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Upgrading Processor/Graphics Card Dell Dimension E520
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15-12-2009 8:25pm#1
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yeah, i definately think that would be better than trying to reuse your current one. You do realise you've nearly replaced everything, might be good to sell that yoke and get everything you wantpistolpetes11 wrote: »Would I be better off just getting a new PSU something along the line of
Corsair VX450W, it would only add €50 onto the bill
Yes the 5770 is a much better choice than the Quadro( which is ment for CAD work etc. not games ), that asus 5770 is a good choice as its under warranty for messing with the voltages( which can get you a really really good overclock with it ).
As for the P55 mobos, see if theres an Asus( Asustek ) P55 mobo in that list of yours 0 -
yeah, i definately think that would be better than trying to reuse your current one. You do realise you've nearly replaced everything, might be good to sell that yoke and get everything you want
Yes the 5770 is a much better choice than the Quadro( which is ment for CAD work etc. not games ), that asus 5770 is a good choice as its under warranty for messing with the voltages( which can get you a really really good overclock with it ).
As for the P55 mobos, see if theres an Asus( Asustek ) P55 mobo in that list of yours
There is an Asus one
ASUS P7P55D PRO
P7P55D PRO - Motherboard - ATX - iP55 - LGA1156 Socket - UDMA133, Serial ATA-300 (RAID), eSATA - Gigabit Ethernet - FireWire - High Definition Audio (8-channel)
So if I were to build from scratch with a case , would I go with something like this :
Antec Nine Hundred
Nine Hundred/Ultimate Gamer Case- no PSU - 3x120mm and 1x200mm fan ,perforated front bezel,2xfront loaded HDD cages,takes mATX and ATX motherboards
Would I need much more or could I use the connectors, optical drive, hard drive from the old machine ?
This could end up a very enjoyable Xmas project !0 -
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are there any other asus mobos there, its a decent enough mobo, just doesnt have a POST diagnostics display( very very useful if youre not used to building ) or external CMOS reset( very very useful if you mess up and overclock )pistolpetes11 wrote: »There is an Asus one
ASUS P7P55D PRO
P7P55D PRO - Motherboard - ATX - iP55 - LGA1156 Socket - UDMA133, Serial ATA-300 (RAID), eSATA - Gigabit Ethernet - FireWire - High Definition Audio (8-channel)
So if I were to build from scratch with a case , would I go with something like this :
Antec Nine Hundred
Nine Hundred/Ultimate Gamer Case- no PSU - 3x120mm and 1x200mm fan ,perforated front bezel,2xfront loaded HDD cages,takes mATX and ATX motherboards
Would I need much more or could I use the connectors, optical drive, hard drive from the old machine ?
This could end up a very enjoyable Xmas project !
That Antec 900 is a good case but isint toolless and from some reviews they say its a bit cramped, any other Antec cases in that list?
Id try and flog your current rig for ~200euro, the money you get from that would get you a good case, psu, harddrive( latest/fastest ) and dvd R/W and you'd still have change to spare and also you'd have the new warranties on that new stuff compared to gutting your old rig. Youll get all the connectors with the new components. you dont need anything extra other than: cpu, ram, mobo, case, psu, gfx card, harddrive, and dvd drive, maybe an xfi soundcard
Building is funnnnnnnnnnnnn 0 -
are there any other asus mobos there, its a decent enough mobo, just doesnt have a POST diagnostics display( very very useful if youre not used to building ) or external CMOS reset( very very useful if you mess up and overclock )
That Antec 900 is a good case but isint toolless and from some reviews they say its a bit cramped, any other Antec cases in that list?
Id try and flog your current rig for ~200euro, the money you get from that would get you a good case, psu, harddrive( latest/fastest ) and dvd R/W and you'd still have change to spare and also you'd have the new warranties on that new stuff compared to gutting your old rig. Youll get all the connectors with the new components. you dont need anything extra other than: cpu, ram, mobo, case, psu, gfx card, harddrive, and dvd drive, maybe an xfi soundcard
Building is funnnnnnnnnnnnn
ASUS P7P55D Deluxe
ASUS P7P55 LX
ASUS P7P55D-E Premium
ASUS P7P55D-E Deluxe
ASUS P7P55D-E EVO
ASUS P7P55D-E PRO
ASUS P7P55D Premium
Antec Nine Hundred Two
Antec Mini Skeleton-90
It has a load of cases on it any particular one I should be on the look out for ?0 -
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Those old 305W Deltas are allegedly under-rated and can hit nearly 350W; they're a lot more modern than most PSUs of the era. You could probably stick a HD5750 in there but no higher. Odds are it lacks the PCIe connector anyway (didn't stop a flood of people sticking 8800GTs in them back in the day though
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There are bigger issues: the best CPU you can possibly upgrade to is a Q6700; 965G can't handle the newer 45nm CPUs. After that you have to replace the case and PSU as well as the mobo as its all feckin' BTX :mad: Curse you Dell!
Past the CPU/GPU upgrade above the cost spirals out of control very quick owing to the added costs of a new case and PSU :rolleyes: You could recycle the RAM if its 800MHz or faster (or 667MHz CL4) and you use an AM3 CPU in conjunction with a newish AM2 mobo (as those still use DDR2); if you want something newer and better you'll be stuck buying 4GB of new DDR3 which will hurt; memory is dog expensive at the moment :mad: Suffice to say even if you recycle the drives and take full advantage of your industry contacts I don't see any LGA1156 build coming in anywhere in the vicinity of €500; it'll be out of the ballpark and halfway to the moon! :eek:0 -
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quite easy to do, ran my old P4 2.4Ghz and 2.8Ghz no problem.
thats fair enough, he's asking for advice on components, i.e. to replace them himself, and if he has any issue we're always here to help.
please read my post after that, i.e. i5
please read the whole thread.
And yes i already raised the PSU issue.
Cmon lads read the whole thread, its established that he's going i5, new psu, ATI 5770 and maybe a complete new rig
Hi Lads,
After getting very helpful advice from Imimmfn last night I decided to go for a complete new build , I have a fair idea on the components again after advice from Imimmfn.
I know I wont be any where near my original budget , but if I am going to build myself I am prepared to spend the extra for something really good and powerful.
I will post up a costing on the system when I have it all decided on what I am going to go with.
I have been snowed under all day with work and have not had a chance to do it yet.
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cheers mate, yeah post the final prices so we can determine if cheaper components that you cant acquire from the list are available elsewhere.pistolpetes11 wrote: »Hi Lads,
After getting very helpful advice from Imimmfn last night I decided to go for a complete new build , I have a fair idea on the components again after advice from Imimmfn.
I know I wont be any where near my original budget , but if I am going to build myself I am prepared to spend the extra for something really good and powerful.
I will post up a costing on the system when I have it all decided on what I am going to go with.
I have been snowed under all day with work and have not had a chance to do it yet.
Thanks for all the helpful comments
yep, been there, done that, got the tshirt and felt the damn pain of a completely non upgradeable system.Yup a new PC will be infinitely better, but tinkering with dells, thats on a whole other level0 -
Through everyones posting nobody has asked him what resolution the screen he's gaming on is! :eek:
Also it's debatable whether a quad is a good idea for a gaming rig or not and it's usually seen as the only way to really "futureproof" your build aside from getting a bit more juice in your psu, but now all of a sudden do we need i5's?
The answer is no.
How much does one gain from getting an i5 over a Phenom II? Probably not anything noticeable, unless maybe you have a very high end card in it too or are playing the most stressful game ever! Not worth the cost for the op though...
Be interesting to know what speed the ram is in his machine, because an am2 build would be kewl if he could reuse his ram as Solitaire was saying.
Also op you should really post up all the prices that you're paying for the components. Even if you're getting the VAT off, sometimes when you don't get the usual products from companies that would generally be supplying business grade components, they could be charging well over the real world price(too tired to word properly soz hope you understand).
Also don't forget to mention what resolution you'll be playing it on!
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are there any other asus mobos there, its a decent enough mobo, just doesnt have a POST diagnostics display( very very useful if youre not used to building ) or external CMOS reset( very very useful if you mess up and overclock )
That Antec 900 is a good case but isint toolless and from some reviews they say its a bit cramped, any other Antec cases in that list?
Id try and flog your current rig for ~200euro, the money you get from that would get you a good case, psu, harddrive( latest/fastest ) and dvd R/W and you'd still have change to spare and also you'd have the new warranties on that new stuff compared to gutting your old rig. Youll get all the connectors with the new components. you dont need anything extra other than: cpu, ram, mobo, case, psu, gfx card, harddrive, and dvd drive, maybe an xfi soundcard
Building is funnnnnnnnnnnnn
My rig consists of the following,
OS:Vista HP x32
Case: Antec 900 with a psu flip mod and cable management
Motherboard: Asus P5-nt deluxe
CPU: Intel e8400 overclocked at 4ghz
Ram: 2gb Corsair Dominator 1066mhz
GPU: BFG 8800GTS 512mb (g92 version) overclocked
Storage: 2x 160gb in RAID-0 and 1 250gb main drive for OS
I havnt had any problems with this case other than dust problems
I love my pc and have never had any heat/hardware problems with it, i put it together myself just over a year ago now, considering upgrading now.
edit: although i want a macbook pro for recording and live sound! hehe!0 -
Through everyones posting nobody has asked him what resolution the screen he's gaming on is! :eek:
Unless its 2560*1600 its not that much of an issue at the moment :P Starting to get easier to find HD5750 stock than HD4770s, on some sites they're coming down to a realistic price (well under €100 on eBuyer) and consumes slightly less power than the HD4770. Plus unlike its predecessor the HD5750 is simply an underclocked and undervolted version of its bigger brother; same GDDR5 and 1GB framebuffer means that how well it does as a 1080p card is simply proportional to its overclockcompletely disagree in all accounts on that point, there are far too many games now that nned a quad and so many that take advantage of a quad:
Need a quad:
GTA IV,
Prototype
World In Conflict( bottlenecks on dual core )
I think Eff was more worried about blowing big bucks on an i5; he's the first to add a third and even fourth core into a build to insulate it against the cruel future GTA4 thrusts upon us even now, its just that we might be getting carried away with speccing 4GHz i5 builds where the original budget had been €400+...
And I never have that much of an issue with WiC, and I have an 3.33GHz E5200 :P But yeah, GTA4 rapes my rig...0 -
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Need a quad:
GTA IV,
Prototype
World In Conflict( bottlenecks on dual core )
Well there you go, three! Yes there are a few more, but it is kinda funny how gta4 is over 1.5years old and World in Conflict is more than 2yrs old(like quads were meant to be the "wave of the future"). Then you have prototype which frame rates will be pretty high on no matter what he gets!
I do think Quad-core is a good idea, but it's certainly not necessary unless you'll be playing the very few exceptions.You do raise the issue of resolution, but that gfx card dependent, unless youre saying buy a cpu* to fuel your current resolution in which case thats a bit insane if someone was on a 1280x1024 screen, got the right cpu now and moved up to a 22" in 2 years and needed a new cpu also.
*Well i'm supposing that you mean gpu instead of cpu?
It's really not insane at all to get a gpu for your current resolution if you're happy with the current monitor and not going to upgrade the monitor anytime soon.
All this speculation is gonna get very expensive for the op
:pac:
Bit off topic, but does anyone else think pc games will not get that much more cpu dependent until the next batch of consoles come out? Other than the few exceptions obv. Has this happened in the past?0 -
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that was only an example from my own list of games, there are loads more, if you want everything turned up Supreme Commander needs a quad. Bad Company 2 will need a quad, more and more games will need a quad.Well there you go, three! Yes there are a few more, but it is kinda funny how gta4 is over 1.5years old and World in Conflict is more than 2yrs old(like quads were meant to be the "wave of the future"). Then you have prototype which frame rates will be pretty high on no matter what he gets!
Well its a matter of opinion really and your gaming requirements of course. Ive come from an E6400 OC'd to 3.55Ghz and just got really annoyed with the perforance of lack thereof in games with my old nvidia 260. With a dual core a lot of games fluctuate in FPS really badly, i.e. when comparing min FPS to max, a quad removes that for a lot of games( Lost Planet is a good example of that problem, WiC also ).I do think Quad-core is a good idea, but it's certainly not necessary unless you'll be playing the very few exceptions.
The other issue is that the majority of PC games are ports, and most developers simply throw out the 360 version on PC, the problem is is that the 360 has 3 cores( hence the horrible performance in GTA IV on a dual core ). This is going to happen more and more in the future due to lazy porting.
At the end of the day if you want something to last the next 2 years you will need a quad. I rebuild every 2 years in general so its better and cheaper in the long run to be as prepared as you can for future titles( considering budget of course also ).
No, i ment cpu, but yeah my post was messy, sorry about that. I just ment that at low resolutions the bottleneck will be the cpu, better cpu now would remove that problem and would be better when running higher spec gpu's in the future if a higher resolution screen is used.*Well i'm supposing that you mean gpu instead of cpu?
It's really not insane at all to get a gpu for your current resolution if you're happy with the current monitor and not going to upgrade the monitor anytime soon.
I agree completely, i did give alternatives to what he could do with his Dell, overclock/change cpu/gpu etc. so its entirely his own choice. To be honest because Dells are generally crap id advise a new build for the following reasons:All this speculation is gonna get very expensive for the op :pac:
1. Theyre usually very limited in their expansion capibilities
2. Cooling isint too great if you ad more and more components
3. The PSU while quite good for the spec of the original machine is junk when expanding it
4. Buying a good case, dvd drive, harddrive and PSU means you can continue upgrading in the future without having to respend on those components, i built my i7 rig for 350euro( thats after no upgrades bar gpu for 2 years ) selling off my old cpu+mobo+ram and keeping case,psu etc.
Well i say it all with my point above lol, consoles have a min of 3 cpu's( excluding the Wii, but cmon its so old tech wise that its emulated already lol ) therefore ports will always suffer unless the devs spend extra time optimizing for the PC. Theres nothing worse than waiting for ages for the PC version of a game to be released and to find it runs like crap on your rig, GTA IV was like that for me, i bought it when i had my E6400, played it for 5 mins and gave up, never played it again until i got a quad, fair enough thats in the minority, however it was a game i was waiting for on the PC as the PS3 version which i also own looks like total crap.Bit off topic, but does anyone else think pc games will not get that much more cpu dependent until the next batch of consoles come out? Other than the few exceptions obv. Has this happened in the past?
lol, nah i agree, its upto the OP though, i can only give my opinion as the rest of us can, its down to requirements, at the end of the day if buying a rig now its best buying the best price/performer now but ensuring that it will be ok in 2 years time. My E6400 was just about getting old as was my 8800GT and because the were good price/performers when i bought them they lasted. I could have bought a cheaper AMD rig at the time and an 8600GT but id have had to have upgraded a year early to play games well.I think Eff was more worried about blowing big bucks on an i5; he's the first to add a third and even fourth core into a build to insulate it against the cruel future GTA4 thrusts upon us even now, its just that we might be getting carried away with speccing 4GHz i5 builds where the original budget had been €400+...
And I never have that much of an issue with WiC, and I have an 3.33GHz E5200 :P But yeah, GTA4 rapes my rig...
The min FPS in WiC seriously benefit from a quad, if i max out everything completely i get 98FPS max, average of 72FPS and minimum of 38FPS with an i7 and 5850 @ 1680x1050, 16 by AA( i think whatever the max is for ATI cards in game ) and 16xAF. A mate has a Q9550@4.2ghz with 4870x2 and his min FPS are 22 at the same settings( so thats just the differences between Core 2 and i7 quads, but i know i could never run at the current settings i use with my old E6400 & 260, cant remember the min, i think it was 18 or 20 with 2xAA, tried the 260 on my i7 and the minimum FPS were 32 with 2xAA ).
Overclock that E5200 moarrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, thats a long rant.0
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