Least tolerant: 1. Northern Ireland 37%, 2. Italy 28%, 3. Ireland 27%

playadelingles

I wouldn't want my neighbors to be "homosexuals"



http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/services/index.html, 2000


This done in 2000, not much seems to have changed with guys ending up dead all the time these days.

Annasopra

playadelingles wrote: »

This done in 2000, not much seems to have changed with guys ending up dead all the time these days.

What deaths?

the_syco

As the stats are 9 years old, could you provide newer stats that GLB people are still being hated at the same level?

KeyLimePie

I'd like to see a more recent one done, like i live in UCD and get called ****** every now and again but they're just culchies but really I don't think people care

Annasopra

KeyLimePie wrote: »

I'd like to see a more recent one done, like i live in UCD and get called ****** every now and again but they're just culchies but really I don't think people care

Of course people care - UCDSU have an LGBT Rights officer

http://www.ucdsu.ie/campaigns/lgbt/

KeyLimePie

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Of course people care - UCDSU have an LGBT Rights officer

http://www.ucdsu.ie/campaigns/lgbt/

as in I don't think most people care about having gay neighbours,but personally I don't care about these people, i'll call them up on it some day and embarass them outta it.

Annasopra

Oh ok - sorry I understand better now

LegacyUser

Those survey results are almost a decade old. A decade where a lot of positive changes have happened for the LGBT community in Ireland.

I'd say that the NI and Italy figures haven't changed all that much. I was actually surprised that they weren't higher.

cotwold

playadelingles wrote: »

I wouldn't want my neighbors to be "homosexuals"

This done in 2000, not much seems to have changed with guys ending up dead all the time these days.

I'd find it hard o believe that attitudes towards gay people in Ireland havent improved since then.

KeyLimePie wrote: »

I'd like to see a more recent one done, like i live in UCD and get called ****** every now and again but they're just culchies but really I don't think people care

Thats terrible, hope you give them hell for it. I so sad to think that seemingly educated people would do that.

greyed

cotwold wrote: »

I'd find it hard o believe that attitudes towards gay people in Ireland havent improved since then.

Yeah, definetly agree.

cotwold wrote: »

Thats terrible, hope you give them hell for it. I so sad to think that seemingly educated people would do that.

Me and cotwold will go beat em up for ye

dreamer_ire

slidergeek wrote: »

Those survey results are almost a decade old. A decade where a lot of positive changes have happened for the LGBT community in Ireland.

I'd say that the NI and Italy figures haven't changed all that much. I was actually surprised that they weren't higher.

Last years Equality Commission report showed that 23% of those surveyed in NI would mind having a lesbian or gay man as a neighbour. 35% would mind if a family member married a lesbian or gay man. So increase in the "acceptability" of lesbians and gay men.... just not in my family thank you!

I've lived in NI for 8 years now and have to say have never had any been on the receiving end of homophpbia. I do think things are changing.... albeit slowly at times.

mehmeh12

Irish people homophobic? Wow im so not surprised.

shoegirl

slidergeek wrote: »

Those survey results are almost a decade old. A decade where a lot of positive changes have happened for the LGBT community in Ireland.

I'd say that the NI and Italy figures haven't changed all that much. I was actually surprised that they weren't higher.

I wouldn't assume that suddenly every hetero in Ireland is a card-carrying tolerancefest either. People are still getting the c**p kicked out of them in cities every weekend, lots of folk are still afraid to be out at work, and I can only assume that their judgment is good enough for it to be for reasonable fears.

GCN do a readers survey every year that gives some idea of the kind of confidence level that there is in Ireland (although I would say its probably a bit selective since there is some evidence that media surveys don't reflect the community in its widest forms). Unfortunately they don't keep the full results on the web, but I recall that the numbers out at work (which to me are a strong indication of confidence) were less than 50%. Also there is still a hardcore element of opposition, which while small, is both vocal and active in lobbying against us.

There is a brief summary of GCN's profile here. Bear in mind that this is a reader profile rather than a reflective survey of Irish gay folk.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Regarding NI this might have been done to piss off free-presbyterian loyalists but was a good gesture anyway

Nebit

Ah tbh i don't think that many irish people are homophobic.
i've had and still do have mates who in the past have said something one may consider 'homophobic' but when i told them i was gay they simply went "are ya? oh right fair f**ks to ya" end.
Then there's one mate of mine, one of my best mates to be exact who says things i know people would and some have even said to me are 'homophobic' he knows im gay, i frequently hang out with him, his seen me with another man.
I think people fail to realise that half the time its just people taking the mick. i find that when my mates joke around about it, it means they accept it.
if the census was taken nowadays i'm sure they'd be a higher 'tolerance'

AARRRGH

Nebit wrote: »

i've had and still do have mates who in the past have said something one may consider 'homophobic' but when i told them i was gay they simply went "are ya? oh right fair f**ks to ya" end.

Good point. I think a lot of hetero males would find gay jokes funny/would use mildly homophobic language every now and then, but at the end of the day aren't homophobic at all. I can't think of any hetero person I know who would refuse to hire a gay person or who would treat a gay person unfairly.

Most of my gay friends are really defensive and obsessed with their sexuality so they perceive many innocent things as attacks or homophobia.

BTW I've answered a few surveys in the past, and they always word the questions really oddly. For example, most hetero people would answer "family" if asked "would you rather live next door to a family or a gay couple?", but that doesn't mean most people are homophobic.

Monkey61

I don't know about the north, but I find Ireland remarkably tolerant (I say remarkable considering the influence of the church) at least in the cities. I am not sure about the countryside.

I never considered this until moving to London, where I have been on the receiving end of far more abuse and encountered a hell of a lot more homophobia than ever at home. The funny thing about it being that whenever I have talked to Londoners about it, they always presume that London must be so much more open minded than Dublin and are genuinely shocked when I tell them otherwise.

Nebit

Monkey61 wrote: »

I don't know about the north, but I find Ireland remarkably tolerant (I say remarkable considering the influence of the church) at least in the cities. I am not sure about the countryside.

I never considered this until moving to London, where I have been on the receiving end of far more abuse and encountered a hell of a lot more homophobia than ever at home. The funny thing about it being that whenever I have talked to Londoners about it, they always presume that London must be so much more open minded than Dublin and are genuinely shocked when I tell them otherwise.

Yeah its weird when i think back to England it seems opposite to Ireland in that cities are less 'tolerant' but the countryside is grand for the most part.
London has a greater population tho and chances are yes they do have a higher tolerance of homosexuals compared to Dublin.
The difference i think is that Irish people are quite relaxed in nature so even if one had a problem they wouldn really say anything, whereas in england its very different.
That said i think i would have 'come out' sooner had i still lived in England (moved back to ireland when i was 10)

dreamer_ire

Nebit wrote: »

The difference i think is that Irish people are quite relaxed in nature so even if one had a problem they wouldn really say anything, whereas in england its very different.

I think you are right in this. There is a cultural difference between the Irish and the English where the English are far more direct whereas we tend to dress things up a bit and beat around the bush. Pros and cons to both but I guess it should mean that you are more likely to be verbally targetted in England.... here its more likely to happen behind our backs.