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Lawliet

Mountainlad wrote: »

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Something seems wrong about this

It's the Jizzlers not fight club, people can mention it in other forums. It's only meant to be a bit of fun after all.

I have to admit though, I'm curious as to why someone with no other posts here felt the need to bring this to everyone's attention

soccymonster

I would like our 2009 Jizzler disqualification recanted as a result plz.

#deisemonster3yearsinarow
#WhosMountainLadLAWL

wnolan1992

Lawliet wrote: »

It's the Jizzlers not fight club, people can mention it in other forums. It's only meant to be a bit of fun after all.

I have to admit though, I'm curious as to why someone with no other posts here felt the need to bring this to everyone's attention

It's almost as if someone put him up to it...


Hmmmm...


[url=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q04_ClDxRsk[/url]

Palytoxin

Is there any way it could be arranged so that only, say C&H regulars/members or whatever you want to call them, could vote in the Jizzlers?

Konata

Palytoxin wrote: »

Is there any way it could be arranged so that only, say C&H regulars/members or whatever you want to call them, could vote in the Jizzlers?

Unless you create a private forum and invite all C&H users to it just to vote for the Jizzlers, then no. There's no way to disallow certain users from voting in a poll.

wnolan1992

Palytoxin wrote: »

Is there any way it could be arranged so that only, say C&H regulars/members or whatever you want to call them, could vote in the Jizzlers?

There are two options that I could think of.



1. All votes are PM'd to the mods:
Would certainly keep it to regular posters, but would be a complete pain in the arse to do the results tbh, especially since the awards are around Christmas time.
I've seen how many people voted in each of the polls, and the thought of receiving that many PM's and having to manually tot up results is not something I would volunteer for.

2. Make the votes public:
Basically, the polls would be set up as normal, except you could see who voted for each person, and discount votes from people who've never posted.
Not sure if the poll system allows for just the mods to be able to see who voted though.



But the problem with both of those (aside from adding a whole lot of administrative hassle to the thing), and the whole "only C&H regulars can vote" thing, is that it only serves to make the forum a clique. It doesn't take into account that there are probably people lurking who have never, or will never post. It doesn't take into account that there are posters who never read the forum and only read certain threads (like STYA for example), who may want to vote in one specific category and who might find it daunting to PM a mod they've never dealt with before. Who are we (we as in regular posters) to say Anonymous_Generic_Username's opinion on "Best Taste in Music" isn't valid just because they're not a regular poster? They may very well read every post in STYA.

And giving the impression that only those who post here every day are welcome is a bad idea in my opinion. We should be striving to get more people in, not putting up walls to keep them out.


That's my two cents for what it's worth.

Palytoxin

I was only thinking it might encourage interaction and activity in the forum, that's all, if people had to post at least once even in order to vote, even introduced themselves. (Probably seems like I'm bitter over votes or something now).

Screaminmidget

Palytoxin wrote: »

I was only thinking it might encourage interaction and activity in the forum, that's all, if people had to post at least once even in order to vote, even introduced themselves. (Probably seems like I'm bitter over votes or something now).

Yes, it does. You cant win them all.























:P

Insect Overlord

Palytoxin wrote: »

I was only thinking it might encourage interaction and activity in the forum, that's all, if people had to post at least once even in order to vote, even introduced themselves. (Probably seems like I'm bitter over votes or something now).

That's actually a decent idea. Get more people involved and posting. Thumbs up from me!

PseudoFamous

wnolan1992 wrote: »

1. All votes are PM'd to the mods:
Would certainly keep it to regular posters, but would be a complete pain in the arse to do the results tbh, especially since the awards are around Christmas time.
I've seen how many people voted in each of the polls, and the thought of receiving that many PM's and havin

You could bang it out in excel in no time, tbh. I'd even do it if you wanted. To keep it fair though, you'd want the PMs send to an account separate to an actual poster's account, viewable by mods as well as the votetoter.

Lawliet

PseudoFamous wrote: »

You could bang it out in excel in no time, tbh. I'd even do it if you wanted. To keep it fair though, you'd want the PMs send to an account separate to an actual poster's account, viewable by mods as well as the votetoter.

I think the system we have now is fine, it's simple, easy and anonymous. I know I don't like the idea of three or four people seeing who I'm voting for, especially if the people counting it are in the category I'm voting for. If you make it harder for people to vote and take away their anonymity, you're just going to have less people taking part.

And to be honest, I don't think non regulars voting is that big of a problem. The result were posted for everyone to see, and the poll in question wasn't won by a huge margin.

wnolan1992

Palytoxin wrote: »

I was only thinking it might encourage interaction and activity in the forum, that's all, if people had to post at least once even in order to vote, even introduced themselves. (Probably seems like I'm bitter over votes or something now).

To quote mods of times gone by, "It's a Feedback thread. Give Feedback.", which is exactly what you did. It doesn't come across as bitter in any way.

However, I would have a problem with the bolded part. I think it's a dangerous route to go down to say you have to post in the forum in order to vote. It should be more a case that people want to post in the forum.

Because if we can't entice people into the forum during the year, and have to rely on the threat of not being able to vote for your friends in the Jizzler's to get people in, then we're in serious trouble here.

PseudoFamous wrote: »

You could bang it out in excel in no time, tbh. I'd even do it if you wanted. To keep it fair though, you'd want the PMs send to an account separate to an actual poster's account, viewable by mods as well as the votetoter.

Indeed, it could be done, but toting up in an excel sheet would add workload to whoever was doing it, and I would be wary of expecting people to commit to that around Christmas.



But I'm curious. Why has this suddenly arisen as an issue? The poll system seems to have been adequate for the past three years, and I checked back through this thread around the time of '09 Jizzlers, and it wasn't raised then. It wasn't suggested then that only C&H regular posters should be allowed to vote, and I'm genuinely curious as to why that is?

Is it because someone who isn't part of the main clique of C&H posters won this year, and back then it was two who were well embedded in that clique?

jefreywithonef

The best solution to this voting malarkey is to just award everything to me.

PseudoFamous

Lawliet wrote: »

I think the system we have now is fine, it's simple, easy and anonymous.

Therein lies the problem. Ballot stuffing is too easy. It's not really voted by merit of the candidate if a candidate can go elsewhere to acquire votes. That'd be like someone running in an election in Ireland, but losing because the other candidate had more votes from Guatemala outnumbering the actual winner's Irish total.

Lawliet wrote: »

I know I don't like the idea of three or four people seeing who I'm voting for, especially if the people counting it are in the category I'm voting for. If you make it harder for people to vote and take away their anonymity, you're just going to have less people taking part.

Anonymity? Yeah great, but you have to be sure that the voters are from the constituency. What's the point in the vote if anyone can stuff the ballot box due to having more completely unrelated connections?

Would it be fair if I asked the forum (on another site) I moderate "Hey guys, I have this silly election on another forum coming up, could you please just make an account and vote for me"? It's a fairly niche forum, but there are still >100K registered users. Afaik, there isn't much of a crossover between there and C&H, but it happened on a smaller, more localised scale here. Would it be fair?

Lawliet wrote: »

And to be honest, I don't think non regulars voting is that big of a problem. The result were posted for everyone to see, and the poll in question wasn't won by a huge margin.

The post drawing users was thanked ten times. We'll assume that there was an average (50%) crossover from that post as it linked directly to the poll. That could potentially have been 5 votes, the difference between first and tied last.

Palytoxin

wnolan1992 wrote: »

However, I would have a problem with the bolded part. I think it's a dangerous route to go down to say you have to post in the forum in order to vote. It should be more a case that people want to post in the forum.

But if people have no input into the forum other than looking at posts, why would they vote? I get the whole lurking thing, but it wouldn't kill someone to say, "Hi, I'm x, I like y, I'm from z" in the intros thread!

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Because if we can't entice people into the forum during the year, and have to rely on the threat of not being able to vote for your friends in the Jizzler's to get people in, then we're in serious trouble here.

I'm all on for more people, and making the forum as enticing as possible to everybody.

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Indeed, it could be done, but toting up in an excel sheet would add workload to whoever was doing it, and I would be wary of expecting people to commit to that around Christmas.

Sssshh, now's the chance to hold him to his word...

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Is it because someone who isn't part of the main clique of C&H posters won this year, and back then it was two who were well embedded in that clique?

As far as I'm aware the only real clique is because the people that use the IRC or have even come into it once to say hello know each other a bit better, and know if they are more helpful of nerdy or whatever it is, and therefore might be more inclined to vote for them, you can vouch for that yourself that we know each other better since you've come on!




I hate breaking posts up like this to reply to them..

AtomicKoala

Look guys, I think the important thing is that we refine everything for next year.
Every Jizzlers should strive to be better than the last!

SarahBeep!

The money was just resting in my account!

jefreywithonef

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Would it be fair if I asked the forum (on another site) I moderate "Hey guys, I have this silly election on another forum coming up

I don't think you treat these awards seriously enough, opinion redundant.

Insect Overlord

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Because if we can't entice people into the forum during the year, and have to rely on the threat of not being able to vote for your friends in the Jizzler's to get people in, then we're in serious trouble here

I've taken a few steps back from this forum over the last year. Most times I do check in it's the same few threads that are active (Yeah, Aargh, The Den, STYA, Video-games, the IRC thread, whoever is in the Play Pen and recently the Draw A Picture thing).

I think some new blood and some new thread ideas are needed. Not because of cliques or anything silly like that, but just to keep bringing in fresh things to complement the old reliables.

Cakes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

Screaminmidget

wnolan1992 wrote: »

But I'm curious. Why has this suddenly arisen as an issue? The poll system seems to have been adequate for the past three years, and I checked back through this thread around the time of '09 Jizzlers, and it wasn't raised then. It wasn't suggested then that only C&H regular posters should be allowed to vote, and I'm genuinely curious as to why that is?

Is it because someone who isn't part of the main clique of C&H posters won this year, and back then it was two who were well embedded in that clique?

Wahey, the forum is cliquey again!! \o/ :P

wnolan1992

Palytoxin wrote: »

As far as I'm aware the only real clique is because the people that use the IRC or have even come into it once to say hello know each other a bit better, and know if they are more helpful of nerdy or whatever it is, and therefore might be more inclined to vote for them, you can vouch for that yourself that we know each other better since you've come on!

I agree completely. IRC is (as much as I take the piss out of it) a great thing for the regular posters to use to get to know each other better in a way that a message board like C&H proper just doesn't allow.


But I also remember everything that was said in IRC on the night of the Jizzlers. And I'm asking myself: "Is their problem the system, or the person who used the system to win."

Again. Three years have gone by where this wasn't an issue. Why? I'm genuinely curious as I only really started posting around the time of last year's awards, so I'm curious as to why it is felt the system is so suddenly flawed.


Look, I'm not saying the current system is perfect. It is open to abuse. But I would worry that even giving the impression that only regular posters are entitled to vote gives the impression that this is not an inclusive place. People shouldn't feel obligated to post, they should want to post. At the end of the day the Jizzlers are a bit of craic, and the more barriers and rules it has the less fun it becomes IMO.

Screaminmidget

Looking at the results jefery posted....

23 people voted in The most creative poster poll (Just one taken at random)

16 voted in the most inspirational.

Just sayin'

Konata

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Again. Three years have gone by where this wasn't an issue. Why? I'm genuinely curious as I only really started posting around the time of last year's awards, so I'm curious as to why it is felt the system is so suddenly flawed.

I've been around for all the previous Jizzlers and I believe the reason why the system is suddenly being questioned is because there never was a case of someone posting in another forum about being nominated with a link to the voting thread before.

It's never been explicitly stated that you can't do that but it never happened before. Since it has now happened it's obviously causing people to wonder about the voting system.

The only thing I can say about the whole situation is this: The Jizzlers are a laugh. They were never meant to be taken seriously. I honestly see absolutely no need for complicated voting procedures - the current system works fine. What I would suggest is that next year perhaps, it be stated in the nominations/voting threads that the awards are not permitted to be linked to in other forums. You can disqualify any nominee caught doing that if you want or something. That should get rid of these worries of potential corruption to the votes. Sure there are plenty of other ways to go around getting people to vote for you but as I said before, the Jizzlers aren't the freakin' Oscars - does anyone really care that much about winning that they'd go to all that bother?

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents on the whole thing looking at it as someone who is no longer involved much with C&H but who has been around for previous Jizzler awards ceremonies.

wnolan1992

Konata wrote: »

I've been around for all the previous Jizzlers and I believe the reason why the system is suddenly being questioned is because there never was a case of someone posting in another forum about being nominated with a link to the voting thread before.

It's never been explicitly stated that you can't do that but it never happened before. Since it has now happened it's obviously causing people to wonder about the voting system.

The only thing I can say about the whole situation is this: The Jizzlers are a laugh. They were never meant to be taken seriously. I honestly see absolutely no need for complicated voting procedures - the current system works fine. What I would suggest is that next year perhaps, it be stated in the nominations/voting threads that the awards are not permitted to be linked to in other forums. You can disqualify any nominee caught doing that if you want or something. That should get rid of these worries of potential corruption to the votes. Sure there are plenty of other ways to go around getting people to vote for you but as I said before, the Jizzlers aren't the freakin' Oscars - does anyone really care that much about winning that they'd go to all that bother?

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents on the whole thing looking at it as someone who is no longer involved much with C&H but who has been around for previous Jizzler awards ceremonies.

Konata, if I agreed with your post any more, I would likely run off to Mexico and marry it...

Insect Overlord

Konata wrote: »

I've been around for all the previous Jizzlers and I believe the reason why the system is suddenly being questioned is because there never was a case of someone posting in another forum about being nominated with a link to the voting thread before.

<_<

>_>

I wouldn't be so sure of that! But it was hilarious at the time. The "Should Be A Couple" award is always fun like that.

SarahBeep!

Sound for the concern that I'm clearly being stalked lads :pac::pac::pac::pac:

Insect Overlord

SarahBeep! wrote: »

Sound for the concern that I'm clearly being stalked lads :pac::pac::pac::pac:

It's cool, cuz! I got your back. :cool:

SarahBeep!

Insect Overlord wrote: »

It's cool, cuz! I got your back. :cool:

Sound love!

(Good thing you don't mod here any more, you'd be accused of nepotism )

Mountainlad

SarahBeep! wrote: »

Sound for the concern that I'm clearly being stalked lads :pac::pac::pac::pac:

:cool:

iamanengine

I just started posting here like, what 2 or 3 days ago. I just kind of wandered in by stumbling upon the STYA thread and decided to stick around.

But I think if I had wandered in and seen that there was some award thingys but it was only for certain people I'd probably feel very excluded and left out and would probably move on to another forum. It's intimidating for new posters to get involved when there already is an established clique.

Perhaps that's just my emotions taking hold :rolleyes:

Anyway, what do I know! As I see, the Jizzlers (still makes me lawl) are meant to be a bit of harmless craic and should be kept that way if possible!

/my two cents

jefreywithonef

Konata wrote: »

Sure there are plenty of other ways to go around getting people to vote for you but as I said before, the Jizzlers aren't the freakin' Oscars - does anyone really care that much about winning that they'd go to all that bother?

*quietly closes alias accounts*

anirishlad

iamanengine wrote: »

I just started posting here like, what 2 or 3 days ago. I just kind of wandered in by stumbling upon the STYA thread and decided to stick around.

But I think if I had wandered in and seen that there was some award thingys but it was only for certain people I'd probably feel very excluded and left out and would probably move on to another forum. It's intimidating for new posters to get involved when there already is an established clique.

Perhaps that's just my emotions taking hold :rolleyes:

Anyway, what do I know! As I see, the Jizzlers (still makes me lawl) are meant to be a bit of harmless craic and should be kept that way if possible!

/my two cents

See this guy is exactly why it should only be long term posters voting :pac:

Palytoxin

anirishlad wrote: »

See this guy is exactly why it should only be long term posters voting :pac:

They've already been assimilated into IRC..

Lawliet

iamanengine wrote: »

But I think if I had wandered in and seen that there was some award thingys but it was only for certain people I'd probably feel very excluded and left out and would probably move on to another forum. It's intimidating for new posters to get involved when there already is an established clique.

I'm glad someone new said that, I think people forget that it's often intimidating to try and join in when everyone seems to know each other.
I definitely don't want C&H turning into a place where we only let certain people take part in events 'cause our little forum awards are srs bsns. That's not going to encourage people to post, it's going to scare people off.

Pigwidgeon

Right. I feel like I should make a proper reply to this seeing as I apparently was second in the award in question. I've had a pretty busy week in work (circa 55 hours) so missed most of the jizzlers. Tbh, while yeah it was nice to be nominated as an inspirational person, I don't really give to much of a crap about the awards. They're a bit of fun, sure that's in the name. The fact I've been nominated for the same award two years in a row is enough to make me smile. I wouldn't think about sharing it and trying to gain votes to win it, and I highly doubt that was sarahbeep!'s intentions; I'm going to guess she was like me and was shocked/chuffed that people, for a reason I can't see found he inspiring, I highly doubt there was any attempts at ballot stuffing on her behalf.

I'm sorry but it's a bit of fun awards ceremony on an internet forum. Again I don't understand why people make such a big fuss over it.



#pigwidgeonformostinspirationalposter2013

jumpguy

I still haven't won a goddamn Jizzler, and there's even one for being really good at being me. :mad:

jefreywithonef

New twist: Pigwidgeon is actually SarahBeep!

Suidivad

I'm puzzled. Is it OK for me, a non-forum regular with no prior connections, to vote then? Holy heck, I know a certain Mr. tradoburns who's down a vote now!

decisions

Anyone else think one video per post in STYA would be a good idea?

PseudoFamous

decisions wrote: »

Anyone else think one video per post in STYA would be a good idea?

no

wnolan1992

decisions wrote: »

Anyone else think one video per post in STYA would be a good idea?

It's becoming unmanageable to be honest. On anything other than the fastest broadband it completely crashes my browser (I do use 40posts/page though, which probably makes it a lot worse ).

Instead of restricting the number of videos, would it be better to try and only post a link to the video instead of embedding it?

Or are the majority happy with it the way it is?

PseudoFamous

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Or are the majority happy with it the way it is?

I'm perfectly happy with it since each "video" only loads an image until clicked. If you can't handle images... well.. the internet is not a good place for you.

Togepi

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Instead of restricting the number of videos, would it be better to try and only post a link to the video instead of embedding it?

I haven't really visited that thread much (TBH I'm waiting for it to hit 10,000 posts so I can join in when there's a new thread :P), but this sounds like a good idea, as long as people say what the song is and who it's by.

That thread any other threads with that amount of videos per page tend to not agree with my internet any time I visit them, so I think links would be a good solution if others are having the same problem.

JamJamJamJam

I'm sorry, I got carried away, okay! :-P

Slow Show

Ah nah don't make it into links, that'd just be a deterrent to actually listening to songs. I can't really explain it but embedding is better. One video per post, grand, I apologise for also getting carried away in the past.

And like if you're gonna have 40 posts per page and not the best internet STYA is obviously gonna be a problem (no offence ). It's a burden wnolan, but it's your burden.

wnolan1992

Slow Show wrote: »

Ah nah don't make it into links, that'd just be a deterrent to actually listening to songs. I can't really explain it but embedding is better. One video per post, grand, I apologise for also getting carried away in the past.

And like if you're gonna have 40 posts per page and not the best internet STYA is obviously gonna be a problem (no offence ). It's a burden wnolan, but it's your burden.

True that I suppose.

And in retrospect, links are a bad idea. Instead of one tab with STYA open, you'd have dozens of YT tabs open. My bad.

Only a few days until decent internet again though, so hopefully I'll be able to venture back into STYA then... Gonna be some craic catching up on a month's worth of videos though. :pac:

Insect Overlord

I'm pretty sure we had a 3 video per post limit at some stage, probably more than two years ago now though. There's a glitch that seems to make some posts appear twice as well, so people should check to make sure they aren't posting 5 or 6 videos twice in a row by accident.

Lawliet

PseudoFamous wrote: »

I'm perfectly happy with it since each "video" only loads an image until clicked. If you can't handle images... well.. the internet is not a good place for you.

I'm not sure that's right, I can infinite scroll pictures for hours no problem, and yet I've have had chrome crash on STYA a couple of times in the last few days.

Insect Overlord wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we had a 3 video per post limit at some stage

I think a three video limit is probably the best solution.

Jamie Starr

I live in the west, so my modem is probably powered by a water wheel for all I know. I never have problems with the thread though. Might be a better thread if links were posted and people wrote more about their opinions on the track and why it should be listened to. It would either deter lazy multi-embedding, or give us some great music writing, or both!

BUT HEY WHO AM I I'M JUST A GUY