Liverpool vs. Arsenal 13/12/09 (MOD NOTE: #119 and OP)

Nemanja91 · 13-12-2009 5:15pm

gerrards a disgrace to football

whatawaster · 13-12-2009 5:16pm

Nemanja91 wrote: »

gerrards a disgrace to football

why?

amacachi · 13-12-2009 5:16pm

How that's not a penalty is beyond me. If Gerrard hadn't gone down like he'd been shot it would've been given.

Xavi6 · 13-12-2009 5:16pm

Nemanja91 wrote: »

gerrards a disgrace to football

If you're only here on a wind up then don't post in the thread again.

Royale with Cheese · 13-12-2009 5:16pm

If Vermaelen runs up and tries to play centre forward again Wenger should take him off and have him shot.

ctrl-alt-delete · 13-12-2009 5:16pm

I condemned him against Blackburn,

But i'd have that as a peno, Gerrard hit it a bit too far ahead, but Gallas was nowhere near the ball and obviously caught Gerrard.

Hank Scorpio · 13-12-2009 5:16pm

Nemanja91 wrote: »

gerrards a disgrace to football

he was clearly taken down there in fairness, problem was he pushed the ball so far ahead of himself he wouldnt have been able to get it

Frisbee · 13-12-2009 5:16pm

Gerrard never would have caught it though so imo shouldn't have been a peno.

However referee's always give them so I'm very suprised it wasn't given. Very clumsy from Gallas

paul150 · 13-12-2009 5:17pm

If that wasnt a penalty gerrard should have been booked imo if refs are gona be consistent

Bobalicious93 · 13-12-2009 5:17pm

amacachi wrote: »

How that's not a penalty is beyond me. If Gerrard hadn't gone down like he'd been shot it would've been given.

It's not a penalty because the ball was nearly out of play by the time of the foul. Therefore Gallas wasn't denying a goalscoring opportunity.

mayordenis · 13-12-2009 5:18pm

Frisbee wrote: »

Gerrard never would have caught it though so imo shouldn't have been a peno.

However referee's always give them so I'm very suprised it wasn't given. Very clumsy from Gallas

You actually can't foul people off the ball. It was a penalty definately.

kenon · 13-12-2009 5:18pm

paul150 wrote: »

If that wasnt a penalty gerrard should have been booked imo if refs are gona be consistent

It wasnt a dive either.

Sherifu · 13-12-2009 5:18pm

Was a pen for me.

mayordenis · 13-12-2009 5:18pm

Nemanja91 wrote: »

gerrards a disgrace to football

stupid post.

Mushy · 13-12-2009 5:18pm

Frisbee wrote: »

Gerrard never would have caught it though so imo shouldn't have been a peno.

However referee's always give them so I'm very suprised it wasn't given. Very clumsy from Gallas

Def why I think it wasn't given. No control over ball, doubtful he would've scored from it.

The Muppet · 13-12-2009 5:18pm

Should have been a pen for Gerrard.

Mikeyt086 · 13-12-2009 5:18pm

Stonewall pen.

monkey9 · 13-12-2009 5:19pm

Also, Gallas should be sent off as well as Liverpool having the pen. He probably score from a corner or something :rolleyes:

dannydiamond · 13-12-2009 5:19pm

Frisbee wrote: »

Gerrard never would have caught it though so imo shouldn't have been a peno.

Irrelevant where the ball is though, clear penalty.

Nemanja91 · 13-12-2009 5:20pm

it wasnt really a lunge by gallas it looked more like a tackle that he pulled out of which made it look a bit like a stumble, smart play

howard would also have been aware of gerrard trying to milk every situation

OPENROAD · 13-12-2009 5:20pm

Deffo pen but will gladly take that bit of luck

The Muppet · 13-12-2009 5:20pm

monkey9 wrote: »

Also, Gallas should be sent off as well as Liverpool having the pen. He probably score from a corner or something :rolleyes:

Gallas being sent off would be harsh.

Frisbee · 13-12-2009 5:20pm

mayordenis wrote: »

You actually can't foul people off the ball. It was a penalty definately.

I'm amazed it wasn't given, they get given week in, week out.

However any penalty that is given like that where the player isn't going to catch the ball shouldn't be given imo.

We're being forced to go down our right constantly, Nasri is drifting inside far too much, giving us no option down than side.

ctrl-alt-delete · 13-12-2009 5:20pm

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

It's not a penalty because the ball was nearly out of play by the time of the foul. Therefore Gallas wasn't denying a goalscoring opportunity.

In my opinion though denying Gerrard the chance of getting to the ball is denying a goalscoring opportunity. Gallas was nowhere near the ball and got a big lump of Gerrard.

Such is the way it is though, would be interesting to see why Webb didnt give it, considering he had a great view. No consistency again.

whatawaster · 13-12-2009 5:21pm

Nemanja91 wrote: »

it wasnt really a lunge by gallas it looked more like a tackle that he pulled out of which made it look a bit like a stumble, smart play

howard would also have been aware of gerrard trying to milk every situation

cop on

Bobalicious93 · 13-12-2009 5:21pm

The linesman looks like he doesn't know how he got here...

whatawaster · 13-12-2009 5:21pm

Frisbee wrote: »

I'm amazed it wasn't given, they get given week in, week out.

However any penalty that is given like that where the player isn't going to catch the ball shouldn't be given imo.

We're being forced to go down our right constantly, Nasri is drifting inside far too much, giving us no option down than side.

can you foul players off the ball?

monkey9 · 13-12-2009 5:22pm

The Muppet wrote: »

That would be harsh.

Well , i don't agree with the rule cos i think a peno is enough. But if the peno had been given, the ref would have no choice!

jaykay74 · 13-12-2009 5:22pm

Stonewall pen but as Ronaldo found out sometimes if you are a bit too clever it comes back to haunt you in the following weeks.

Fancy liverpool strongly after good opening to the game

amacachi · 13-12-2009 5:22pm

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

It's not a penalty because the ball was nearly out of play by the time of the foul. Therefore Gallas wasn't denying a goalscoring opportunity.

Goalscoring opportunity is completely irrelevant.

Bobalicious93 · 13-12-2009 5:23pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

In my opinion though denying Gerrard the chance of getting to the ball is denying a goalscoring opportunity. Gallas was nowhere near the ball and got a big lump of Gerrard.

Would you not agree that the 'opportunity' is gone the second Gerrard hits the ball so far ahead of him?

mayordenis · 13-12-2009 5:23pm

monkey9 wrote: »

Well , i don't agree with the rule cos i think a peno is enough. But if the peno had been given, the ref would have no choice!

Well it's a foul because he tackled the player and not the ball, so it should be a pen, however he probably wasn't stoping a clear goal scoring opportunity so no red imo.

Holsten · 13-12-2009 5:24pm

Oh my god... so many chances.... ugh!!!!!!!!1

amacachi · 13-12-2009 5:24pm

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

Would you not agree that the 'opportunity' is gone the second Gerrard hits the ball so far ahead of him?

So kneeing someone in the face when the ball is out of play because you're not denying a goalscoring opportunity?

dannydiamond · 13-12-2009 5:25pm

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

Would you not agree that the 'opportunity' is gone the second Gerrard hits the ball so far ahead of him?

lol, why are you all arguing about this? If the ball was at the halfway line it'd still be a pen.

ilovelamp2000 · 13-12-2009 5:26pm

Mushy wrote: »

Def why I think it wasn't given. No control over ball, doubtful he would've scored from it.

I'll quote the Football rules for your benefit then.

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by
a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball,provided it is in play.

Webb has ****ed up yet again.

monkey9 · 13-12-2009 5:26pm

mayordenis wrote: »

Well it's a foul because he tackled the player and not the ball, so it should be a pen, however he probably wasn't stoping a clear goal scoring opportunity so no red imo.

It's a pain in the balls that it wasnt given, but probably karma for Ngog's dive against Birmingham

Bobalicious93 · 13-12-2009 5:26pm

amacachi wrote: »

So kneeing someone in the face when the ball is out of play because you're not denying a goalscoring opportunity?

Violent conduct. Completely different

ctrl-alt-delete · 13-12-2009 5:26pm

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

Would you not agree that the 'opportunity' is gone the second Gerrard hits the ball so far ahead of him?

It's had to say if he would have got to it or not, but if he hit it so far ahead of him what was Gallas doing jumping in like that? i think that's the important bit, he clearly fouled Gerrard, possession of the ball can still be 2nd to that i think.

edit - considering if it happened outside the box, or on the wings, it is a free everytime.

Mushy · 13-12-2009 5:27pm

amacachi wrote: »

So kneeing someone in the face when the ball is out of play because you're not denying a goalscoring opportunity?

Whats the question? Are ya asking is it ok? I don't think it should've been given, as the opportunity had clearly gone. If ya did knee someone in the face, off he goes....dunno would a free follow though.

Frisbee · 13-12-2009 5:27pm

whatawaster wrote: »

can you foul players off the ball?

Of course not. But penalise Gallas and you have to give the penalty.

If the ref wanted to be consistent it should have been given, absolutely.

But imo I just don't think if the player won't get the ball it shouldn't be a penalty.

whatawaster · 13-12-2009 5:28pm

mascherano down. s*it. he's been immense today.

mayordenis · 13-12-2009 5:28pm

monkey9 wrote: »

It's a pain in the balls that it wasnt given, but probably karma for Ngog's dive against Birmingham

Yea I'll accept that. However I still argue Carsley sliding in front of N'gog impeded his way and as such was still a pen :pac:

Mushy · 13-12-2009 5:28pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

It's had to say if he would have got to it or not, but if he hit it so far ahead of him what was Gallas doing jumping in like that? i think that's the important bit, he clearly fouled Gerrard, possession of the ball can still be 2nd to that i think.

edit - considering if it happened outside the box, or on the wings, it is a free everytime.

From what I saw Gallas went to make the challenge before Gerard made the last touch that took it away from him.

Holsten · 13-12-2009 5:28pm

Oh ****.

OPENROAD · 13-12-2009 5:29pm

monkey9 wrote: »

It's a pain in the balls that it wasnt given, but probably karma for Ngog's dive against Birmingham

Spot on Sometimes you get decisions you shouldn't get, sometimes you don't get decisions you should get

dannydiamond · 13-12-2009 5:29pm

This is fantastic stuff from 'Pool.Can''t remember the last time we looked so dangerous,and played with such a high tempo.

Nemanja91 · 13-12-2009 5:29pm

mayordenis wrote: »

Yea I'll accept that. However I still argue Carsley sliding in front of N'gog impeded his way and as such was still a pen :pac:

and he couldnt just jump over the tackle

amacachi · 13-12-2009 5:29pm

Mushy wrote: »

Whats the question? Are ya asking is it ok? I don't think it should've been given, as the opportunity had clearly gone. If ya did knee someone in the face, off he goes....dunno would a free follow though.

I'm saying whether or not there's a goalscoring opportunity is completely irrelevant, he was tripped in the penalty area, it should be a penalty. The position of the ball doesn't matter in the rules.

ilovelamp2000 · 13-12-2009 5:30pm

dannydiamond wrote: »

This is fantastic stuff from 'Pool.Can''t remember the last time we looked so dangerous,and played with such a high tempo.

I'd hazard a guess and say the last time we looked like this was the last time Torres was fully fit.

Liverpool vs. Arsenal 13/12/09 (MOD NOTE: #119 and OP)

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