Going Rogue

Black Swan

Pocono Joe wrote: »

As someone else stated... If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen... So I guess Palin would have done better, but no worse, as President?

Until she suddenly resigns, as when she was Alaska oil & gas commissioner and Alaska governor?

Oh... does she get three strikes before she is out?

Nodin

Pocono Joe wrote: »

Never meant to. All I did was point out the failures, hypocrisy and rabid vitriol of the so-called “reporters” during the campaign. .

That presumes your list of questions are in some way based in reality. They aren't.

The fact is that the woman, based on knowledge displayed in the public arena, isn't fit for high office. Thats not based on either her or my party allegiance (I'm not American), or ideology, or her gender. Had a more capable candidate been chosen, you could well be basking under a McCain presidency now.

Pocono Joe wrote: »

(And Schwarzenegger cannot be our President, and shouldn't be, according to our Constitution)

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Overheal

Nodin wrote: »

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I believe its a Constitutional precedent that the Commander in Chief must be a native born citizen.

This isnt a Human Rights violation as far as I can tell, as you can participate in every other position of government as a naturalized citizen.

Still given what America is and what it was founded upon I think we need to re-evaluate that assumption. Mr. Schwarzenegger is as American as anyone else.

tolosenc

People are saying that people chose between Palin and Obama? Really? It was McCain who ran... She was anything but a nail in the coffin. I'd rather see her as President than Joe Biden, to be honest...

Manic Moran

Saw a couple of polls recently that Palin is now as popular as Obama. Of course, that's far different from voting for them. I still think she's tainted goods, though, I can't see her getting into the White House (I don't think I'd vote for her either).

I believe its a Constitutional precedent that the Commander in Chief must be a native born citizen.

Not so much precedent as in a written requirement.

Interestingly, there have been a number of presidents who are argued by the letter of the law were not native born citizens. There was a bit of a paperwork glitch and Ohio was not formally admitted to the Union until 1953. That led to a spirited attempt to get income tax repealed, because it was signed by President Taft, from Ohio, who in theory was not authorised to hold the position and his signature was invalid.

The legal wrangling which followed has raised eyebrows amongst legal purists. For example, as a result of it, Congress passed a retroactive law and the Constitution specifically says that Congress shall not pass a law ex post facto. (Itself subject to interpretation, case-law currently says that this ban is on criminal matters only)

NTM

Nodin

Overheal wrote: »

I believe its a Constitutional precedent that the Commander in Chief must be a native born citizen.

Aye, I just didn't see the relevance of him bringing the Governator into the conversation. Now and again I forget some people take this 'Birther' business seriously.

Pocono Joe

Nodin wrote: »

Aye, I just didn't see the relevance of him bringing the Governator into the conversation. Now and again I forget some people take this 'Birther' business seriously.

Ahhhh... who is the "him" you are referring to? If you were referring to me, I was responding to Overheal’s point posed at me regarding Arnie... see below. (I hate it when people can't be bothered to read beyond one page, I really do. )

Overheal wrote: »

Of course I guess by your logic you would never wish to see Schwarzenegger as a president in any Future.

Overheal

Nodin wrote: »

Aye, I just didn't see the relevance of him bringing the Governator into the conversation. Now and again I forget some people take this 'Birther' business seriously.

What does Gay Marriage have to do with this thread? I brought up Schwarzenegger with regards to citizenship and presidency.

I hate it when people can't be bothered to read beyond one page, I really do

there is only one page if youre doing it right.

Nodin

Jaysus...it only gets 'bipartisan' when yez are ganging up on me.....don't mark the face...I'm delicate....

Pocono Joe

Nodin wrote: »

Jaysus...it only gets 'bipartisan' when yez are ganging up on me.....don't mark the face...I'm delicate....

Oh grow a pair! It could be worse… you could spend the night with Lorena Bobbitt, Tonya Harding, and Nancy Pelosi. You’d wake up in the morning with your tallywacker gone, your knees broken, and no health care insurance.

Black Swan

Manic Moran wrote: »

Palin... I still think she's tainted goods, though, I can't see her getting into the White House (I don't think I'd vote for her either).

***Blue reaches for the oxygen, and takes a few deep breaths!***
OK tall like "John Wayne," what's the real message here? (Are you trying to get me to buy you the first drink when you get back to California from Afghanistan?)

Pocono Joe

I see Sarah Palin has gone up against Arnold Schwarzenegger's dismissal of her views on global warming in a Facebook statement.

Why is Governor Schwarzenegger pushing for the same sorts of policies in Copenhagen that have helped drive his state into record deficits and unemployment? Perhaps he will recall that I live in our nation’s only Arctic state and that I was among the first governors to create a sub-cabinet to deal specifically with climate change. While I and all Alaskans witness the impacts of changes in weather patterns firsthand, I have repeatedly said that we can’t primarily blame man’s activities for those changes. And while I did look for practical responses to those changes, what I didn’t do was hamstring Alaska’s job creators with burdensome regulations so that I could act “greener than thou” when talking to reporters.

Notice that the Terminators always seem to be taken out by someone named Sarah. :cool:

Black Swan

Palin's "drill-baby-drill" vision for California coastline sunsets. California tourism industry revenues will obviously expand by domestic and international visitors wishing to admire the natural beauty as depicted in the below picture, as will the coastline property real estate values that share this view:

Pocono Joe

Don’t know about the rest of you, but it would be hard to enjoy a particular scenery when you realize it has cost you your job, is responsible for huge tax increases, is responsible for increased product and energy costs, and has a direct impact on reduced government services.

Oh yeah... I understand the scenery in Alaska is quite spectacular. :rolleyes:

Overheal

Pocono Joe wrote: »

1. Why won’t Obama allow the public to see his doctor-generated, hospital-released birth certificate?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

hinault

This Palin character appears to be completely braindead.

Even my American standards, she's a cretin.
And that's saying something.


Every review of her book that I have read, has been abysmal.
Christopher Hitchens - a well known rightwinger - said the book was the worst fiction/non fiction book that he ever had
the misfortune to read!

Pocono Joe

The level of PDS continues to amaze me.

Anybody NOT seen this yet?
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=palin+conan+shatner&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701&tnr=21&vid=0001849974942

Overheal

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* Panzer Dragoon Saga, a role-playing video game
* Partitioned data set, a dataset of IBM systems
* Processor Direct Slot, a slot found in some Macintosh computers
* Protocol Data Services, a British information technology services company
* Protected distribution system, a safeguarded telecommunication system
* Premises distribution system

Medical

* Paroxysmal depolarizing shift, a pre-seizure interictal neuronal EEG spike in epilepsy.
* Parkinson's Disease Society of the UK, a British medical research charity dedicated to the curing of Parkinson's disease
* Polydioxanone, a biodegradable polymer that is used for biomedical applications
* Pigment dispersion syndrome, an affliction of the eye

Political parties

* Party of Democratic Socialism (Germany)
* Party of Democratic Socialism (India)
* Progressive Democrats, a defunct political party of Ireland
* Democratic Party of the Left (Partito Democratico della Sinistra), a defunct political party of Italy
* Senegalese Democratic Party (Parti Démocratique Sénégalais), a political party of Senegal
* Sudanese Democratic Party (Parti Démocratique Soudanais), a defunct political party of Sudan
* Democratic Social Party (Partido Democrático Social), a defunct political party of Brazil
* Prosperous Peace Party (Partai Damai Sejahtera), a political party of Indonesia
* Parti de la Democratie Socialiste, a defunct provincial political party of Quebec, Canada

Schools

* Princeton Day School, a private school in Princeton, New Jersey
* Peabody Demonstration School, a now-closed private school in Nashville, Tennessee
* Providence Day School, a private school in Charlotte, North Carolina

Scientific

* Photothermal deflection spectroscopy, spectroscopy measuring the change in refractive index due to laser heating of a surface
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* Particularly dangerous situation, a high-end watch occasionally issued by the Storm Prediction Center
* Pound sterling, the currency of the United Kingdom
* Precision Drill Squad, a skilled military performance of Singapore
* Prinzhorn Dance School, a British alt/punk band
* Product design specification, a term used in product design
* Public Distribution System, a retail type system run by government to supply essential items to vulnerable sections of the society at reasonable (subsidized) prices

Pocono Joe

Overheal... why are you having such search problems as of late? Have you switched to that new Liberal search engine... Bong?

Here you go.
http://www.peachpundit.com/2008/09/10/palin-derangement-syndrome/

InTheTrees

hinault wrote: »

This Palin character appears to be completely braindead.

Even my American standards, she's a cretin.
And that's saying something.

Yup.

In an anarchist kind of way I think it would be interesting to see what she'd do if she was president. SHe'd probably quit.

Overheal

Pocono Joe wrote: »

Overheal... why are you having such search problems as of late? Have you switched to that new Liberal search engine... Bong?

Here you go.
http://www.peachpundit.com/2008/09/10/palin-derangement-syndrome/

Okely Dokeley

Palin Derangement Syndrome. As soon as Senator McCain announced Sarah Palin as his running-mate the derangement began. The worst example was the DailyKos posting accusing Bristol of being Trig’s mother. But other examples abound: that she tried to have books like Harry Potter banned at the Wasila library2, she was a member of a secessionist party3, she’s a snake handling creationist, etc. [...] her being an anti-Semite, or that her kid is pregnant because she supports abstinence only education5.

Unfortunately, Mister Pocono, I cannot recall any instance [ever or of late] in this forum of anyone parading, believing or endorsing any of these above-quoted, claimed Palin Derangements. But you are welcome to pull some up.

I simply maintain she's far too detached from current affairs to be involved in them. To pocket Political Correctness: in my private opinion, I think she's a retarded bitch. It has nothing to do with her children, or her children's children, or snakes, semitism, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2gE-VVjBI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsU26FNC0sg

InTheTrees

Overheal wrote: »

To pocket Political Correctness: in my private opinion, I think she's a retarded bitch.

Yup, she strikes me as a generally unpleasant person regardless of politics.

There's an "emperor has no clothes" phenomena going on in the US that beggars belief.

If you believe palin is intelligent what does it say about you?

Mjollnir

InTheTrees wrote: »

Yup, she strikes me as a generally unpleasant person regardless of politics.

There's an "emperor has no clothes" phenomena going on in the US that beggars belief.

If you believe palin is intelligent what does it say about you?

It would make one what is known over here as a "Woo-Woo".

Friends don't let friends become Woo-Woos.

Nodin

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsU26FNC0sg

Incredible, in a way.....Sheer horror in another....

Trouser_Press

Pocono Joe wrote: »

1. Why won’t Obama allow the public to see his doctor-generated, hospital-released birth certificate?

2. Was Obama officially adopted by his Muslim stepfather when he lived in Indonesia with his mother and stepfather, from the ages of approximately 6 to 10 years old?

3. Did Obama ever renounce his U.S. passport? Has Obama ever traveled internationally on a passport other than a U.S. State Department-issued passport?

4. Did Obama travel to Pakistan as a student on a U.S. passport, or on an Indonesian passport? Why did Obama travel to Pakistan, who did he visit there and what was the purpose of the trip?

5. How did Obama pay his tuition at the exclusive high school preparatory Punahou Academy he attended in Hawaii, as well as his college tuition at Occidental in California and at Columbia at New York?

6. How did Obama pay his tuition at Harvard Law School?

7. Why will Obama release none of the school records at any of the schools he attended?

8. Obama’s school records in Indonesia show that at both the Catholic and public school he attended there he was registered as a “Muslim” and an “Indonesian Citizen.” Was Obama ever officially instructed in Islam, even in elementary school?

9. Why has Obama refused to discuss the clients he served when he worked for the law firm of Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland in Chicago?

10. Did Obama ever receive any money from the millions Rezko borrowed to redevelop the low-income housing projects in Chicago that Rezko evidently defrauded of the improvements contracted by Obama's firm?

11. Has Obama’s campaign instituted sufficient fiscal controls to determine if any credit card contributions made to his 2008 presidential campaign have come illegally from foreign sources? Have any such foreign contributions been reported to Federal Election Commission authorities and returned, as required by federal law?

12. Has Obama ever renounced black liberation theology as espoused by its chief apologist, James Cone?

13. Why have the detailed minutes and funding activities of the Woods Fund and the Annenberg Challenge documents in which William Ayers and Barack Obama participated never been completely released to the public?



Here is a picture I took last fall during a campaign rally I attended.

Hey Pocono Joe, why not just get to the kernel of your point:

The President is black.

Overheal

Trouser_Press wrote: »

Hey Pocono Joe, why not just get to the kernel of your point:

The President is black.

As fun as the Black joke once was, its often brought up as a sincere defense against the President's Critics. I think it needs to stop.

Pocono Joe

It amazes me how some posters are allowed to take others out of context and misrepresent their posts.

imme

hinault wrote: »

This Palin character appears to be completely braindead.

Even my American standards, she's a cretin.
And that's saying something.


Every review of her book that I have read, has been abysmal.
Christopher Hitchens - a well known rightwinger - said the book was the worst fiction/non fiction book that he ever had
the misfortune to read!

much of what Palin says is disturbing, re Middle East etc.
In many ways she would be a very dangerous president, rogue indeed. :eek:

There was great publicity around the publication of her book, somewhere in Middle America I saw locals buying her book being interviewed. What do you think were her greatest achievements, what of her policy on x, y, z, they were asked. No sensible answer was discernible. 'I just like the lady' seemed to be the feeling.

Overheal

Pocono Joe wrote: »

It amazes me how some posters are allowed to take others out of context and misrepresent their posts.

where?

InTheTrees

Pocono Joe wrote: »

It amazes me how some posters are allowed to take others out of context and misrepresent their posts.

A bit like the nonsense of defending palin by listing reasons you dont like Obama?

You get this all the time over here in the US. These people dont have the intelligence to defend her "positions", they simply parrot the same old attacks on Obama.

Dont like Palin? But Obamas an indonesian muslim terrorist...