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Western Rail Corridor (all disused sections)

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    #2882
    The Idyl Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    sligotrain wrote: »
    Are you implying Corktina has ever won an argument?

    As far as I can see Corktina would reduce the entire railway network to a circular track with plenty of car parking outside Mallow where an 071 could roar round and round all day to his hearts content...:pac:

    Railway? Who needs a railway when we have the Tube of You:



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    #2883
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    sligotrain wrote: »
    Are you implying Corktina has ever won an argument?

    As far as I can see Corktina would reduce the entire railway network to a circular track with plenty of car parking outside Mallow where an 071 could roar round and round all day to his hearts content...:pac:

    far from it, if you read a few of my posts instead of stooping to insults , you'd know that.


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    #2884
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    sligotrain wrote: »
    And Donegal doesn't. Nor does Fermanagh, Cavan, Monagan etc. So you are also distorting the argument to suit your own case.

    I like the way you wade in to defend ninja when he/she was the first one to hurl the insults. I guess that's because ninja says what you agree with isn't it?

    :pac:

    would a line from Limerick to Derry serve those places? I think not.

    incidentally, if you read the quoted post, I was defend ME not Ninja...


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    #2885
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I have never seen any proposal for a northward extension of the WRC beyond Sligo ( and in the general direction of Donegal and Derry) save for the one made by Brian Guckian. The less said of him the better. :)


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    #2886
    sligotrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭sligotrain


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I have never seen any proposal for a northward extension of the WRC beyond Sligo ( and in the general direction of Donegal and Derry) save for the one made by Brian Guckian. The less said of him the better. :)

    Here's a few that might have bypassed your attention:


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    http://www.linkingeuropeanddonegal.org/index.php

    http://www.derryjournal.com/news/local/all-ireland-rail-network-is-the-future-1-4375033


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    #2887
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Will never happen.


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    #2888
    sligotrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭sligotrain


    I actually agree with you - it's unlikely to happen for the foreseeable future.


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    #2889
    flynnlives
    Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    I live in south galway.

    The WRC is a complete and utter waste of money.

    For instance i regular get caught at the various crossing the interced on the n18 and i try and note how many people are actually onboard the trains.

    To date this year i have seen maybe 20 people in total and thats at about 5/6 crossings.

    You will also note the the lights at the stations and car parks in Gort and Ardrahan are on all night even tho they are locked.

    I wonder how much the electricity bill is?

    In particular at Ardrahan because you can see it from the road.

    There is maybe 20 or so massive lights on the go.


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    #2890
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i don't recall that many crossings ....


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    #2891
    flynnlives
    Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    corktina wrote: »
    i don't recall that many crossings ....

    to clarify i got caught at crossings about 5/6 times

    There are two crossings at ardrahan and at tulla irrc


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    #2892
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,686 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    sligotrain wrote: »
    I like the way you wade in to defend ninja when he/she was the first one to hurl the insults. I guess that's because ninja says what you agree with isn't it?

    I did not insult you. Withdraw that.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #2893
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,686 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Idyl Race wrote: »
    The clue is in the word "upgrade".

    And if the 'upgraded' journey time is still 3.5 hours nobody will use it, not to/from Dublin anyway.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #2894
    sligotrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭sligotrain


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Let's achieve transport efficiency in the 21st century by sending people out of their way on 19th century alignments that save them at best a whole ten minutes over a coach which is far cheaper. Yeah, that makes good business sense.
    I'm amazed the Derry line wasn't ripped up years ago. From Belfast it's bad enough but you'd need to have your head examined to take it from Dublin.
    I did not insult you. Withdraw that.

    I have travelled regularly on the Derry line and will continue to do so when it is reopened, so I won't be withdrawing that or any other remark.

    Why not now apologise to Idyl Race for suggesting he needs his head examined. If you are going to dish out insults don't be surprised if people bite back. Maybe next time you won't insult someone who doesn't do what you tell them to do?


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    #2895
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    OH God, are the children reading this ??? :(

    Phase 1 is preserve the Charleville - Limerick and whats left of the Bundoran - Ballyshannon alignment and Athenry - Colooney too I suppose and a bit of the Colooney - Manorhamilton route too I should think.
    Phase 2 is build a greenway on them and add some ducting and dark fibre networks.

    Phase 3 is off in dreamland, not in my lifetime for sure. :)


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    #2896
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,372 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Ya cant be banging facts at poor sligotrain like that westtip. Not fair on the poor lad. :)
    Play nice

    Moderator


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    #2897
    The Idyl Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Let's achieve transport efficiency in the 21st century by sending people out of their way on 19th century alignments that save them at best a whole ten minutes over a coach which is far cheaper. Yeah, that makes good business sense.
    I'm amazed the Derry line wasn't ripped up years ago. From Belfast it's bad enough but you'd need to have your head examined to take it from Dublin.

    And your authority for deciding that is?


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    #2898
    The Idyl Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    sligotrain wrote: »
    I have travelled regularly on the Derry line and will continue to do so when it is reopened, so I won't be withdrawing that or any other remark.

    Why not now apologise to Idyl Race for suggesting he needs his head examined. If you are going to dish out insults don't be surprised if people bite back. Maybe next time you won't insult someone who doesn't do what you tell them to do?

    It's remarkable, a guy has a mickey fit on a bulletin board because Translink upgrade the Derry line. Remember kids, the internet is not real life.


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    #2899
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    ah but shur why would you take the train when you could take instead (a bus with a jacks) sure it may be cheeper but just because something is cheep doesn't automatically make it the best option for everyone, train wins hands down for me all the time because of comfort ease and it takes me right to where i need to go, sure the bus is way cheeper but it just doesn't suit me.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2900
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,686 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Idyl Race wrote: »
    And your authority for deciding that is?

    That subsidising a train service which is only ten minutes faster than a coach is a waste of public funds.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #2901
    sligotrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭sligotrain


    ninja900 wrote: »
    That subsidising a train service which is only ten minutes faster than a coach is a waste of public funds.

    If you take such a hard core Thatcherite view then there is plenty of activities that are a waste of public funds such as dole payments, the medical card and public health in general.


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    #2902
    westtip
    Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    sligotrain wrote: »
    I actually agree with you - it's unlikely to happen for the foreseeable future.

    and our great great grandchildren won't see it either.....


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    #2903
    dermo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭dermo88


    sligotrain

    If you take such a hard core Thatcherite view then there is plenty of activities that are a waste of public funds such as dole payments, the medical card and public health in general.

    Thatcherite. The socialist equivalent of the Goodwin award. People don't die without buses and trains. They die without adequate funds and proper healthcare. What's next? Social justice? I'm just waiting for that one to be thrown into the pile. Its the Texas Hold Em equivalent of bluffing with a 2 and a 4, pretending to hold a pair of Aces, when you actually have nothing and less.

    But don't worry, one day the moderator will be forced to ban one more word by the Railway Reichs Tali-Bahn......or even the entire phrase. "Western Rail Corridor". Along with other offensive references to posh public school names, food items, and more under the crying hand-wringing suffering from the hobby of permanent offence.


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    #2904
    The Idyl Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    dermo88 wrote: »
    sligotrain

    If you take such a hard core Thatcherite view then there is plenty of activities that are a waste of public funds such as dole payments, the medical card and public health in general.

    Thatcherite. The socialist equivalent of the Goodwin award. People don't die without buses and trains. They die without adequate funds and proper healthcare. What's next? Social justice? I'm just waiting for that one to be thrown into the pile. Its the Texas Hold Em equivalent of bluffing with a 2 and a 4, pretending to hold a pair of Aces, when you actually have nothing and less.

    But don't worry, one day the moderator will be forced to ban one more word by the Railway Reichs Tali-Bahn......or even the entire phrase. "Western Rail Corridor". Along with other offensive references to posh public school names, food items, and more under the crying hand-wringing suffering from the hobby of permanent offence.

    Reichs-what? Jesus Dermo, would you ever lay off the portions of rabid dog on a stick or whatever the street vendors are selling out there? You'll do yourself a mischief.


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    #2905
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I think the lowest form of heretic is the likes of that Sponge Bob.....who lives in the West and is from the West. :)


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    #2906
    dermo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭dermo88


    The Idyl Race

    eichs-what? Jesus Dermo, would you ever lay off the portions of rabid dog on a stick or whatever the street vendors are selling out there? You'll do yourself a mischief.

    Brilliant, just utterly brilliant. I'm absolutely laughing at this one. Thank you, you have just made my day. PLEASE take that as a compliment!!

    I can't beat that, its the funniest, most effective, humurous, and sarcastic retort given to me in years.


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    #2907
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,686 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Idyl Race wrote: »
    It's remarkable, a guy has a mickey fit on a bulletin board because Translink upgrade the Derry line. Remember kids, the internet is not real life.

    Who's having a 'mickey fit' ?

    Back on topic, if railfans are happy to pay well in excess of the coach fare to save ten whole minutes, that's up to them you'd think - but it's not, taxpayers subsidise railways.
    Where the railways produce worthwhile social benefits that can justify the cost, that's a good thing, don't get me wrong.
    I'd love to see a high speed Cork-Dublin-Belfast rail corridor. That and Dublin and Cork and, maybe, Galway commuter rail. The rest is going to go, it's just a question of how long we are willing to fund a dying railway.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #2908
    Hungerford
    Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    ninja900 wrote: »
    That subsidising a train service which is only ten minutes faster than a coach is a waste of public funds.

    I'll let you in on a little secret: the coach service is also subsidised.

    In addition, the bus takes a different route to the train.


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    #2909
    westtip
    Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Hungerford wrote: »
    I'll let you in on a little secret: the coach service is also subsidised.

    In addition, the bus takes a different route to the train.

    Coach/bus versus train. train versus coach/bus, is not the real issue here. Getting back on track as in Western Rail Corridor, and I guess as we have sidelined on the Derry - Dublin issue as well, is just how many people are using these routes and do the volumes of people justify a railway. Its not a matter of railway is good because you can get up and have a cup of tea or bus/coach is good because its faster and cheaper - its about capacity of travellers and therefore demand on the services along that route. We all know my view, but it really does come down to the simplicity of demographics. Public transport should be subsidised because it is an enabler in the economy, but it's also right to argue that the most efficient public transport that is appropriate for the volume of passengers and the service levels that can realistically be maintained that should be advocated. On the subject of the WRC southern and northern branch line, the appropriate volume of passengers and the service levels that can realistically be maintained simply do not stack up and this is so often the case in respect of many under achieving old rail lines; the volume of traffic simply does not exist to justify them, you can't have them simply because they are "nice to have". Demographics. plain and simple, we ain't got enough people to support them.


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    #2910
    pigtown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭pigtown


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Who's having a 'mickey fit' ?

    Back on topic, if railfans are happy to pay well in excess of the coach fare to save ten whole minutes, that's up to them you'd think - but it's not, taxpayers subsidise railways.
    Where the railways produce worthwhile social benefits that can justify the cost, that's a good thing, don't get me wrong.
    I'd love to see a high speed Cork-Dublin-Belfast rail corridor. That and Dublin and Cork and, maybe, Galway commuter rail. The rest is going to go, it's just a question of how long we are willing to fund a dying railway.

    Why Galway commuter rail and not Limerick?


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    #2911
    The Idyl Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    dermo88 wrote: »
    The Idyl Race

    eichs-what? Jesus Dermo, would you ever lay off the portions of rabid dog on a stick or whatever the street vendors are selling out there? You'll do yourself a mischief.

    Brilliant, just utterly brilliant. I'm absolutely laughing at this one. Thank you, you have just made my day. PLEASE take that as a compliment!!

    I can't beat that, its the funniest, most effective, humurous, and sarcastic retort given to me in years.

    Thanks Dermo, life on line gets a bit too sanctimonious sometimes. Glad you got a good laugh out of it!


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