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GhostBusters 2016 **SPOILERS FROM POST 1751 ONWARD**
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The money men clearly aren't going out of their way to distance themselves from the publicity a simple tweet like this is bringing but what studio would? Every studio is going to do it's damned hardest to bring in as much cash as possible. I honestly see little difference in the studio not clamping down on the fact that an image like that founds it's way into the public domain and a studio releasing a prestige movie in awards season to garner some press and the potential plaudits an oscar nom brings.silverharp wrote: »its not for me to say who motivated what exactly, but looking at the pix below this looks like they are driving this as a"feminist" movie. So cool , they can have it, but it looks like a movie there is no point taking my son to see because its essentially a chic flick
The fact that you feel like there's no point in bringing your son to this is a real shame though.
As I said earlier, I really look forward to a day where movies can be made, remade, rebooted using different genders/races as the protagonists and nobody bats an eyelid.
Comments like yours further my belief that we are a long way from reaching that point.0 -
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Anyone reckoning that having an all female cast is a gimmick or impacting the quality of the film is very misguided.
Bad scripts, bad acting and bad direction make for a bad movie, not genitals.
Other than that I'm slightly disappointed that we all agree how awful this looks. There's no one to argue with in this thread!
Why are people constantly mistaking gimmick as being an inherently bad thing? Or something that will single handedly destroy something? Or that it means that pointing it out means that someone is afraid of people with vaginas?
OF COURSE the gender switch (not all female cast) was a gimmick. The very fact that it was almost the first thing to be announced 2 years ago, before there was even a plot outline, never mind a bloody script, screams GIMMICK!!!
That doesn't mean that in and of itself it's a bad thing and it certainly doesn't mean that a female cast is a bad thing either. Such an idea is idiocy. But many people are going to be uncomfortable with the gender switch because it's forced.
Put it this way, if 'Ghostbusters' (2016) existed in a world where the 1984 version didn't exist, nobody would have batted an eyelid. It would just be a continuation of Paul Feig's work and those that have worked with him in past films. But the original 'Ghostbusters' does exist, which makes this sub par effort (from what we've seen so far) all the more lamentable.
There's been lot of people looking for a 'Ghostbusters' sequel for a long time. Not me personally, because I couldn't care less and I'm frankly astounded that it has such a large fan base. But what they wanted was a continuation of the series with the established cast, which is gone now with one them being brown bread and the rest way too far over the hill.
They didn't want Malissa McCarthy falling over or making fart jokes, even though they probably laughed at that in 'Bridesmaids'. But to them, that just isn't 'Ghostbusters'.
Frankly, I'm more saddened that we have yet another worthless remake/reboot on our hands instead of something original and worthwhile. Feig and his troupe have shown that they can make entertaining comedic films. I rate 'Bridesmaids' quite highly and like Kristen Wiig in what I've seen her in.
But this is just another attempt to suck some dollars out of people by conning them with an already well known title.0 -
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TBH, I wish people would stop using this "you just can't handle the cast being female" excuse to dismiss any criticism leveled at the movie. Other reboots like Terminator and Robocop received similar criticisms. This isn't about some deep seeded aversion to female actors, it's about a lazy reboot of a loved classic starring some very marmite actors getting criticized for having every existing concern confirmed in the trailer.Deleted User wrote: »This thread makes for incredibly sad reading, the vitriol aimed at the film due to the casting is disgusting. I'd sooner watch any of these four leads over Bill Murray, a man whose ex-wife accused him of  “adultery, addiction to marijuana and alcohol, abusive behavior, physical abuse, sexual addictions and frequent abandonmentâ€. It's sad to see how so many people on her view women, if this had been a film with four male leads there wouldn't be a tenth the criticism and anger. I'm just glad that my little 8 year old brother who loves ghostbusters is excited to see it and has no problem with a female led film. Saying that,isn't it a little bit sad that so many grown men are getting this upset over what is by and large a kids film
I'm never getting my wish
On a certain level I kinda find it funny that the people most hung up about the gender issue and keep bringing it up are people insisting that we should give the movie a break because there's women in it... shouldn't the movie be allowed stand on its own two feet instead of using "but it's progressive" as a crutch.
Maybe the hate is worse on the likes of Twitter but Twitter is a breeding ground for closed minded opinions and hate in 160 characters.
BTW, what has Bill Murray's (fantastic actor) personal life have to do with his movies?0 -
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FunLover18 wrote: »There's no doubt they've used the same blueprint I see little evidence to suggest they're the same characters. Zeddmore wasn't a brash, shouty street wise black character. 'non-black scientist' is not a character description.
As for the McKinnon/Egon comparison, sure they've both got glasses and sticky up hair but I think it's clear from the body language and costumes we've seen that McKinnon is not going to be the nerd of the group. I haven't watched the original in a while but I can't imagine Egon messing around with wigs and hats.
As with 'non-scientist black', ' paranormal scientist' is not a character description it's a job description. The scene in the trailer with Wiig doing the finger point in class indicates to me that she's insecure and wants to be seen as the cool professor, a character we didn't didn't see in the original. I think/hope from the lighter tone and humour on display in the trailer we're not going to get Aykroyd and Murray impressions and we're going to get a different team dynamic.
I have no problem with people thinking this looks ****, people have different tastes and different senses of humour and if I'm wrong about the above and they do end being carbon copies I'll be disappointed like a lot of people but there is no denying that there is a faction who have a problem with the gender swap. Cork_Exile referred to the original franchise as a "male vehicle" and silverharp said "it is essentially a chick flick", it's a concern they themselves have brought up.
This is getting a little bit pedantic (I blame myself too). I never claimed they were the exact same character. For a start, the original Ghostbusters were all men so unless there's some aging-reversing, gender swapping story kept under wraps, these are different characters :pac:
The issue I have is, to use your own term, that they copied the blueprint of the original characters to the point where they could sue themselves for copyright infringement (if you get me). The objective of the casting & character choices is a clear attempt to replicate the original team. I mean come on, the only non-scientist in this also happens to be black. They're not even trying to hide that they are replicating the original team. Yes, each of the actors will bring something new to the story (not necessarily a good thing from what I've seen in the trailer) but the plan is clear - stick to the formula of the original. To me, that's just lazy and the trailer did nothing to make me think this effort will capture any of the greatness of the originals.
McKinnon looks totally like the nerd (Egon) of the group btw, she's just a 21st century nerd
FWIW, she's the only character that looks interesting in this. 0 -
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