Darron Gibson - "the new Scholes"?

darkman2

A few months back I would have agreed with Dunphy that he would hardly have a future in the Ireland squad never mind at Man U. But now, with game time, he seems to be really getting a firmer grip on that midfield role and what a shot he has too. During the France game he had one long range effort that I think may have ended up outside the Stade and I was thinking "jesus - yet another muppet" - I can actually see now why you would let him have a shoot on sight instruction:eek:

Having said that do you reckon Fergie is just talking him up to sell him for a good price - or - is he going to be a great midfielder for Man U?

ntlbell

lawl

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Headshot

lol

redout

darkman2 wrote: »

A few months back I would have agreed with Dunphy that he would hardly have a future in the Ireland squad never mind at Man U. But now, with game time, he seems to be really getting a firmer grip on that midfield role and what a shot he has too. During the France game he had one long range effort that I think may have ended up outside the Stade and I was thinking "jesus - yet another muppet" - I can actually see now why you would let him have a shoot on sight instruction:eek:

Having said that do you reckon Fergie is just talking him up to sell him for a good price - or - is he going to be a great midfielder for Man U?

Darron Gibson - "the new Scholes"?

No

Mitch Connor

No.

On match of the day highlights, maybe. He has a great shot on him.

However, when you watch him play you see his passing ability and technique.

He is not a new scholes. Not even close.

EDIT:

However, I do think he can have a future at United, if he takes a different midfield legend as his mentor. Fletcher.

If he shows a similar level of commitment to improving his game, he could become a very handy squad player at United. his shooting ability is the type of thing that would be very welcome when drawing 0-0 against a 'park-the-bus' side at OT, for instance.

Headshot

being honest I changed my thoughts on him some what

before I didnt even want him near the bench but now he's not a bad addition to the sub bench
I prefer not to see him starting thou

RasTa

Nah he is the new Messi, Torres and Ronaldo all rolled into one.

But in all seriousness, no. I might have him ahead of Carrick for now.

Mitch Connor

RasTa wrote: »

Nah he is the new Messi, Torres and Ronaldo all rolled into one.

But in all seriousness, no. I might have him ahead of Carrick for now.

good science no.

Carrick was poor at the start of the season but he has been fine for the last month or so. I would certainly been more comfortable with him in midfield than Gibson

DM_7

Gibson had potential outside his goals. He has an eye for a pass too.

He could become a very good deep lying Midfielder if he gets enough game time.

Fletcher is a good example for Gibson to follow. Find the things United need a player for, work hard and adapt to the role.

The_Kew_Tour

He not world class but there been far worse players played for united or for any of the top four clubs at moment

there are goals in the lad

flahavaj

All he has is a good shot on him. Watched the full 90 vs West Ham and he was p*ss poor aside from the goal. Game pretty much passed him by as it always seems to. Poor man's Carrick and this from someone who doesn't really rate Carrick.

CHD

He scores a few goals so now he is destined to be great? When he got the brace midweek his passing was terrible. He's nothing special.

Son Of A Vidic

I think filling Paul Scholes boots might be a little bit on the premature side.

greendom

medicman2009 wrote: »

I think filling Paul Scholes boots might be a little bit on the premature side.

Quite - no one could ever be as bad at tackling as Scholesy

PHB

I don't know what he's going to be in the future, but at the moment, he's earning his place in the United team, which is impressive enough.

magma69

Most ridiculous thread I've seen in a while to be honest. Gibson scores a nice goal and all of a sudden he is Scholes :rolleyes:. Let's see him keep possession of the ball and make assists on a regular basis before we can even begin to compare them. He would have to improve ten fold to be anywhere near the level Scholes was in his prime and to be honest if he hasn't shown that natural ability by now he never will. You are born with that instinct of knowing when to slice open the defence with a through ball. Fabregas has it, Gerrard has it as does Lampard and Scholes sure as he has it. Gibson does not. I'm sure he will improve but he hasn't shown himself to be anywhere near the level of Scholes.

redout

I cant believe this thing has actually made it to a second page :pac:

CHD

redout wrote: »

I cant believe this thing has actually made it to a second page :pac:

I can't beleive you use less than 40 posts per a page.

dRNk SAnTA

Yeah seriously, Scholes' ball control is 10 times better than gibson's.

It's a sign of how pathetic match of the day's football analysis is, in their entire gibson vs scholes segment they didn't once look at gibson's actual midfield ability - only how good his shooting is. You don't even need a good shot on you to make it as a top level midfielder.

Jax Teller

No way , scholes was one of the best at his peak

CCCP^

He's got a long way to go before he can step in Scholes boots, but in fairness, would you have said at the time Scholes was starting out, was he the new Robson? No, absolutely not. It's way too early to call right now, but as PHB said, he is getting a place in the United side so Ferguson must see something in him and he is the best manager in professional football today.

Dave!

New f*cking thread for this?

LeeroyJones

I cannot agree with anyone who has already made their judgement on Darron Gibson, whether people think he's the next Scholes or a flop!

Yesterday was his second premiership start and he's scored a goal in each of them. You cannot judge someone on 2 starts, or what I think is 6 premiership appearances in total!
The only conclusion I'll draw on him is that he can strike a ball bloody well! Whether or not he can adjust to the Premiership standard is another issue which is impossible to say now.
If we were to go by first impressions: Fletcher and Valencia would be playing at a mid-table team, now look at them. Similarly, Nani would be linked with Real and Barca for 50million+!

Xavi6

More like the new Glenn Whelan

CHD

Xavi6 wrote: »

More like the new Glenn Whelan

Ding Ding Ding

Liam O

I love it when people write of young players at United. Same happened (myself included) with Fletcher and look where the doubters ended up. Gibson can pass very well and he has showed glimpses of it but isn't on the same wavelength as the rest of the team yet. He has been demanding the ball in the games that he's played and shows great determination to improve. Wont come close to Scholes but will still be a very good player imo. When he gains an understanding with the players around him he'll improve greatly. Looking at some of Anderson's recent (shocking) performances I think Gibson has about as much (if not more) potential as him but because Anderson was born in Brazil he's going to be great and because Gibson is from Ireland he's crap. He's way more than just a good shot anyway!

GLaDOS

I don't particularly rate him myself, but Ferguson obviosuly sees something in him, and that means there must be some talent there

Xavi6

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I don't particularly rate him myself, but Ferguson obviosuly sees something in him, and that means there must be some talent there

Indeed, just like that William Prunier fella

CHD

Liam O wrote: »

I love it when people write of young players at United. Same happened (myself included) with Fletcher and look where the doubters ended up. Gibson can pass very well and he has showed glimpses of it but isn't on the same wavelength as the rest of the team yet. He has been demanding the ball in the games that he's played and shows great determination to improve. Wont come close to Scholes but will still be a very good player imo. When he gains an understanding with the players around him he'll improve greatly. Looking at some of Anderson's recent (shocking) performances I think Gibson has about as much (if not more) potential as him but because Anderson was born in Brazil he's going to be great and because Gibson is from Ireland he's crap. He's way more than just a good shot anyway!

I love it when United fans talk up every academy player and youth they have.

PHB

just lol, lol, at people saying Anderson's performances have been poor and Gibson has been playing well. Way to look at only goals as an indicator of performance.

JPA

I ****ing hope he's the new Scholes. But I doubt it so far.

scuba steve

he'll never be anywhere close to scholes but he has got great potential. If he gets good game time and stays focused he will have a long term future at united imo. As said above, Fletcher would be the ideal player for him to follow

mayordenis

He scored 3 goals LOL he's the best anyone whos sayz otherwise it teh foolbagz the best I say.

Anyway, he's a good footballer with a very bright future, but to compare him with scholes, one of the best footballers of the past 15 years, one of about 5 players I'd of been to have at Liverpool from UTD in my life time is beyond ridiculous.

seany2929

I have to laugh at that ridiculous title. The lad's got a good shot that's about it!

Y2J_MUFC

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer described him as "like a Ferrari, but we just need to get him out of the garage"....So far, it looks like the garage door is locked, and the Ferrari has 4 flat tires.

He has a decent shot on him (people remember the cracking goal, but not the effort that hit the corner flag in the first half), and i thought he did well in Bari when he came on, but his general level of performances have been absolutely rubbish. He was poor against West Ham (the goal may hide that), he was complete rubbish against Beskitas and hasn't set the world alight in the reserves whenever I've seen them play. He has a habit of playing the ball back to the defense and then running into crowded areas where he can't get the ball.

He is 22, not 18. Is he a better option than Fletcher, Scholes, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves or Giggs who can all play in the center? IMHO, no. I'd loan him out and unless there is a drastic improvement (alá Fletch), I'd get rid.

ziggy

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The new Scholes? :eek: That's high praise.

He can fairly strike a ball but most united fans I talk to don't seem to rate him too highly. Haven't seen enough of him play to comment properly.

Bandit12

I hope ferguson thinks he's the new Scholes

Quandary

Gibson scores 2 half decent goals in a CC game and people start whispering.Then he scores a cracker against west ham and opinions of his ability are snowballing. IMHO he was poor in both games apart from the goals obviously. Ive watched him in reserves this season along with his mainstream appearances and he really is quite average. He's hit one or 2 epic hollywood passes but my god he offsets those by a lot of misplaced short passes.

End of the day he's a young enough player who is at a great club & can only get better, lets hope he does.

Look at Nani, i know different position & he's had tonnes of game time compared to Gibson but if we judged Nani on his first few goals only, he'd already be a Utd great :P.

cournioni

Give him a bit of time and experience and he can become a great player. He is showing some great potential at the moment. His through ball to Rooney in the first half and his three strikes in the last week are the reasons for the comparisons with Scholes, but he needs more experience before he can get to that level. So far so good though. You have to remember, Scholes was in and out of the team/squad at 22 aswell.

cournioni

ziggy wrote: »

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It is spot on to a certain extent, but when his confidence in the first team grows he will become a more rounded player. I was at the Spurs game last week, he was very cautious in his approach to the game, once he got his first goal he came into the game more. He needs to play a few games with the likes of Scholes and Carrick to see how he fares. Not with fecking Glen Whelan or Keith Andrews...

Boggles

darkman2 wrote: »

Having said that do you reckon Fergie is just talking him up to sell him for a good price - or - is he going to be a great midfielder for Man U?

Well no.

He just signed a new contract.

He reminds me more of a Lampard than Scholes. He has a hell of a lot of improving to do before he will be considered anything like that pair.

But with 2 of the greatest managers the world has ever seen in charge of him and some of the greatest midfielders ever to play the game around him, the young lad can only improve.

Like Huddlestone this season he needs game time to improve himself.

But to anwser the question, he is not the new Scholes, he is not even half as good as the old (35) Scholes.

jambofc

dont make me laugh gibson the new scholes,the only thing gibson can and will ever do better than scholes is tackle.
dont get me wrong he's a decent player but fletcher is a far better player(25) anderson is a better all round player(21) and then there's carrick(28)
the only play makers are scholes and giggs(when played center) we need to invest in a good playmaker yes gibbo has a good shot and loads of energy but we have enough midfielders to do the donkey work.he's a good squad player but wouldnt put money on him being a regular in the team.

ps. how many shots OFF target did he have before he scored on saterday!!!

stovelid

It all makes perfect sense. He plays in the United midfield and he scored a goal.

Draupnir

Potentially he is a very, very good midfielder. I definitely think he has a good passers eye and finds himself in good areas, positionally he is pretty good a lot of the time for both Ireland and United. He can tackle well too and has good pace for a midfielder.

Currently however, he is lacking in confidence and does have a tendency to drift out of games. I'd like to see him go looking for the ball a lot more for United (something he does well for Ireland in my opinion) and I'd also like to see him dictate a bit more to the other midfielders positionally and in terms of what way they are playing the ball.

Comparing him to Scholes now or at his peak is ridiculous, Scholes was very similar when he moved into a midfield role in his early days though and improved very quickly. Whether Gibson can improve as quickly is the real question here, he should have a good chance given he comes from a background of midfield play and it is his natural position.

Scholes being an "off the front man" type striker/attacking midfielder in his early days contributes heavily to his biggest weakness (tackling) and his biggest strength (shooting).

cournioni

stovelid wrote: »

It all makes perfect sense. He plays in the United midfield and he scored a goal.

A goal? I think he's scored a few more than that...

stovelid

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

A goal? I think he's scored a few more than that...

On Saturday? That inspired that headline? I must have been asleep during the game.

cournioni

stovelid wrote: »

On Saturday? That inspired that headline? I must have been asleep during the game.

You never mentioned anything about Saturday. He's scored six goals so far for United's first team with only a handful of appearances. He played well on Saturday too, particularly in the second half. He made some great runs and set up Rooney twice, one with a great through ball from midfield and one after a great run down the left. Of course the only thing he did in the game was score the goal, obviously... :rolleyes:

Again, he is 22, the same age as Scholes when he broke into the first team squad. Give him some game time alongside great players and then judge him. Look at how long it has taken Fletcher and O'Shea to make a proper impact...

stovelid

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

You never mentioned anything about Saturday.

I'll include some join-the-dots next time.

Mr.Nice Guy

Scholes had, and has, far more natural talent than Gibson. I'm not sure Gibson possesses enough aggression and vision to make it as a United player. He has done well in 2009 but still has a lot of work to do to make it as a top 4 player.

Comparing him to a once in a generation player like Scholes is way OTT. I wouldn't even say that of Stephen Ireland who in my opinion is the only Irish player around currently that could one day measure up to him.

I personally think Gibson is profiting from poor standards set by Anderson and Carrick and the fact Scholes cannot be relied upon as much as previous years. I think Fergie wants another option in there and Gibson to his credit has come in and done well. If I had to bet on him being there in 3 years though I would bet against it, though I think he is good enough to be a Premiership player.

cournioni

stovelid wrote: »

I'll include some join-the-dots next time.

A bit of clarity will do. You can keep the childrens books to yourself.