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The "live as it happens" Budget comment thread....

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    #812
    RodgerTheDoger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭RodgerTheDoger


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    We are 15% down on numbers since start of the year and 18.5% down on salary


    Show where you are getting these figures?


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    #813
    dunny1975
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭dunny1975


    tudlytops wrote: »
    A bit lost there???

    Bonus is something we got paid for doing more then was expected, going over our targets, some of us worked really hard to get them, come in early and went home late, etc.
    Know the feelimng worked an average of 70 hours a week for past month got paid 39, again what is a bonus


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    #814
    segaBOY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    RodgerTheDoger wrote: »
    The private sector is different, people in the private sector are paid based on profits, if there are no profits there is no pay.

    Edit: I reread your first post-I think we're singing off the same hymn sheet!


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    #815
    dunny1975
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭dunny1975


    RodgerTheDoger wrote: »
    Show where you are getting these figures?
    2% income levy, 9% pension levy, average 6.5% today and income tax changes last october. 15% let go well you can chaek with ou personnel to conform that.


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    #816
    segaBOY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    Know the feelimng worked an average of 70 hours a week for past month got paid 39, again what is a bonus

    I think you are being a bit liberal with the truth here. Don't you guys get time in lieu for this sort of thing if overtime is not paid...


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    #817
    tudlytops
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭tudlytops


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    Know the feelimng worked an average of 70 hours a week for past month got paid 39, again what is a bonus


    It's what they take away just before they sack you :o


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    #818
    dunny1975
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭dunny1975


    segaBOY wrote: »
    I think you are being a bit liberal with the truth here. Don't you guys get time in lieu for this sort of thing if overtime is not paid...
    Wish I was, the place was flooded, had to do the time, time in lieu?


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    #819
    RodgerTheDoger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭RodgerTheDoger


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    We are 15% down on numbers since start of the year and 18.5% down on salary,

    OK read this
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/1208/1224260297346.html

    Some key points:

    There have been no compulsory redundancies in the public sector linked to the financial situation.

    The price for public services is too high, especially compared to those in many other EU countries.


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    #820
    tudlytops
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭tudlytops


    segaBOY wrote: »
    I think you are being a bit liberal with the truth here. Don't you guys get time in lieu for this sort of thing if overtime is not paid...


    I often worked a lot more then may contract, because the work had to be done and that is that.

    We were given work to do and told it had to be finished for yesterday if you get what I'm saying, the client was waiting and what the client wants must be done.


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    #821
    RodgerTheDoger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭RodgerTheDoger


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    2% income levy, 9% pension levy, average 6.5% today and income tax changes last october. 15% let go well you can chaek with ou personnel to conform that.


    Is this a Joke?

    The annual cost of purchasing similar pension entitlements in the private sector would be 27 per cent of annual salary in the case of a typical civil servant employed prior to 2004. The pension levy then was intended to address this inequity, not the pay inequity. It is a separate issue.


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    #822
    dunny1975
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭dunny1975


    RodgerTheDoger wrote: »
    Is this a Joke?

    The annual cost of purchasing similar pension entitlements in the private sector would be 27 per cent of annual salary in the case of a typical civil servant employed prior to 2004. The pension levy then was intended to address this inequity, not the pay inequity. It is a separate issue.
    If only the private sector had set up a proper mutualised pension fund eh?


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    #823
    segaBOY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    If only the private sector had set up a proper mutualised pension fund eh?

    You do realise that the tax payer picks up much of the tab for your pension? The rate you pay is far less than what the pension is actually worth.


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    #824
    RodgerTheDoger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭RodgerTheDoger


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    If only the private sector had set up a proper mutualised pension fund eh?


    your pension is subsidised my the tax payer, I am sorry there are so many of us now out of work that we cannot keep you guys on big fat pensions.

    I think the public sector fail to see that, the money has to come from somewhere it does not magically appear!!


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    #825
    dunny1975
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭dunny1975


    RodgerTheDoger wrote: »
    your pension is subsidised my the tax payer, I am sorry there are so many of us now out of work that we cannot keep you guys on big fat pensions.

    I think the public sector fail to see that, the money has to come from somewhere it does not magically appear!!
    No the amount collected by public sector pension contributions covers those who are on pensions. The governement gives 3.5% contribution much less than tha the typical private sector employer contribution or tax incentives provided by the government to private sector workers. Thats why its is called a mutualised fund, dont believe everything you read in the papers.


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    #826
    tudlytops
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭tudlytops


    RodgerTheDoger wrote: »
    your pension is subsidised my the tax payer, I am sorry there are so many of us now out of work that we cannot keep you guys on big fat pensions.

    I think the public sector fail to see that, the money has to come from somewhere it does not magically appear!!

    ah i paid for a private pension, to get what the public sector gets people in the private sector have to pay for it, if you don't pay then all you get is the state pension, not very nice.

    Only my pension at the moment is worth nothing maybe in a few years it will be ok again.

    correct me if my wrong but as far as i know Public sector gets a very nice pension regardless.


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    #827
    segaBOY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    No the amount collected by public sector pension contributions covers those who are on pensions. The governement gives 3.5% contribution much less than tha the typical private sector employer contribution or tax incentives provided by the government to private sector workers. Thats why its is called a mutualised fund, dont believe everything you read in the papers.

    Oh dear...


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    #828
    tudlytops
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭tudlytops


    i would loved to have this option open to me.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/budget/comment-reaction/early-retirement-scheme-proves-popular-with-public-service-1701989.html


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    #829
    mercedeslimos
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭mercedeslimos


    tudlytops wrote: »
    Don't think so its for new claims only and you've already been accepted, but if you refuse a job then you will be affect, or so they say will see.


    hope your right. hundred a week won't even cover rent till rent allowance comes thru in 13 weeks time...

    my friend was crapping himself, sure a hundred won't even cover fags and petrol and insurance never mind rent or anything else!


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    #830
    RodgerTheDoger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭RodgerTheDoger


    dunny1975 wrote: »
    No the amount collected by public sector pension contributions covers those who are on pensions. The governement gives 3.5% contribution much less than tha the typical private sector employer contribution or tax incentives provided by the government to private sector workers. Thats why its is called a mutualised fund, dont believe everything you read in the papers.

    Yeah don't believe everything you read.

    Basic facts, you cannot afford your over inflated mortgage, tuff, how bad to sad.... Could be worse you could be in the dole queue. Do I feel sorry for you, not really, you will probably always have an income at least, you will not starve! Even if you do not have a house. Ireland needs to enter a period of deflation we are too expensive, half the country are heading to the north to do their weekly shopping and I do not blame them.

    My prediction this is not the end, the public sector has to fit with the amount of revenue the government takes in. Next year more cuts!


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    #831
    tudlytops
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭tudlytops


    mercedeslimos wrote: »
    hope your right. hundred a week won't even cover rent till rent allowance comes thru in 13 weeks time...

    my friend was crapping himself, sure a hundred won't even cover fags and petrol and insurance never mind rent or anything else!


    well your friend will have to adjust to not smoking and taking the bus :)


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    #832
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The Budgets about NAMA! The thing the EU are financing! she's mad!


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    #833
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mercedeslimos wrote: »
    hope your right. hundred a week won't even cover rent till rent allowance comes thru in 13 weeks time...

    my friend was crapping himself, sure a hundred won't even cover fags and petrol and insurance never mind rent or anything else!

    I work, dont smoke, live at home and use the bus, I didn't realize that the dole should fund a better lifestyle...


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    #834
    RodgerTheDoger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭RodgerTheDoger


    efb wrote: »
    I work, dont smoke, live at home and use the bus, I didn't realize that the dole should fund a better lifestyle...


    LOL it shouldn't, i am from Donegal and at a point i knew people working in Derry in the north who where coming home with less than people on the dole in Donegal!


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    #835
    mercedeslimos
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭mercedeslimos


    efb wrote: »
    I work, dont smoke, live at home and use the bus, I didn't realize that the dole should fund a better lifestyle...


    i can't live at home since my parents are both dead, and as i was working i needed a car. unfortunately i live out in the country where buses don't exist at all..

    thank god i don't smoke... although drink has come down... are the government trying to make us a nation of alcoholics...

    and i'm only on social wlfare until i go back to college in april..


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    #836
    RodgerTheDoger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭RodgerTheDoger


    mercedeslimos wrote: »
    i can't live at home since my parents are both dead, and as i was working i needed a car. unfortunately i live out in the country where buses don't exist at all..

    thank god i don't smoke... although drink has come down... are the government trying to make us a nation of alcoholics...

    and i'm only on social wlfare until i go back to college in april..


    what u going to study?


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    #837
    mercedeslimos
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭mercedeslimos


    RodgerTheDoger wrote: »
    what u going to study?


    failte ireland do a series of sixteen week courses which pay the equivalent dole...

    was in the system before for a previous course so have been guaranteed a place.

    gonna study bar skills. i'm a chef, but i want to try new things.


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    #838
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mercedeslimos wrote: »
    i can't live at home since my parents are both dead, and as i was working i needed a car. unfortunately i live out in the country where buses don't exist at all..

    thank god i don't smoke... although drink has come down... are the government trying to make us a nation of alcoholics...

    and i'm only on social wlfare until i go back to college in april..

    I live in the country too (work is only two hours away!) Where do you live that has no access at all to buses?


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    #839
    j.moloney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭j.moloney


    Can i just ask why are the minister's and the toaiseach still on such hig incomes?? they're doing public sector wor they should be on public sector incomes!!!! :mad:


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    #840
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    j.moloney wrote: »
    Can i just ask why are the minister's and the toaiseach still on such hig incomes?? they're doing public sector wor they should be on public sector incomes!!!! :mad:

    They are- Higher PS Incomes!


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    #841
    j.moloney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭j.moloney


    efb wrote: »
    They are- Higher PS Incomes!

    i'm talking bout the average public sector pay... why should they recieve the "lifestyle" everyone talks bout when some people can't even afford to feed themselves let alone their own kids!!


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