form thereafter.

If he won the US PGA he would be in on points is my guess and his form wouldnt matter and the team would just have to deal with him stinking joint out

techdiver

Yeah, I'm assuming winning a major would pretty much guarantee you a pick. Even if he didn't make it on points, Harrington would have enough cover to pick him considering he had just won a major (his second).

The Big Easy

PARlance wrote: »

I know this isn't an easy question to answer (it's impossible I know) but what kind of form would Shane require to make an automatic pick?

For e.g Would a decent win almost guarantee it or would consistently good T20's with some high finishes get him there.

Just trying to get some sort of grasp for the task at hand.

If he's in the three positions just outside qualifying (which he is currently four outside), Harrington will pick him, obviously I can't be 100% sure of this, but I'd be very surprised if he didn't.

His current form as it is continued over the summer, top 10s here and there would be enough imo

He doesn't need a win to be picked, but a win puts him over the top for sure and probably qualifies him automatically anyway.


Harrington wants to pick him and will, given any opportunity that doesn't compromise him as a captain. If Shane is on the bubble no one can really say anything about him being a pick.

Anyway he's looking good for a win or a major top 5 coming up and that is probably going to be enough to qualify automatically.

Edit: For instance if Padraig was picking the team today, I believe he would pick Sergio, Shane and JR with the way the rankings currently are.

gypsy79

I just got a warning for saying

"If he won the US PGA he would be in on points is my guess and his form wouldnt matter and the team would just have to deal with him stinking joint out"

in answer to what would happen if Shane won US PGA and then had a drop in form

Can anybody explain how that is "uncivil"?

Some moderators here are loons

dublin49

gypsy79 wrote: »

I just got a warning for saying

"If he won the US PGA he would be in on points is my guess and his form wouldnt matter and the team would just have to deal with him stinking joint out"

in answer to what would happen if Shane won US PGA and then had a drop in form

Can anybody explain how that is "uncivil"?

Some moderators here are loons

Well guess it relates to Term relating to smell,

gypsy79

dublin49 wrote: »

Well guess it relates to Term relating to smell,

Do you or anyone else think it is uncivil??

First Up

gypsy79 wrote: »

Do you or anyone else think it is uncivil??

Depends on what you mean by "stinking joint out".

dublin49

gypsy79 wrote: »

Do you or anyone else think it is uncivil??

Didnt strike me as out of order, bit overly descriptive perhaps

DuckSlice

gypsy79 wrote: »

Do you or anyone else think it is uncivil??

Shane is secretly a mod here.

abff

gypsy79 wrote: »

Do you or anyone else think it is uncivil??

I certainly thought it was more than a bit off and totally uncalled for.

Keano

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MarcusP12

Notwithstanding the appropriateness of how it was phrased, i wouldn't have any concerns with Shane "not performing" whether he makes it automatically or was a captains pics. Ok his form wasn't great in the last year or so but there are definite signs that he's trending in the right direction.

There are plenty of examples of european's who have come into the team who are not superstars but who peaked at the right time and who shone in the ryder cup. Shane, is a major winner and had played an awful lot on the PGA tour, has won big tournaments and been in the mix plenty of times in regular, WGC and majors......I would say that if he isn't showing any kind of form, he won't get picked anyway so if he is there, its very likely that he's playing well anyway and if he's playing well he's a match for anyone in a ryder cup scenario.....

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Shane to sponsor Offaly https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0429/1212834-offaly-gaa-set-to-expand-as-shane-lowry-becomes-sponsor/

willabur

bit blown out of proportion this announcement.
By the sounds of it he is not putting his hand in his pocket, more helping them out by dedicating some of his own time and expertise in relation to high performance environments

Its great to see but Feels a long way short of sponsorship