Western Rail Corridor (all disused sections)

eastwest

Doltanian wrote: »

I have a need to go from Killarney to Galway next week so decided I'd take the train, what an absolute shambles Iarnrod Eireann are, apparently the track between Ennis and Limerick is submerged under water and the line is closed. I was considering buses but the first bus from Killarney to Limerick doesn't leave until 10am so I'd arrive in Galway too late, hence my interest in the train. My only public transport alternative is drive to Mallow (80kms) and take the train to Limerick, changing at Limerick Junction and changing from Train to Bus at Limerick Station.

What absolute stupidity, I'll drive instead but with fuel, road tolls and parking costs I would have preferred to take a train and watch a few tv shows on the iPad and before I knew it I'd just be there. I can't undertand why Irish Rail don't run trains from Galway to Waterford connecting to Cork at Limerick Junction, just use a simple one or two car set and it might be successful. There is a great new Motorway now and I'll use that but Buses are a god damn miserable way to travel for students and people who are poor, you can't type or watch tv etc and they will invariably go to every two horse town off the motorway along the way.

Dublin coach leaves killarney 7.30 a.m and gets to Arthur's Quay in Limerick at 9.15.
City link leaves linerick at 9.35 and gets to Galway at 11.05.
Book on line ahead of time and it can cost very little. Buses are very comfortable and have WiFi etc.

Quackster

Doltanian wrote: »

I was considering buses but the first bus from Killarney to Limerick doesn't leave until 10am so I'd arrive in Galway too late, hence my interest in the train.

Dublin Coach's service from Killarney to Limerick has early morning departures at 4:30, 6:30 and 7:30. Between Bus Eireann and City Link, there are plenty of connecting options from Limerick to Galway so not that hard to get to Galway by bus at an early hour.

Muckyboots

eastwest wrote: »

Doltanian wrote: »

I have a need to go from Killarney to Galway next week so decided I'd take the train, what an absolute shambles Iarnrod Eireann are, apparently the track between Ennis and Limerick is submerged under water and the line is closed. I was considering buses but the first bus from Killarney to Limerick doesn't leave until 10am so I'd arrive in Galway too late, hence my interest in the train. My only public transport alternative is drive to Mallow (80kms) and take the train to Limerick, changing at Limerick Junction and changing from Train to Bus at Limerick Station.

What absolute stupidity, I'll drive instead but with fuel, road tolls and parking costs I would have preferred to take a train and watch a few tv shows on the iPad and before I knew it I'd just be there. I can't undertand why Irish Rail don't run trains from Galway to Waterford connecting to Cork at Limerick Junction, just use a simple one or two car set and it might be successful. There is a great new Motorway now and I'll use that but Buses are a god damn miserable way to travel for students and people who are poor, you can't type or watch tv etc and they will invariably go to every two horse town off the motorway along the way.

Dublin coach leaves killarney 7.30 a.m and gets to Arthur's Quay in Limerick at 9.15.
City link leaves linerick at 9.35 and gets to Galway at 11.05.
Book on line ahead of time and it can cost very little. Buses are very comfortable and have WiFi etc.

Quackster wrote: »

Doltanian wrote: »

I was considering buses but the first bus from Killarney to Limerick doesn't leave until 10am so I'd arrive in Galway too late, hence my interest in the train.

Dublin Coach's service from Killarney to Limerick has early morning departures at 4:30, 6:30 and 7:30. Between Bus Eireann and City Link, there are plenty of connecting options from Limerick to Galway so not that hard to get to Galway by bus at an early hour.

Plus there's good deals on 10' tablets in PC World with high spec graphics. Perfect for watching TV on buses.

Harcourt Street

Harcourt Street wrote: »

We also have to challenge the prevailing anti rail propagandists who would love to close every scrap of rail and turn it into a cycle track.

I'm a Greenway advocate for the closed section of the wrc but am also a regular rail user..... What label does that attract?

eastwest

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm a Greenway advocate for the closed section of the wrc but am also a regular rail user..... What label does that attract?

Whenever you get that label, pass it on to me. I am also a regular rail user both in Ireland and the UK, but I fail to see the sense in diverting massive slices of taxpayer funds to build railways for a tiny minority of users when there is no business case.
I use railways where they give a fast and frequent service, otherwise I use a car or a bus, but I am by no means anti rail. I am also in favour of using all disused and publicly owned assets for the common good.
And I don't ride a bike around my garden in Dublin 4.

Quackster

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm a Greenway advocate for the closed section of the wrc but am also a regular rail user..... What label does that attract?

Join the club!

Muckyboots

Quackster wrote: »

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm a Greenway advocate for the closed section of the wrc but am also a regular rail user..... What label does that attract?

Join the club!

#metoo

Harcourt Street

Have I wandered into a Hollywood awards ceremony?

dowlingm

westtip wrote: »

Nobody in this forum or in the greenway campaign has suggested closing this route, in fact it would be perfect for a parallel greenway in fact I am surprised WOT haven't suggested it. Cycle one way return by train, perfect synergy.

...If Irish Rail would allow the bike on the train, mind you there would be enough room with only about 10 people per train at the moment.

Parallel rail and trail happening in California at the moment:
http://sonomacounty.ca.gov/Parks/Planning/SMART-Trail/

dowlingm

Accidentally wrote: »

The only thing I can find there is about a freight hub in Claremorris. Is that it?

I don't remember seeing anything freight wise in Claremorris, and I'd go through there fairly often. I'm also a bit mystified as to what the demand would be and why it can't go via Athlone. It's not as if the line to Athlone is busy

The line from Athlone-Portarlington is pretty busy, I believe. Dublin freight, Waterford freight, Galway passenger, Westport passenger all going through that section.

eastwest

dowlingm wrote: »

The line from Athlone-Portarlington is pretty busy, I believe. Dublin freight, Waterford freight, Galway passenger, Westport passenger all going through that section.

Most of it runs at night, it's lightly used by international standards.

end of the road

eastwest wrote: »

Most of it runs at night

actually it runs in the day rather then at night.

eastwest wrote: »

it's lightly used by international standards.

not really. it's a single track line and single track lines can only take so many services.

Doltanian

With regards to Portarlington I think it is also another shambles by Irish Rail that it is not utilised fully for connecting trains. I remember around 15 years ago taking trains from Killarney to Roscommon station and being able to change in Portarlington, nowadays the Cork or Kerry trains never seem to stop at Portarlington which would allow faster journey times instead of having to go to Heuston and then backtrack to Galway, Westport etc.

Our Rail network is far too Dublin centric, Irish Rail it seems don't want to run a service or even attempt half the time. I'd see nothing wrong with diverting money to subsidize some private operators to come in, the closing of the Wexford line was a disgrace when there should be a Galway-Limerick (split the train at Limerick Junction) and onto Cork and Waterford and Rosslare service.

Invest money to bring the tracks and network up to spec and launch cheap affordable transport, rail tickets are far too expensive. Ennis and Limerick City should also have more services to Dublin and they could operate via Nenagh - Ballybrophy if modifications and some money was invested. Hub Cities of Cork, Limerick, Waterford and Galway should be provided with adequate commutable morning and evening services and large free parking made available. People would drive to the station and park and take the train the rest of the way. The Macroom line in Cork would be an excellent example of where an old line could serve excellently today for commuters compared to the misery of driving or using buses.

westtip

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm a Greenway advocate for the closed section of the wrc but am also a regular rail user..... What label does that attract?

All for one and one for all. count me in this category too. The label is sensible but not according to the bastion of truth in the West of Ireland who said this in its editorial last friday

Western People Editorial February 12th 2018: That's why it is so disappointing to see the ongoing campaign in Connacht for a greenway on the route of the Western Rail Corridor. The promoters of this project are undoubtedly well motivated but they are wholly misguided in their view that a greenway through the heart of our province can spark a new period of western regeneration. It will, at best, create a small number of jobs in the tourism sector, but the damage it will do - both directly and indirectly - would be immense.

I laughed so much I nearly cried. I saved you the bit about priests - I kid you not if you want to read it all go to the WOT FB page, hilarious stuff here in the wesht

ohographite

westtip wrote: »

...If Irish Rail would allow the bike on the train, mind you there would be enough room with only about 10 people per train at the moment.

Is 10 people per train actually the current usage of Ennis to Athenry?

Harcourt Street

ohographite wrote: »

Is 10 people per train actually the current usage of Ennis to Athenry?

It isn’t. But don’t let that awkward fact stop anyone tell you otherwise. They are actually lying to you.

marno21

Harcourt Street wrote: »

It isn’t. But don’t let that awkward fact stop anyone tell you otherwise. They are actually lying to you.

Prove it wrong in that case

Harcourt Street

westtip wrote: »

All for one and one for all. count me in this category too. The label is sensible but not according to the bastion of truth in the West of Ireland who said this in its editorial last friday



I laughed so much I nearly cried. I saved you the bit about priests - I kid you not if you want to read it all go to the WOT FB page, hilarious stuff here in the wesht

They called you out good and proper and all you can say it’s hilarious? Remind me never to borrow a comedy dvd from you, I might end up with either Driller Killer or Leave it to Mrs O’Brien.

Harcourt Street

westtip wrote: »

All for one and one for all. count me in this category too. The label is sensible but not according to the bastion of truth in the West of Ireland who said this in its editorial last friday



I laughed so much I nearly cried. I saved you the bit about priests - I kid you not if you want to read it all go to the WOT FB page, hilarious stuff here in the wesht

Here is the best bit of the editorial -

Are we – the current inhabitants of a region with a proud history – so utterly broken that the best we can offer the next generation is a cycle path through the heart of our province? Is that going to be our monument, our epitaph? Seriously? If it is, then we should hang our heads in shame because we will have failed ourselves, future generations and, worst of all, those who came before us and fought so hard to reverse rural decline.

If the Western Rail Corridor is not featured in the National Planning Framework and the Government’s capital investment plan then we must stand up and fight. And if we don’t then we deserve our fate – and what a fate it will be. Indeed, to use a cycling analogy, we’ll be back on the Penny Farthing in jig time.

Harcourt Street

marno21 wrote: »

Prove it wrong in that case

Been proven over and over again. IE’s own massaged (downwards) figures are far greater. Why arent the greenway supporters ever asked for “proof”. I wonder.

Harcourt Street

Harcourt Street wrote: »

It isn’t. But don’t let that awkward fact stop anyone tell you otherwise. They are actually lying to you.

Out of interest, what are the numbers on it?

Peak and off peak?

marno21

Harcourt Street wrote: »

Here is the best bit of the editorial -

Are we – the current inhabitants of a region with a proud history – so utterly broken that the best we can offer the next generation is a cycle path through the heart of our province? Is that going to be our monument, our epitaph? Seriously? If it is, then we should hang our heads in shame because we will have failed ourselves, future generations and, worst of all, those who came before us and fought so hard to reverse rural decline.

If the Western Rail Corridor is not featured in the National Planning Framework and the Government’s capital investment plan then we must stand up and fight. And if we don’t then we deserve our fate – and what a fate it will be. Indeed, to use a cycling analogy, we’ll be back on the Penny Farthing in jig time.

It's this type of grade A drivel by people in the region that is the reason that the next generation won't care about a cyclepath - cos they want to get the **** out of there.

Do the next generation in Casteconnell or Ardrahan embrace the railway running through the town? No as soon as they turn 17 they start learning to drive. The thought of taking the train would never enter their head.

A greenway would be much more useful along this route rather than vast capex with negative return because it would provide entry level jobs for younger people in the cafes and restaurants and accomodation that the greenway attracts.

Harcourt Street

marno21 wrote: »

It's this type of grade A drivel by people in the region that is the reason that the next generation won't care about a cyclepath - cos they want to get the **** out of there.

Do the next generation in Casteconnell or Ardrahan embrace the railway running through the town? No as soon as they turn 17 they start learning to drive. The thought of taking the train would never enter their head.

A greenway would be much more useful along this route rather than vast capex with negative return because it would provide entry level jobs for younger people in the cafes and restaurants and accomodation that the greenway attracts.

How in the name of God does a railway have anything to do with 17 year olds learning to drive. I must admit that’s a new on me.

As to Greenways and job aspirations, your comment on entry level jobs pretty much sums up the sheer lack of ambition that the Western People editoral attacks. Those young people will want to get into their cars and get the hell out of the West to better themselves using your model.

Muckyboots

Western People Editorial - "If the Western Rail Corridor is not featured in the National Planning Framework and the Government’s capital investment plan then we must stand up and fight."

Looking forward to see the masses of rail enthusiasts hitting the streets of Tuam and Athenry, as called out by the Western People, when this happens.

Harcourt Street

Muckyboots wrote: »

Western People Editorial - "If the Western Rail Corridor is not featured in the National Planning Framework and the Government’s capital investment plan then we must stand up and fight."

Looking forward to see the masses of rail enthusiasts hitting the streets of Tuam and Athenry, as called out by the Western People, when this happens.

It won't be rail enthusiasts. This campaign was never about rail enthusiasts, that label is just a smokescreen used by some to belittle the campaign. It's all about jobs, prosperity and a truly sustainable future.

Muckyboots

Harcourt Street wrote: »

Muckyboots wrote: »

Western People Editorial - "If the Western Rail Corridor is not featured in the National Planning Framework and the Government’s capital investment plan then we must stand up and fight."

Looking forward to see the masses of rail enthusiasts hitting the streets of Tuam and Athenry, as called out by the Western People, when this happens.

It's all about jobs, prosperity and a truly sustainable future.

Greenway campaigners can make the very same claims. It's just that they have better statistics plus more recent and relevant successes to back up theirs.

Cosmo K

marno21 wrote: »

Do the next generation in Casteconnell or Ardrahan embrace the railway running through the town? No as soon as they turn 17 they start learning to drive. The thought of taking the train would never enter their head.

Ardrahan station is a feckin joke! I don't know how much money they spent on the car park, but I can guarantee that it will take hundreds of years before they make any money from the car park. Nobody uses the long-term car park, there's simply no demand for it.

The trains on the line are empty! And they'll be empty for years to come! Ardrahan to Tuam takes about 25 minutes on the motorway, it would probably take over an hour by train.

westtip

called me out good and proper!!!@. The western people. so out of touch with reality it is only laughable what there stance on this issue is. Mind you at least they acknowledged the greenway wld create jobs. so that is step forward so is the fact they ackknowledge the public mood and actually talk about the massive support their is for the greenway. BTW you are right though numbers may have gone up to 12 passengers per train on the Ennis athenry section.

westtip

called me out good and proper!!!@. The western people. so out of touch with reality it is only laughable what there stance on this issue is. Mind you at least they acknowledged the greenway wld create jobs. so that is step forward so is the fact they ackknowledge the public mood and actually talk about the massive support their is for the greenway. BTW you are right though numbers may have gone up to 12 passengers per train on the Ennis athenry section.

westtip

called me out good and proper!!!@. The western people. so out of touch with reality it is only laughable what there stance on this issue is. Mind you at least they acknowledged the greenway wld create jobs. so that is step forward so is the fact they ackknowledge the public mood and actually talk about the massive support their is for the greenway. BTW you are right though numbers may have gone up to 12 passengers per train on the Ennis athenry section.

Harcourt Street

Harcourt Street wrote: »

It won't be rail enthusiasts. This campaign was never about rail enthusiasts, that label is just a smokescreen used by some to belittle the campaign. It's all about jobs, prosperity and a truly sustainable future.

There you go talking about jobs again, so, again, I'm going to ask you to provide some information to show that Ennis to Athenry section has resulted in jobs.

You can't say "it's about jobs" if there's no evidence of the first section creating any

Muckyboots

Harcourt Street wrote: »

It won't be rail enthusiasts. This campaign was never about rail enthusiasts, that label is just a smokescreen used by some to belittle the campaign. It's all about jobs, prosperity and a truly sustainable future.

The campaign for rail has been led by WOT, the inter-county rail committee and the WDC. All of these organisations are driven by self-confessed railway enthusiasts. Nothing wrong with that. People along the west and politicians who saw their campaign as an easy sell at the door accepted the economic arguments without challenging them. Without an obvious alternative for use on the line they were the "no brainer" of their day.
That was then- this is now The rail economic arguments don't stack up when challenged. The communities who live along the alignment have watched two generations move up and on without any sign of rail reinstated. Dozens of retail and hospitality businesses have struggled and failed, while Westport and Waterford have had economic re-surges based on Greenways. With respect, the WOT campaign was always about rail enthusiasm, nothing wrong with that, but enthusiasm ebbs and flows. In this case the tide is definitely out for rail.

Isambard

if it's about Enthusiasts, then why did Westrail in Tuam not thrive? Rhetorical question

Grandeeod

Isambard wrote: »

if it's about Enthusiasts, then why did Westrail in Tuam not thrive? Rhetorical question

Ah it's a different thing these days. We have "internet" rail enthusiasts that like to comment and dictate from the comfort of an armchair.:D

Losty Dublin

Grandeeod wrote: »

Ah it's a different thing these days. We have "internet" rail enthusiasts that like to comment and dictate from the comfort of an armchair.:D

That armchair is the wrong shade of leather.

Grandeeod

Losty Dublin wrote: »

That armchair is the wrong shade of leather.

If you say so.

A great write up in the New York Times no less, on the Great Western Greenway

Paid for itself in the first year, has led to 200 local jobs and more benefits besides

https://nyti.ms/2F5zzFU

Meanwhile in Galway, rusty rail lines rust.

westtip

Deleted User wrote: »

A great write up in the New York Times no less, on the Great Western Greenway

Paid for itself in the first year, has led to 200 local jobs and more benefits besides

https://nyti.ms/2F5zzFU

Meanwhile in Galway, rusty rail lines rust.

In the meantime the Western People said this in an editorial last week (extract below)

Western People Editorial 12 February 2108

That's why it is so disappointing to see the ongoing campaign in Connacht for a greenway on the route of the Western Rail Corridor. The promoters of this project are undoubtedly well motivated but they are wholly misguided in their view that a greenway through the heart of our province can spark a new period of western regeneration. It will, at best, create a small number of jobs in the tourism sector, but the damage it will do - both directly and indirectly - would be immense.

I love his phrase "at best create a small number of jobs" but he hasn't told us about how many jobs have come flowing from Ennis Athenry!...errr none is the answer BTW.

also apologies to everyone for reposting the same post three times in a row a few posts back, an error whilst posting from the mobile....which I am not very good at!

eastwest

Deleted User wrote: »

A great write up in the New York Times no less, on the Great Western Greenway

Paid for itself in the first year, has led to 200 local jobs and more benefits besides

https://nyti.ms/2F5zzFU

Meanwhile in Galway, rusty rail lines rust.

Rusty rails have a useful purpose though, as the basis of a lot of election promises. And the follow on from that is that local politicians with nothing else to offer can't be seen to support the removal of rusty rails, even though they would have to be removed anyway if a railway was to be built in the future.
When we get to more enlightened times in the future and we try to play catch-up with the rest of the world and build this greenway, we will look back in puzzlement at this worship of rusty rails.
The key asset here from a national standpoint isn't this linear pile of scrap metal, it's the alignment, the land that we own but persist in not using for the common good.

eastwest

I see that the fecal matter is starting to hit the revolving blades in Mayo.
Minister Ring's rush to throw money at the west on track dream is starting to come back to haunt him.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/ring-freewheels-into-problematic-mayo-funding-row-hpv65nbl3

westtip

eastwest wrote: »

I see that the fecal matter is starting to hit the revolving blades in Mayo.
Minister Ring's rush to throw money at the west on track dream is starting to come back to haunt him.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/ring-freewheels-into-problematic-mayo-funding-row-hpv65nbl3

The Ministers departmental advice was apparently to keep clear of this project following the first tranche of money thrown at it. When the Minister made the second bung available he was well aware the whole project was in a potential mess having been referred to An Bord Pleanala. He could land in really soft brown stuff on this one......

eastwest

But the most likely outcome is a continuing stalemate.
http://connachttribune.ie/minister-odds-future-western-rail-corridor-400/

westtip

eastwest wrote: »

But the most likely outcome is a continuing stalemate.
http://connachttribune.ie/minister-odds-future-western-rail-corridor-400/

Can kicking suits them, West on track delighted they have stopped the greenway but interesting what Cannon said about mass Rally in Tuam, the only way to make this happen now is people on the streets and some direct action.

westtip

Press release From: The Western Rail Trail campaign
March 16th 2018 for immediate release: 465 words (main body text)

• 10,000 West of Ireland petitioners want a greenway on closed railway from Sligo to Athenry
• 10,000 petitioners say new Rail report must cover all options for closed railway, including Greenway
• 10,000 petitioners angry with politicians stopping the greenway to protect route in public ownership
• 10,000 want Sligo-Athenry route included in new greenway strategy from Department of Transport

A spokesman for the Western Rail Trail Campaign – an alliance of community-based campaign groups in Galway Mayo and Sligo campaigning to preserve the alignment of the closed rail line from Athenry to Collooney by utilising the route for tourism and leisure as a greenway until such time as a railway may be possible, has welcomed the fact that an online petition in favour of the greenway has already achieved over 10,000 signatures.

Since the launch of the National Development plan, when the government said there is going to be yet another report into the future of the Western Rail Corridor north of Athenry, thousands more people have signed the petition. ‘Ever since this announcement the petition has just exploded in support’ the spokesman said. ‘The idea of yet another railway report seemed to be the catalyst for people to say enough is enough, we need the route used as greenway now and we have had enough reports about railways that government has no intention of building. People living along this derelict route are really angry about this matter and the support for the greenway is snowballing.’

Minister Ross and other senior politicians have each received 10,000 emails generated from the petition and asking for a greenway. These emails include a simple sentence that sums up the mood of the signatories:

‘If there is to be yet another report, the greenway has to be considered as an option in that report.’

In the Galway East constituency, there is a political division on the issue. The Greenway is supported by Anne Rabbitte TD of Fianna Fail and Minister Ciaran Cannon of Fine Gael but Independent Alliance TD Sean Canney opposes the greenway and the tourism jobs it will bring. Mr Canney wants yet another time-wasting report into the Western Rail Corridor.

Brendan Quinn of the Western rail Trail campaign says ‘Public opinion clearly favours a greenway and cannot be ignored anymore. The new railway report announced in the National Development Plan needs to consider all options for the closed railway, including its use as a greenway. In addition, a new national greenway strategy is due to be published soon and there will be real anger from people if this route is not included in that strategy.’

‘10,000 signatures is a significant indicator of the public mood. It is also significant that the majority of people signing this petition live in the three counties which will benefit from the tourism jobs the Western Rail Trail will bring.’ said Quinn. ‘Over 4000 people from County Galway have signed the petition, about 1500 from Mayo and over 1000 from county Sligo. In total over 90% of all signatures on the petition are from people living in Ireland with 10% coming from international supporters, many with a connection to the area.’

ENDS: body text 465 words

Free to use images here: https://www.sligogreenway.com/media--images.html (please acknowledge Sligo Greenway Co-op as owners)

Contacts: via sligo mayo greenway fb page

Link to petition for editors:

https://www.change.org/p/western-rail-trail-campaign-create-a-walking-and-cycling-greenway-on-the-closed-railway-from-sligo-to-athenry

Harcourt Street

I love this quote from the Western People which curiously has gone uncommented upon in certain quarters;

This newspaper’s recent editorial on the proposed greenway along the route of the Western Rail Corridor has provoked a lot of hot air on social media forums; indeed, more hot air has been generated than would be required to run several steam engines along the 115-mile route from Limerick to Sligo. Much of the commentary – if one could even label it that – is little more than the ramblings of a petulant peloton who are outraged at the notion that in a democracy there might be somebody who disagrees with their particular point of view. Indeed, Donald Trump’s early morning tweets seem positively sane in light of some of the recent statements from these wannabe cyclists.

Source:https://irishrailwaydevelopments.wordpress.com/2018/03/06/lets-have-a-little-courage-western-people-editorial-5-march-2018/

westtip

Harcourt Street wrote: »

I love this quote from the Western People which curiously has gone uncommented upon in certain quarters;




Source:https://irishrailwaydevelopments.wordpress.com/2018/03/06/lets-have-a-little-courage-western-people-editorial-5-march-2018/

The WP is largely an irrelevance.

Harcourt Street

westtip wrote: »

The WP is largely an irrelevance.

Not really because it raises the point that the Greenway campaigners have tried to bully opponents into silence. Whats your view on that?

Muckyboots

Harcourt Street wrote: »

westtip wrote: »

The WP is largely an irrelevance.

Not really because it raises the point that the Greenway campaigners have tried to bully opponents into silence. Whats your view on that?

"Petulant peloton" "wanabe cyclists " ...silly alliteration and mixed metaphors from a professional journalist. Other then that it's fair enough. They don't read these posts, surely?

westtip

Harcourt Street wrote: »

Not really because it raises the point that the Greenway campaigners have tried to bully opponents into silence. Whats your view on that?

As a newspaper it is entitled to an opinion, nobody as far as I am aware has bullied anyone, so if the WP is implying such nonsense it is of even less value as an opinion former.

Harcourt Street

Harcourt Street wrote: »

Not really because it raises the point that the Greenway campaigners have tried to bully opponents into silence. Whats your view on that?

Ha, that's hilarious considering WOT representatives shutdown discussions about alternatives on their Facebook page by deleting posts and in the media by stating simply "that's not up for discussion" (I'm paraphrasing).

I'm not aware of anyone being bullied

Differing opinions, obviously

Sick and tired of lame excuses, certainly

Frustrated with the cronyisms that prevent further analysis, without a doubt

Bored of the blatant lies by WOT, most definitely

Bullying, no