The best petrol engine?

batperson

What is the best petrol engine out there today ranging in size between 1.4 and 1.8?

something thats been around for a few years too would be better:D

fonecrusher1

Honda Vtec engine. 1.5,1.6,1.8. Powerful & economical. Lovely little snarl off em as well when you push past around 5600rpm.:D

squod

Lets face it, it's gonna turn out to be a Fiat or a BMW.

fonecrusher1

Honda civic 1.6 vti. 158bhp. 0 to 60mph around 7ish secs. 35mpg. 100bhp per litre! Bulletproof

I invite anyone to suggest a comparable or more powerful engine.

homer90

IMO the VAG 1.8T 20v would be a contender

bazz26

squod wrote: »

Lets face it, it's gonna turn out to be a Fiat or a BMW.

BMW have won many awards for their 6, 8 and 10 cylinder engines over the years but none of them have been for their entry level 4 cylinder petrol engines.

Darwin

This is a possible contender but is fairly recent. Although the engine is not twin turbo as the article states - it's a twin scroll turbocharger principally to eliminate lag.

tossy

homer90 wrote: »

IMO the VAG 1.8T 20v would be a contender

I agree the 20vT is one of the best petrol engines of the last 10 years unfortunately not every car it was bolted into got the best out of it.

unkel

bazz26 wrote: »

BMW have won many awards for their 6, 8 and 10 cylinder engines over the years but none of them have been for their entry level 4 cylinder petrol engines.

BMW won this year in the 1.4-1.8l category

And in 2008 and in 2007 and 2003 and 2001. But granted they won it a lot more often for their bigger engines.

Midnight_EG

K20 the fuck out of whatever you plan on doing OP.

fonecrusher1

batperson wrote: »

What is the best petrol engine out there today ranging in size between 1.4 and 1.8?

something thats been around for a few years too would be better:D

Think he means not a new engine. Thats cheating!;)

Tragedy

1.4 multiair engine in the MiTo might be a contender soon enough!

bazz26

unkel wrote: »

BMW won this year in the 1.4-1.8l category

And in 2008 and in 2007 and 2003 and 2001. But granted they won it a lot more often for their bigger engines.

Were they co-designed with Peugeot?

fonecrusher1

Honda's vtec car engines go all the way back to 1989!!!
Talk about being way ahead of its time. No turbos, just good old Jap engineering.;)

Midnight_EG

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Honda's vtec car engines go all the way back to 1989!!!
Talk about being way ahead of its time. No turbos, just good old Jap engineering.;)

Seems only me and you know the secret

Shires

Tragedy wrote: »

1.4 multiair engine in the MiTo might be a contender soon enough!

And the Punto Evo. I'd love it if santa brought one of either with the 135bhp 1.4.

Does it really use completely electro-hydraulic valves? Sounds unlikely to me.

fonecrusher1

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Seems only me and you know the secret

:DI know!

Darwin

bazz26 wrote: »

Were they co-designed with Peugeot?

Yup, it was a joint BMW-PSA effort. Same engine used in the 207 GT/GTi and Cooper S.

argosy2006

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Honda civic 1.6 vti. 158bhp. 0 to 60mph around 7ish secs. 35mpg. 100bhp per litre! Bulletproof

I invite anyone to suggest a comparable or more powerful engine.

toyotas 4AGE twin camshaft 1.6 , ITS MUCH THE SAME THOUGH, there both bulletproof

JHMEG

Older 1.4-1.8... there can be only one: B18C Spec R.

mondeo

Had a little go of my friends 87' 1.6 205gti the other evening and I was very impressed with the engine in it, I'm sure it's rubbish to todays standards though but the engine had really great pickup for a 1.6, cracking drive altogether!

I'd probably have to go with Honda Vtec engines, even though I don't fancy Hondas but the engines ya can't argue with them...

tommmy1979

I'd go japanese anyway.. vtec is tough to beat alright and i'm a bmw fan

Neilw

The vag 1.8 20v turbo gets my vote, that's because there is one in my car
230bhp, 40mpg if you drive easy and bulletproof once serviced.

The sky is the limit on them tuning wise, on standard internals they can handle 350bhp :cool:

unkel

bazz26 wrote: »

Were they co-designed with Peugeot?

Officially yes that's the summary

JHMEG

Or rather co-designed with BMW.

unkel

JHMEG wrote: »

Or rather co-designed with BMW.

Attached is the official press release from PSA. You can make your own mind up

Warning: lots of details in there!

squod

unkel wrote: »

Attached is the official press release from PSA. You can make your own mind up

Warning: lots of details in there!

Japanese and Korean manufacturers will read this and produce the same thing in another five years, then call it something else.

Captain Slow IRL

It's 96cc's over what the op's looking for but BMW's 1.9litre M44 engine gets my vote! 138bhp and 40mpg - and I don't have to wait for a v-tec to kick in.

The valvetronic N43 engine is close second, but only because I can't afford a car with one in it yet!

fonecrusher1

squod wrote: »

Japanese and Korean manufacturers will read this and produce the same thing in another five years, then call it something else.

You mean kind of like the way Bmw, mitsubishi, nissan, toyota & porsche all went on to copy honda's vtec system with their own variation of the original idea but slightly different to avoid patent laws.;)

stevenmu

Mazda's Renesis rotary engine in the RX8 seems pretty hard to beat, 231bhp and revs to 9k+. Not bad for a 1.3. Albeit not a typical petrol engine.

fonecrusher1

argosy2006 wrote: »

toyotas 4AGE twin camshaft 1.6 , ITS MUCH THE SAME THOUGH, there both bulletproof

Would it get 35mpg?

tossy

stevenmu wrote: »

Mazda's Renesis rotary engine in the RX8 seems pretty hard to beat, 231bhp and revs to 9k+. Not bad for a 1.3. Albeit not a typical petrol engine.

The rate at which those things drink oil knocks it out of the running for any 'Best engine' category,just my 2 cents.

Captain Slow IRL

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

You mean kind of like the way Bmw, mitsubishi, nissan, toyota & porsche all went on to copy honda's vtec system with their own variation of the original idea but slightly different to avoid patent laws.;)

Fiat had a variable valve control system in the 60/70's

fonecrusher1

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

Fiat had a variable valve control system in the 60/70's

Yeah but the dual profiled camshaft in the vtec system is unique.

Captain Slow IRL

We could get into a long winded discussion about who's contributed what to variable valve timing, every manufacturer has their own ideas, pro's and con's. Honda still worked on and changed an idea that had been around for a long time before they introduced it into their cars, they didn't invent the concept of vvt.

The same goes for Fiat.

unkel

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

You mean kind of like the way Bmw, mitsubishi, nissan, toyota & porsche all went on to copy honda's vtec system with their own variation of the original idea but slightly different to avoid patent laws.;)

Oh dear

fonecrusher1

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

We could get into a long winded discussion about who's contributed what to variable valve timing, every manufacturer has their own ideas, pro's and con's. Honda still worked on and changed an idea that had been around for a long time before they introduced it into their cars, they didn't invent the concept of vvt.

The same goes for Fiat.

Yup i agree with you but lets be honest honda's vtec system actually worked. Fiats system obviously had some sort of problem if it was discontinued? I dont know?
But the fact remains the rest of the car makers i mentioned only took notice of this technology after honda got involved.

Before anyone thinks im a honda nut, i own a Toyota.:D


btw.....according to wikipedia Alfa Romeo where the first to use vvt in a production car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carawaystick

surprised no-one's mentioned those turbocharged formula1 engines that were about back in the day, I'd imagine there's one or two knocking about still. 1500+PS according to Alain Prost

probably wouldn't get the auld hundred thousand mile warranty though.

zilog_jones

Shires wrote: »

Does it really use completely electro-hydraulic valves? Sounds unlikely to me.

There's still a SOHC in the engine. Only the intake valves have the electro-hydraulic yokes between the camshaft and the valves, the exhaust valves operate normally. AFAIK this means the intake valves will still work if the hydraulics break.

briman1983

Surprised nobody has mentioned the vw 1.4l Twincharger. Over 170bhp and been around now since 2006

http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_09/winner.html

tossy

briman1983 wrote: »

Surprised nobody has mentioned the vw 1.4l Twincharger. Over 170bhp and been around now since 2006

Probably because the are proving not to be a very good engine,several turbo failures already.

ianobrien

My vote goes to the Ford Kent.

First sold in 1959 in the Anglia, then into the Cortina in 1500cc form.

Evolved into the Crossflow, and a 1700cc engine that was capable of pushing out 180/190hp in race tune.

Eventually ended up as a 500hp 1.8 engine in the Group B RS200 (with a different Head).

Last sold in a new car in the old Ka (2003ish I think)

Oh, Ford recently announced that they are making new engine blocks to cope with demand. The result, the same basic engine design in production for 50 years.......

merc998

I have a bmw 330d sport its a great car but bmw are no comparisonb for a jap vtec engine!!!!

JHMEG

unkel wrote: »

Attached is the official press release from PSA. You can make your own mind up

Warning: lots of details in there!

Hmm. Less impressive than I was expecting. In fact it's not really impressive at all. Perhaps it won EoTY because of lack of any decent competition?

zilog_jones

ianobrien wrote: »

My vote goes to the Ford Kent.

First sold in 1959 in the Anglia, then into the Cortina in 1500cc form.

Evolved into the Crossflow, and a 1700cc engine that was capable of pushing out 180/190hp in race tune.

Eventually ended up as a 500hp 1.8 engine in the Group B RS200 (with a different Head).

Last sold in a new car in the old Ka (2003ish I think)

Oh, Ford recently announced that they are making new engine blocks to cope with demand. The result, the same basic engine design in production for 50 years.......

The Zetec Rocam engine is an SOHC derivative of the Kent, it is what replaced the Endura-E in the Ka in 2003 and is in several other Fords made in Brazil and South Africa.

ianobrien

zilog_jones wrote: »

The Zetec Rocam engine is an SOHC derivative of the Kent, it is what replaced the Endura-E in the Ka in 2003 and is in several other Fords made in Brazil and South Africa.

Thanks for that - You learn something new every day.

NiSmO

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oisin_t

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Honda civic 1.6 vti. 158bhp. 0 to 60mph around 7ish secs. 35mpg. 100bhp per litre! Bulletproof

I invite anyone to suggest a comparable or more powerful engine.

1.8 doch vtech b18b honda engine!

195 bhp! ha

.Longshanks.

NiSmO wrote: »

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Hows the new turbo holding out?

NiSmO

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oisin_t

NiSmO wrote: »

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Had mine dynoed about 6 months ago and thats the figure it was putting out. Standard engine unmodified car.

Also depends on where the engine came from. UKDM model is 185bhp USDM is 175. Jap version is 195 bhp