Darron Gibson - "the new Scholes"?

BaZmO*

He has potential, but no more than that atm.

Scored 3 crackers recently but as they showed on MOTD on Saturday (and MOTD2 on Sunday) he knows how to hit the corner flag from a shot as well as hitting the back of the net.

And in the analysis of the Besiktas game they showed a lot instances where he really didn't show for the ball and tbh didn't really look interested.

He's still quite young though so I wouldn't right him off just yet but conversely, I certainly wouldn't be calling him the new Scholes just because he can score screamers from outside the box.

Mr Alan

he has a great shot, virtually anything else i've seen from his has been poor...obviously he's got loads of potential, but he has a long way to go to be compared to someone like Scholes.

miralize

he's still pretty young, he does have time to improve his passing, and with that rocket of a shot I reckon he could be a regular in the next 2-3 years

stovelid

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

A bit of clarity will do..

Unless it's in a thread specifically for slow-learners, it's generally not required?

kida

Mr Alan wrote: »

he has a great shot, virtually anything else i've seen from his has been poor...obviously he's got loads of potential, but he has a long way to go to be compared to someone like Scholes.

for FFS - have you seen any more than match of the day - he played a few cracking passes on Saturday?

GavRedKing

If he gets the Fletcher treatment of playing a good brace of games and getting more experience in the 1st team and startinghe can become a good palyer for Utdbut the next Scholes, no, two different types of players IMO.

super_furry

Gibson's not good enough to make it at United. His goals won't have done his sell-on value any harm though.

SlickRic

kida wrote: »

for FFS - have you seen any more than match of the day - he played a few cracking passes on Saturday?

does that make him as good a prospect at Scholes?

he was sh*te first half, couldn't pass or shoot at all, and he was just full of aimless running most of the time.

to his credit, he improved second half, but anybody can see he isn't a Scholes. just because he can shoot doesn't make him a Scholes. compare him to someone actually attainable for the poor lad.

as MNG said, Scholes is one of those 'one-offs'.

Gibson can be a Fletcher; which given his last 18 months, is a good enough compliment i think.

JPA

For Ireland's sake I hope he keeps improving.

Pighead

super_furry wrote: »

Gibson's not good enough to make it at United.

In fairness, you probably said the exact same about Fletcher five years ago.

Sheepy99

Most certainly not.

kida

SlickRic wrote: »

does that make him as good a prospect at Scholes?

he was sh*te first half, couldn't pass or shoot at all, and he was just full of aimless running most of the time.

to his credit, he improved second half, but anybody can see he isn't a Scholes. just because he can shoot doesn't make him a Scholes. compare him to someone actually attainable for the poor lad.

as MNG said, Scholes is one of those 'one-offs'.

Gibson can be a Fletcher; which given his last 18 months, is a good enough compliment i think.

never said he could replace scholes, was pointing out there is more to his game than shooting

Dublin_Gunner

Gibson - scored a cracker on Saturday, I'll give him that. But his previous 4 or 5 attempts went about as far from the goal as it humanly possibly from 20 yards.

He's nowhere near the calibre of Scholes, and in fact, even suggesting that is doing a disservice to Mr. Scholes, who has been a legend for United.

Saying that, being an Ireland and Liverpool fan - I really hope he does get regular roles in midfield, for two entirely different reasons!

SlickRic

kida wrote: »

was pointing out there is more to his game than shooting

nothing that's particularly good to be fair.

work rate and only the odd pass.

you responded to post from Al, who said he has plenty of potential but not near a Scholes, by saying something along the lines of 'FFS, did you not see his passes on Saturday.'

i assumed since thread is about comparing him to Scholes, and your post was replying to someone who said he wasn't near a Scholes, that that was still the context.

silly me.

i mean that was the context of my post. Gibson is a handy player, but Scholes-like? never.

cournioni

stovelid wrote: »

Unless it's in a thread specifically for slow-learners, it's generally not required?

This isn't a thread about United vs. West Ham though, it is a thread about Darron Gibson's prospect as a player. Is it that hard for you to understand? Darron Gibsons career does not = 1 game against West Ham.

stovelid

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Is it that hard for you to understand?

Not really.

I implied that the 'Scholes' headlines were easy to understand because of the lazy nature of the press and the fact that he scored a cracker on Saturday.

You answered with a sarcastic comment that he has scored other goals which, like any other United fan, I know. You were the only one to do so.

Sarcasm begets sarcasm.

Jax Teller

Just waitin for someone to start the "Michael Carrick the new Rio Ferdinand" thread

Spiritoftheseventies

darkman2 wrote: »

A few months back I would have agreed with Dunphy that he would hardly have a future in the Ireland squad never mind at Man U. But now, with game time, he seems to be really getting a firmer grip on that midfield role and what a shot he has too. During the France game he had one long range effort that I think may have ended up outside the Stade and I was thinking "jesus - yet another muppet" - I can actually see now why you would let him have a shoot on sight instruction:eek:

Having said that do you reckon Fergie is just talking him up to sell him for a good price - or - is he going to be a great midfielder for Man U?

Whelan and Giles made that point two weekends ago. That Fergie inevitably talks his players up to get a good price.
Whelan mentioned in a clip that he tends to run away from the ball near the midfield sector rather than look for it.
But good goal at the weekend.

noodler

Well, he has scored more goals during his short spell in Utd's first team than Lucas OR Mascherano EVER have for us.

3 crackers in a week is impressive, he should be allowed his moment and it can hardly be bad for Ireland.

Spiritoftheseventies

noodler wrote: »

Well, he has scored more goals during his short spell in Utd's first team than Lucas OR Mascherano EVER have for us.

3 crackers in a week is impressive, he should be allowed his moment and it can hardly be bad for Ireland.

That wouldn't be hard. Maybe we should introduce a goal bonus for Masch and Lucas to encourage them to score a bit more!

kida

kida wrote: »

never said he could replace scholes, was pointing out there is more to his game than shooting

in first 15 mins last night he hit too pinpoint raking passes to either wing - one to Nani and one to Park

CHD

kida wrote: »

in first 15 mins last night he hit too pinpoint raking passes to either wing - one to Nani and one to Park

Get outa here! Seriously?

Mr Alan

kida wrote: »

in first 15 mins last night he hit too pinpoint raking passes to either wing - one to Nani and one to Park

in fairness, he was very poor last night.

Boggles

Skimmed through Dunphys column during the week. A full 2 pages on how we should not be fooled by Gibson and he is basically a nothing player.

Eamo confessed on national TV that he hadn't seen that much of him to form an opinion, now that he has seen 3/4 games where Gibson has been pretty decent, he writes him off.

This actually fills be with a bit of optimism for Gibson and his future.

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

in fairness, he was very poor last night.

Gibson?

We must have been watching 2 different matches.

kida

Mr Alan wrote: »

in fairness, he was very poor last night.

STFU - he was very good. Did you watch the game? He tracked back, passed very well. He hasn't played 20 games for the club. If that was Lucas you would be creaming all over yourself. Take off your ABU glasses and look objectively on a very good perfromance by a young player.

Mr Alan

i watched the entire game along with my Utd supporting brother, who agreed with me.

boggles, are you incl the spurs game in his run of games where he has been good? cause that game sums him up perfectly for me, poor performance-rounded off by two good goals.

his general play is poor imo, but his shot is excellent.

MuPpItJoCkEy

A new Scholes, I would love it but I seriously doubt it. Scholes is a unique player (and a genious with the ball I may add, such a footballing brain) but like many others in the past who have played for United, they have come and gone and another type of player steps in to replace them with different attributes but to say he is the new Scholes is pushing it. I think Gibson has plenty of potential and time to develope into a better player.

Personally a while back, I wondered whether Fletcher was fit for the Premiership and I'm happy to have been proved wrong.

Gibson is young and for Ireland and United, I hope he will grow to be a great player.

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

i watched the entire game along with my Utd supporting brother, who agreed with me.

So?

All that proves is your both wrong.

Gibson was decent last night.

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

boggles, are you incl the spurs game in his run of games where he has been good? cause that game sums him up perfectly for me, poor performance-rounded off by two good goals.

Strange when Gerrard does that almost every week, you are fully erect??

CHD

kida wrote: »

STFU - he was very good. Did you watch the game? He tracked back, passed very well. He hasn't played 20 games for the club. If that was Lucas you would be creaming all over yourself. Take off your ABU glasses and look objectively on a very good perfromance by a young player.

You take of your MUFC red tinted shades too then please.

jaykay74

Mr Alan wrote: »

in fairness, he was very poor last night.

bollocks to that

He played pretty well last night. much better than the 2 games in which he scored. more confident in his passing. tracked back well. happy with his performance last night.

Mr Alan

Boggles wrote: »

Strange when Gerrard does that almost every week, you are fully erect??

LOL

so in this thread we have Gibson being compared (favourably!) to Paul Scholes & Steven Gerrard.

but yet i'm the delusional one! :rolleyes:

powerfade

Mr Alan wrote: »

i watched the entire game along with my Utd supporting brother, who agreed with me.

boggles, are you incl the spurs game in his run of games where he has been good? cause that game sums him up perfectly for me, poor performance-rounded off by two good goals.

his general play is poor imo, but his shot is excellent.

Ok Mr Alan, would you mind backing up your statement with examples of how he was very poor last night? Made some great tackles, made himself available to back four all night to receive the ball at midfield, kept the ball well and gave 3/4 50 yard screamers of ball out to the wings, tracked back and generally worked his socks off especially when Scholes got tired for the last 20 mins.

kida

CHD wrote: »

You take of your MUFC red tinted shades too then please.

most Utd fans and a lot of neutrals agree with me

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

LOL

so in this thread we have Gibson being compared (favourably!) to Paul Scholes & Steven Gerrard.

but yet i'm the delusional one! :rolleyes:

Yeah I was Alan :rolleyes:

Your childish defense is marginally better than your I was asleep defense I suppose.

Mitch Connor

Mr Alan wrote: »

LOL

so in this thread we have Gibson being compared (favourably!) to Paul Scholes & Steven Gerrard.

but yet i'm the delusional one! :rolleyes:

Meh - seemingly you are the one that can't read or follow context.

jaykay74

Mr Alan wrote: »

LOL

so in this thread we have Gibson being compared (favourably!) to Paul Scholes & Steven Gerrard.

but yet i'm the delusional one! :rolleyes:

The general gist of the thread is everyone laughing at the comparison with Scholes or did you miss that bit

MuPpItJoCkEy

Jesus, the lad is only 22. Give him time. He's already doing pretty well. He's getting more time on the pitch, he's added goals. He's still very young. How many people thought Ronaldo was going to be get the best player in the world status at some point when he started. He had a lot of improving to do and he did just that. Don't get me wrong either, I'm not saying Gibson is going to become a Ronaldo but you get my drift, he will improve with time and experience.

Mr Alan

ok for example, i've just read the min by min match report from football.co.uk to make sure i wasnt delusional.

3 times Gibsons name is mentioned, all 3 are for the poor shots he made.

Last night was a game even the most biased Utd fan would admit was dominated by Wolfsburg with Utd playing a quick counter attacking game, this whole game plan totally by-passed Gibson. & as for him keeping the ball well? 3 times in the second half i remeber him giving the ball away under zero pressure, one of which he passed straight out of play.

Now i think Gibson is a decent prospect, certainly for Ireland, however, at this moment in time his general play is poor & his shot is good. This is something that the majority of Utd fans agreed with up until last week ffs.

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

Last night was a game even the most biased Utd fan would admit was dominated by Wolfsburg with Utd playing a quick counter attacking game,

United had 53% possession??

Stop fooking digging Al, you embarrasing yourself and in a strange way me.

Yeah Wolfsburg had more "chances", but what the fook do you expect with Uniteds defense.

Bottom line 24 injured players, German Champions beaten 3-1 away and dumped out of the CL like a few other jokers this season.

Gibson had a pretty descent game, United under the circumstances were Awesome.

Take the lemon out.

kida

Mr Alan wrote: »

ok for example, i've just read the min by min match report from football.co.uk to make sure i wasnt delusional.

3 times Gibsons name is mentioned, all 3 are for the poor shots he made.

Last night was a game even the most biased Utd fan would admit was dominated by Wolfsburg with Utd playing a quick counter attacking game, this whole game plan totally by-passed Gibson. & as for him keeping the ball well? 3 times in the second half i remeber him giving the ball away under zero pressure, one of which he passed straight out of play.

Now i think Gibson is a decent prospect, certainly for Ireland, however, at this moment in time his general play is poor & his shot is good. This is something that the majority of Utd fans agreed with up until last week ffs.

I thought you watched the match so why resort to text commentary? Did you see the long range passing in the first half? What about the tracking back all game. You would cream yourself if Lucas had a similar game!!

The Muppet

Gibson had a good game last night, his passing was a lot better than of late, maybe a decent run in the team will see this aspect of his game improve further as his confidence improves.

Wellbeck is the player that puzzles me. Fergie priasies him highly but imo he is the most one footed player I have seen in the prem in al ong time,

That right foot is pretty good but its easier to defend against a one footed player, defenders will just put him on his bad foot and his threat is drastically reduced. I don't see him making it myself but I'm no fergie.

Mr Alan

Boggles, were Utd dominated by Wolfsburg last night? did the result flatter Utd?

(edit:just read guardian minute by minute, he gets zero mention in it)

Dave!

Scholes only gets 1 mention in that football.co.uk report despite bossing the midfield all night

BaZmO*

Mr Alan wrote: »

ok for example, i've just read the min by min match report from football.co.uk to make sure i wasnt delusional.

3 times Gibsons name is mentioned, all 3 are for the poor shots he made.

LOL

kida

Dave! wrote: »

Scholes only gets 1 mention in that football.co.uk report despite bossing the midfield all night

exactly - what puzzles me is that somebody that watched the match resorts to text commenatary

Mr Alan

The Muppet wrote: »

Gibson had a good game last night, his passing was a lot better than of late, maybe a decent run in the team will see this aspect of his game improve further as his confidence improves.

Wellbeck is the player that puzzles me. Fergie priasies him highly but imo he is the most one footed player I have seen in the prem in al ong time,

That right foot is pretty good but its easier to defend against a one footed player, defenders will just put him on his bad foot and his threat is drastically reduced. I don't see him making it myself but I'm no fergie.

strange one alright. in the brief times i'd seen him before this recent run of games, i always thought he looked excellent.

Mr Alan

kida wrote: »

exactly - what puzzles me is that somebody that watched the match resorts to text commenatary

to prove a point.

i watched the game i thought he was poor.

kida

Mr Alan wrote: »

to prove a point.

i watched the game i thought he was poor.

yet you cannot mention specific incidents - think someones been found out