RATM Killing in the Name Christmas No.1??

projectmayhem · 21-12-2009 10:53am

ride-the-spiral wrote: »

as Tom Morello said, that alot of people are sick of mediocrity.

That's why no one bought into Audioslave

thorbarry · 21-12-2009 11:09am

projectmayhem wrote: »

That's why no one bought into Audioslave

haha

I'm so glad this got to number one. RATM got me through secondary school

"Fcuk you I wont do what you tell me"

frag420 · 21-12-2009 12:58pm

nedtheshed wrote: »

If Jeff Buckley couldnt do it last year then what hope does this have?

Nada.

swish..............................

Kess73 · 21-12-2009 1:08pm

projectmayhem wrote: »

That's why no one bought into Audioslave

Feck off, I did.

Crann na Beatha · 21-12-2009 1:13pm

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calex71 · 21-12-2009 4:12pm

Sony must be wetting themselves laughing all the way to the bank at all of this with 2 of their artists holding the top 2 positions in the UK chart :mad:

I understand the sentiment behind all of this just would have been better to have chosen a small indie artist.

cournioni · 21-12-2009 4:35pm

Just in case no one has seen it yet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsg8AHdlKUY

amacachi · 21-12-2009 4:39pm

calex71 wrote: »

Sony must be wetting themselves laughing all the way to the bank at all of this with 2 of their artists holding the top 2 positions in the UK chart :mad:

I understand the sentiment behind all of this just would have been better to have chosen a small indie artist.

Let's see, Killing in the Name, 29p a go, half a million downloads, gives total revenue of around £145,000 total, even forgetting that many of the downloads were done on free promotions let's just look at that 145k. Roughly what percentage of that do you think gets near Sony? Very feckin little would be my answer.

Anyway it's not about sticking it to Sony, I don't see why people can't get that.

qvsr46ofgc792k · 21-12-2009 4:43pm

ADTR wrote: »

Not gonna happen.

how much do you charge for a tarot reading?

thorbarry · 21-12-2009 5:04pm

amacachi wrote: »

Let's see, Killing in the Name, 29p a go, half a million downloads, gives total revenue of around £145,000 total, even forgetting that many of the downloads were done on free promotions let's just look at that 145k. Roughly what percentage of that do you think gets near Sony? Very feckin little would be my answer.

Anyway it's not about sticking it to Sony, I don't see why people can't get that.

Very good point. I'm sick of hearing this "sony laughing all the way to the bank". Its not about sony, its about sticking it to X-factor, and to be fair, Rage are the exact opposite of X-factor. Killing in the name was the perfect song choice. Sure i guess what ever happens, people are still going to be moaning

flutes · 21-12-2009 5:14pm

So to keep everyone happy, after the christmas chart is finished we'll start a facebook campaign to boycott all sony products up to the sum of €1,000,000, that should cover it, and as soon as the process has been reversed the boycott can be called off and everything can go back to normal

there'll have to be a decision to see if Shelter should be boycotted up to €100,000 too

dasdog · 21-12-2009 5:44pm

The only downside to this is Killing in the name has been stuck in my head since I watched the RATM "victory" performance of it yesterday.

Mushy · 21-12-2009 5:48pm

Love the way Rage were called 'a little known punk-metal band' in the Irish Times today. Little known and there they were playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people on their tour just last year....wonder will Joe have that for his *snigger* reunion show:pac:

cournioni · 21-12-2009 6:16pm

Mushy wrote: »

Love the way Rage were called 'a little known punk-metal band' in the Irish Times today. Little known and there they were playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people on their tour just last year....wonder will Joe have that for his *snigger* reunion show:pac:

Not to mention Oxegen headliners two years ago...

Otis Driftwood · 21-12-2009 6:19pm

I have to say I am incredibly surprised this happened.Im also feckin delighted.

ride-the-spiral · 21-12-2009 6:20pm

Well at least they didn't call them The Machine Rages On

Keyzer · 21-12-2009 6:20pm

Mushy wrote: »

Love the way Rage were called 'a little known punk-metal band' in the Irish Times today. Little known and there they were playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people on their tour just last year....wonder will Joe have that for his *snigger* reunion show:pac:

This just re-enforces the whole idea behind this campaign - if the person who wrote that article had any clue about music then they would not have referred to Rage as "little known"...

I'm glad they got to number one and I'm glad they pissed a lot of people off - X-Factor is a joke, as Zach De La Rocha said himself, its a show which enables Simon Cowell to humiliate people for entertainment purposes.

Mushy · 21-12-2009 6:26pm

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Not to mention Oxegen headliners two years ago...

I know, thats exactly what I mean. Huge fanfare for their return and they be called 'little known'. Feckin tard whoever wrote it.

DazMarz · 21-12-2009 7:28pm

I'm not a huge fan of RATM, I like their work, but I don't LOVE it. But for anyone to say they are ''little known'' is an utter joke. Their music is used in many high-profile areas (movies, video games etc.) and I find their music to be one of the most readily-identifiable sounds going in music today. They are one of the biggest metal/nu-metal/rap-metal/punk/punk-metal/whatever-genre-they-fit-into bands going and have been a HUGE influence on... well, countless bands. ''Little known'' my bollocks.

Was delighted that this happened, just to piss off Simon Cowell... ''X Factor'' my bollocks.:D

projectmayhem · 21-12-2009 7:37pm

So, Christmas 2010, lets buy this Joe from X Factor chaps single.

steveone · 21-12-2009 9:42pm

Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant:D:D:D.. take back control of the media.!! I love it.
It reminds me of when they switched over the top ten from the gallup polls on sales to downloads. all the mainstream stations were playing fall out boy etc ha... poor old larry gogan:D

NIBBS · 22-12-2009 9:35am

projectmayhem wrote: »

So, Christmas 2010, lets buy this Joe from X Factor chaps single.

should probably wait till the year after for that - I'm pretty sure their timline is to get the winning act on the X-Factor Tour, record an album that the apparent artist has no control over at all and then start selling that coming up to Christmas next year, so by Feb the following year they will have dropped the lad from his contract and he'll be back tryin to get a job........

there aren't too many X-Factor/Pop Idol/Pop Stars winners with good careers in music are there ???

I think I would only point to Will Young, and he I'm pretty sure pulled away from the crap they wanted him to record.........Leona Lewis is clearly selling big numbers at the moment, but that doesn't really mean anything just yet as she's another clone........and the one from last year well I can't see her lasting long either...........although it sickens me that I actually went to the bother of looking up the winners on Wikipedia they haven't got a good record at launching careers - just getting big sales for the single/album that is heavily contracted towards the Cowell empire....

Cianos · 22-12-2009 10:20am

steveone wrote: »

Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant:D:D:D.. take back control of the media.!! I love it.
It reminds me of when they switched over the top ten from the gallup polls on sales to downloads. all the mainstream stations were playing fall out boy etc ha... poor old larry gogan:D

Oh come on, think about what you're saying for one second. This has changed nothing. How is this displaying more control over the media? Its not about "control". All it is showing is that one marketing campaign was more successful than another. No different to Pepsi being the number one soft drink for Christmas over Coca Cola.

It's interesting how dilussional people who campaign for a cause can be to the effect of what change will be brought about from that cause, especially when actioning that cause does nothing to change the rules or principals of it's context.

NIBBS · 22-12-2009 11:04am

Cianos wrote: »

Oh come on, think about what you're saying for one second. This has changed nothing. How is this displaying more control over the media? Its not about "control". All it is showing is that one marketing campaign was more successful than another. No different to Pepsi being the number one soft drink for Christmas over Coca Cola.

It's interesting how dilussional people who campaign for a cause can be to the effect of what change will be brought about from that cause, especially when actioning that cause does nothing to change the rules or principals of it's context.

You are 100% correct of course, but it would be nice to think that the whole Reality TV phase was coming to an end, or at least that it would stop dominating TV and Music from a pop culture point of view, people just seem to buy into any old crap that's put in front of them, and the general public are definitely more like sheep than ever before.............either way it doesn't matter to me, I'm just happy that there's a Christmas numer 1 that I can listen to again.......

robby^5 · 22-12-2009 12:01pm

Cianos wrote: »

No different to Pepsi being the number one soft drink for Christmas over Coca Cola.

Not at all, this was social newtworking by regular people vs a pr machine.

Cianos · 22-12-2009 12:20pm

robby^5 wrote: »

Not at all, this was social newtworking by regular people vs a pr machine.

It began as an idea that developed in to a powerful viral marketing presence for a big label band. But there has been no change in control, no 'power to the people' element to it at all. The dynamics are still the same, it just so happens that Band X have sold more than Band Y. The flow of capital is making its way to the same bottom line. From a media perspective something like this may appear to give two fingers to the industry, or X-Factor, or Cowell or whoever, but from the perspective of the industry it has just been an interesting deviation in consumer habits and a very profitable one at that.

The best thing about it for Sony is that they didn't have to lift a finger, and all these people, a lot of whom would never buy a Christmas single, rushed out to spend their money thinking they were being anti establishment. (lol at the irony of that btw)

And what a lot of people seem to be ignoring is the fact that the consumer always has control. It is the consumer who decides to buy or not buy. And if people want to spend their money on over produced, generic and formulaic chart sh!te, let them, because it's their choice, they are in control of their wallet, and they obviously get enjoyment out of the music. But calling them sheep is snobbery at its finest, especially when the reason one is buying a song is anything but for the sake of the enjoyment of the music (which applies to 99% of the people who bought RATM).

Notorious · 22-12-2009 2:21pm

Cianos wrote: »

The best thing about it for Sony is that they didn't have to lift a finger, and all these people, a lot of whom would never buy a Christmas single, rushed out to spend their money thinking they were being anti establishment. (lol at the irony of that btw)

The point of the campaign wasn't really to screw over 'the man' in fairness. It's common knowledge that both Rage Against the Machine and Simon Cowell are both signed by companies owned by Sony. Sony's big wigs will win no matter who the number one spot went to.

The point was more to attempt to prevent the winner of a reality show taking the hot seat. If anything it shows Simon and Joe that the winner of the show doesn't automatically get the number one spot.

I thought it was laughable that Joe came out and said that RATM's music was terrible and that they'd never survive in X Factor boot camp. To think that surviving X Factor boot camp is what makes you a successful musician shows how far away from the music industry Joe actually is.

Max Power1 · 22-12-2009 4:01pm

robby^5 wrote: »

Not at all, this was social newtworking by regular people vs a pr machine.

+1

How was this a RATM marketing success? THERE WAS NO MARKETING!!!!

cournioni · 22-12-2009 4:25pm

Max Power1 wrote: »

+1

How was this a RATM marketing success? THERE WAS NO MARKETING!!!!

Hardly any air time either...

RATM Killing in the Name Christmas No.1??

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