North South integration / UTV smear

walrusgumble

FTA69 wrote: »

I don't want to go off topic but just to clarify something about that particular case; much of my family are from that general area and the real reason abuse was directed toward that youngfella was because he was nabbed sending photos of himself having sex with a teenage girl to his buddies, these photos got out in the open somewhat and cause a local furore.

right. i am very much mistaken then. thanks for pointing that out.

if that is the real case, why did the national media
(a) make such a huge issue regarding his religion
(b) refer to his father's past (a & b not relevant then)
(c) make out it was sectarian (seemed strange considering he had being heavily involved in the GAA from a young age)

actually, maybe I don't need to ask,the media in this country are not exactly accurate and or balanced at the best of times. that is very reckless by papers then to put such a slant on the gaa and people in that community - on basis of his religion etc. if i am correct, unionist politicans went on a field day with the sectarian allegations

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/protestant-gaa-star-hounded-out-by-vile-taunts-1049377.html
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ill-go-back-but-gaa-must-stamp-out-abuse-warns-star-darren-1055306.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2204039.ece

why were there no leaks as to the real truth then? that is an awful lot of to swallow for a small area. but, even so, if the public did go mental (natural) why was his religion and background brought into it? how young was this teenage girl?

Fr Tod Umptious

I have not watched UTV in years since it is not on the Sky EPG so I could not comment on their balance or lack of it, also on the GAA issue they have not had the rights to live GAA games for a number of years now so they may not be that willing to show much of it, TV stations usually pip stuff they have rights to

Anyway my beef is with RTE and their over emphasis on reports from Northern Ireland

I have noticed this for years and RTE Radio 1 seem to be the main culprits

I have noticed that often on the morning news bulletins a report on something like a 'Northern Ireland based organizations initiative to supply support service for counciling of Lesbian, Gay and Transgender individuals in the province' would get a higher prominence than a news report on a factory closure in Co. Mayo

It has been this way for years and was worse back in the 80s when 'What is says in the papers' used to include quotes from the likes of the Belfast Telegraph and The Newsletter, now thankfully they focus 99% on what is in the papers in the Republic

My point is that I, and I'd say a lot more, could not give a **** about what happens in NI 90% of the time and would prefer to hear news for my own country i.e. The Republic

walrusgumble

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I have not watched UTV in years since it is not on the Sky EPG so I could not comment on their balance or lack of it, also on the GAA issue they have not had the rights to live GAA games for a number of years now so they may not be that willing to show much of it, TV stations usually pip stuff they have rights to

Anyway my beef is with RTE and their over emphasis on reports from Northern Ireland

I have noticed this for years and RTE Radio 1 seem to be the main culprits

I have noticed that often on the morning news bulletins a report on something like a 'Northern Ireland based organizations initiative to supply support service for counciling of Lesbian, Gay and Transgender individuals in the province' would get a higher prominence than a news report on a factory closure in Co. Mayo

It has been this way for years and was worse back in the 80s when 'What is says in the papers' used to include quotes from the likes of the Belfast Telegraph and The Newsletter, now thankfully they focus 99% on what is in the papers in the Republic

My point is that I, and I'd say a lot more, could not give a **** about what happens in NI 90% of the time and would prefer to hear news for my own country i.e. The Republic

speak for your self with regard to whether southerners care about whats going on in the north. (before you say, whilst I am for a United Ireland - peace and full co-operation between the communities first & foremost though), thats not the reason for me being happy to hear NI coverage (no matter how many times you just want to scream), I would also watch whats going on in London too, but that's just me)

I would imagine something like 'Northern Ireland based organizations initiative to supply support service for counciling of Lesbian, Gay and Transgender individuals in the province' would be pretty big news and worthy of coverage in either jurisdiction, on the basis of how both jurisdictions have greatly moved with the times. I also think its important for accurate up to date coverage in both areas as the north often seems to be a hot topic between "pub talkers and bar stool warriors" here, (i am not saying you btw). There does be a lot of sh*te talk and nonsense talked about both jurisidictions by the other, by people who have no clue about the other areas, yet seem to think they are qualified in spouting out (btw, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, regardless of how onerous it is - just in case i get accused of something).

Nothing had more annoyed me was during the troubles between Nationalist/Republican & Unionist/Loyalist or catholic /protestant or working classes/establishment etc, you could get people who could cite by verse and chapter the rise, cause and problems of incidents like Civil Rights in America, problems and plights of Somalia, China etc - a bit like the way Bono goes on (this is from my experience of listening to friends and strangers) / or knowing everything about socialism/capitalism etc, yet when asked about the problems in the north, they knew nothing, saw nothing, did not want to hear or know about despite it being at most, no more that 100 miles away from their own doorsteps - what's wrong not sexy enough, too boring?. It is possible to look at these events without taking sides, or getting all RA head, 1916-1923 attitude.

One huge problem that occurred in the last number of years was Dublin and London's huge difficulty in being able or wanting to understand the problems of both communities. Thankfully, that, in most parts is a thing of the past.

As important as it is of coverage of closing down business in a remote area, thats what local / provincial papers are suppose to be for. However, of course, anyone who is not from the greater Dublin or Cork area would know that most of the time, the media seem to think Ireland is Dublin/Cork/Limerick etc.

Like it or not, RTE has and intends to continue having an All Ireland coverage! so therefore, it has to cover areas of interest in the 6 counties.

Paul4As

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

As I was saying, GAA isn't more popular than soccer in general. It is however more popular than IFA soccer which I thought we were talking about.

I still say IFA soccer is more popular than GAA...more people play in leagues and amateur-wise...all the leagues and junior football is governed by the IFA!!! More popularity hence!!!
There are also far more games in a soccer season...with the recession not everybody can afford £10 entry for 40 games a season to attend if attendance records is what you are going on!!!
My point with Man U supporters in a previous reply is that you don't have to attend games (such as Cliftonville v Coleraine) to be interested in seeing coverage or the goals!!! I don't travel to Old Trafford to watch Man U play...but I demand to see as many live games on the telly as possible!!!

We'll agree to disagree again...

Fr Tod Umptious

walrusgumble wrote: »

I would imagine something like 'Northern Ireland based organizations initiative to supply support service for counciling of Lesbian, Gay and Transgender individuals in the province'...............................................................................As important as it is of coverage of closing down business in a remote area, thats what local / provincial papers are suppose to be for. However, of course, anyone who is not from the greater Dublin or Cork area would know that most of the time, the media seem to think Ireland is Dublin/Cork/Limerick etc..

The example I gave was just that, an example, on numerous occasions I have heard stories from NI that, in my opinion, would not even merit mention on a news bulletin be placed before real new form the broadcasters own jurisdiction, i.e the Republic of Ireland

I'll update the thread the next time I hear a report that I feel is a good representation of this.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Paul4As wrote: »

I still say IFA soccer is more popular than GAA...more people play in leagues and amateur-wise...all the leagues and junior football is governed by the IFA!!! More popularity hence!!!
There are also far more games in a soccer season...with the recession not everybody can afford £10 entry for 40 games a season to attend if attendance records is what you are going on!!!
My point with Man U supporters in a previous reply is that you don't have to attend games (such as Cliftonville v Coleraine) to be interested in seeing coverage or the goals!!! I don't travel to Old Trafford to watch Man U play...but I demand to see as many live games on the telly as possible!!!

We'll agree to disagree again...

Its TV coverage so I'm not referring to attendence or number of people playing. I'm more of a soccer fan myself and like seeing it on TV but haven't ever played for a team in my life.

Just going from personal experience, no one in college ever talks about IFA games. Plenty of people talk about GAA games or English/Scottish premiership.

Its Ulster Television(by which I mean the six rather than nine county reference) Do you really think IFA is more popular than GAA in Tyrone, Derry, Fermanagh, Down and Armagh? Perhaps in Belfast and the rest of Antrim it is overall, but surely one county shouldn't dictate the coverage which is meant to serve the entire province?

Say hypothetically IFA was more popular, why would UTV not give more preference to IFA and get more viewers? They're not going to get many GAA viewers from the 26 counties because RTE/TV3/TG4 will show them as well.

Paul4As

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Its Ulster Television(by which I mean the six rather than nine county reference) Do you really think IFA is more popular than GAA in Tyrone, Derry, Fermanagh, Down and Armagh? Perhaps in Belfast and the rest of Antrim it is overall, but surely one county shouldn't dictate the coverage which is meant to serve the entire province?

The Belfast Metropolitan Area (Belfast and surrounding commuter towns like Newtownabbey) accounts for a third of the population of Northern Ireland. Surely TV coverage should be mainly governed by opinions of the total population...not by what say Fermanagh (population 55,000) want. Although obviously opinions of rurals areas are important!!!
Also...I would assume Co. Down would have more of an IFA following than GAA considering it has a protestant majority. Although...putting religious beliefs aside...as I've said before...soccer in NI has a target market of 99% of the population (Protestants and Catholics combined!!!) 100% if you include everybody!!!

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Say hypothetically IFA was more popular, why would UTV not give more preference to IFA and get more viewers? They're not going to get many GAA viewers from the 26 counties because RTE/TV3/TG4 will show them as well.

It all depends who is in charge of sport at the UTV...he or she or the decision making team decide what to show and in what order!!! If the head boy or girl likes GAA...then maybe they could be a bit bias in showing more of GAA!!!
I know if I was in charge of Sky Sports programming I'd be trying to get as many Man U games shown live as possible!!! To the detriment of say Liverpool fans!!! People can be bias.

Hopefully UTV continue their great coverage of GAA...and they also give sufficient coverage to the Irish League as well!!!

Soccer is after all Northern Ireland's and the world's most popular sport!!!

walrusgumble

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The example I gave was just that, an example, on numerous occasions I have heard stories from NI that, in my opinion, would not even merit mention on a news bulletin be placed before real new form the broadcasters own jurisdiction, i.e the Republic of Ireland

I'll update the thread the next time I hear a report that I feel is a good representation of this.

don't worry, i fully understand what you are getting at and i respect your opinion. the point i was getting at i suppose was isn't it great that when we do hear from our friends in the north that its not all cars, bombs, shootings, death etc. Finally, we are hearing about progress in democracy (that of course may change by the way things are going) still i long for the day for stormount to get heated over every day issues such as price of petrol and fags,plastic bag leevies milk,farmers allowances etc or when is the pothole outside 45 west mourne street dungannon (made up address) going to be filled or annie the cat was saved by the local bridage etc.

No doubt you are aware of course that for many, particularily in boarder areas or multi firm companies in the south, what goes on in the north economic wise is has very important to those effected in the south.

walrusgumble

Paul4As wrote: »

The Belfast Metropolitan Area (Belfast and surrounding commuter towns like Newtownabbey) accounts for a third of the population of Northern Ireland. Surely TV coverage should be mainly governed by opinions of the total population...not by what say Fermanagh (population 55,000) want. Although obviously opinions of rurals areas are important!!!
Also...I would assume Co. Down would have more of an IFA following than GAA considering it has a protestant majority. Although...putting religious beliefs aside...as I've said before...soccer in NI has a target market of 99% of the population (Protestants and Catholics combined!!!) 100% if you include everybody!!!




It all depends who is in charge of sport at the UTV...he or she or the decision making team decide what to show and in what order!!! If the head boy or girl likes GAA...then maybe they could be a bit bias in showing more of GAA!!!
I know if I was in charge of Sky Sports programming I'd be trying to get as many Man U games shown live as possible!!! To the detriment of say Liverpool fans!!! People can be bias.

Hopefully UTV continue their great coverage of GAA...and they also give sufficient coverage to the Irish League as well!!!

Soccer is after all Northern Ireland's and the world's most popular sport!!!

ya gotta love saturday evenings (admittingly bbc ni)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg

akkadian

walrusgumble wrote: »

ya gotta love saturday evenings (admittingly bbc ni)

http://www.youtube.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg

that's more like it! lol

Bottle_of_Smoke

Paul4As wrote: »

The Belfast Metropolitan Area (Belfast and surrounding commuter towns like Newtownabbey) accounts for a third of the population of Northern Ireland. Surely TV coverage should be mainly governed by opinions of the total population...not by what say Fermanagh (population 55,000) want. Although obviously opinions of rurals areas are important!!!

Right so you only mention fermanagh but by your own statistics two thirds are not the belfast metropolitan area. Should they not be accounted for?

Also...I would assume Co. Down would have more of an IFA following than GAA considering it has a protestant majority. Although...putting religious beliefs aside...as I've said before...soccer in NI has a target market of 99% of the population (Protestants and Catholics combined!!!) 100% if you include everybody!!!

Well maybe its not just governed by catholic/protestant areas and down folk don't care about the IFA. They might not be into GAA but they seem to be far more into english football than IFA. I don't understand why you won't admit this. For example in the 26 counties we all happily admit english football is far more popular than league of ireland football

It all depends who is in charge of sport at the UTV...he or she or the decision making team decide what to show and in what order!!! If the head boy or girl likes GAA...then maybe they could be a bit bias in showing more of GAA!!!
I know if I was in charge of Sky Sports programming I'd be trying to get as many Man U games shown live as possible!!! To the detriment of say Liverpool fans!!! People can be bias.

Hopefully UTV continue their great coverage of GAA...and they also give sufficient coverage to the Irish League as well!!!

I have my doubts - I reckon money rules all

Soccer is after all Northern Ireland's and the world's most popular sport!!!

Never denied that. Only argued against IFA being more popular than GAA

junder

FTA69 wrote: »

I don't want to go off topic but just to clarify something about that particular case; much of my family are from that general area and the real reason abuse was directed toward that youngfella was because he was nabbed sending photos of himself having sex with a teenage girl to his buddies, these photos got out in the open somewhat and cause a local furore.

can you prove this alligation?

Paul4As

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Right so you only mention fermanagh but by your own statistics two thirds are not the belfast metropolitan area. Should they not be accounted for?

The Belfast Metropolitan Area is in both Counties Antrim and Down...Antrim and Down both have a majority Protestant populations...Antrim and Down have a combined population of about 2/3's that of Northern Ireland's population!!! I think their viewpoints are important!!!
As said in my previous thread...opinions of rural areas are important as well!!!
The two best GAA teams in Northern Ireland are Armagh and Tyrone...combined population of the counties is about 300,000...about a 6th of Northern Ireland's population...their views count as well as to what is shown on TV!!!
It is important that Irish culture in Northern Ireland (such as GAA) is shown on UTV...just as it is important British culture culture in Northern Ireland is shown too!!!
Promoting and covering sports such as soccer (which is most importantly watched and played by boths sets of the divide) is crucial in helping build a better Northern Ireland for the future!!!

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Well maybe its not just governed by catholic/protestant areas and down folk don't care about the IFA. They might not be into GAA but they seem to be far more into english football than IFA. I don't understand why you won't admit this. For example in the 26 counties we all happily admit english football is far more popular than league of ireland football

I admit the people of Northern Ireland are more interested in English domestic football...who said I didn't admit it??? Where in my previous posts have I denied this??? Hence the abundance of English Premier League games shown!!! Which I love watching myself!!!


As to the issue mentioned earlier in the thread about a protestant guy in Fermanagh suffering sectarian abuse from GAA players...
he did apparently receive an apology from the GAA and returned to playing..which is good news!!!

Instant Karma

Paul4As wrote: »

I still say IFA soccer is more popular than GAA...more people play in leagues and amateur-wise...all the leagues and junior football is governed by the IFA!!! More popularity hence!!!
There are also far more games in a soccer season...with the recession not everybody can afford £10 entry for 40 games a season to attend if attendance records is what you are going on!!!
My point with Man U supporters in a previous reply is that you don't have to attend games (such as Cliftonville v Coleraine) to be interested in seeing coverage or the goals!!! I don't travel to Old Trafford to watch Man U play...but I demand to see as many live games on the telly as possible!!!

We'll agree to disagree again...

That's just not correct Paul. I don't attend GAA matches myself but even many local club matches and stands attract larger crowds than IFA matches. For County games there are massive crowds also.