how cheap could you assemble a squad capable of winning the PL

Bounty Hunter

Dont know if this will work or garner interest but off the top o my head... Titte says it all really, what is the cheapset you think a Premierleague winning squad could assembled for?

assemble a squad you think are capable of winning the PL for as cheap as possible and post it. Give values that you think each player could be procured for and thus their overall cost.

people can discuss, if they could win the title, if valuations are right/could they actually be signed for xM etc

Frisbee

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Dont know if this will work or garner interest but off the top o my head... Titte says it all really, what is the cheapset you think a Premierleague winning squad could assembled for?

assemble a squad you think are capable of winning the PL for as cheap as possible and post it. Give values that you think each player could be procured for and thus their overall cost.

people can discuss, if they could win the title, if valuations are right/could they actually be signed for xM etc

Are we taking their valuations by how much they cost from their last transfer?
Or how much we think they should cost?

For example City paid 19M for Lescott, but I wouldn't value him at more than 10...

Juan Pablo

And do we factor the cost of wages etc? i.e. buying an older player in their 30's for one years impact, say Viera, would cost a lot less in transfers but command a bigger wage than a younger, long term player like Yaya Toure?

Bounty Hunter

Frisbee wrote: »

Are we taking their valuations by how much they cost from their last transfer?
Or how much we think they should cost?

For example City paid 19M for Lescott, but I wouldn't value him at more than 10...

id say what you think they could be signed for if they have only recently been signed i guess you can use that valuation.

CR 7

Can we assume that any player we meet the valuation of has to move? i.e. Buying Van Der Sar cheaply, cos he's so old?

Bounty Hunter

damn didnt think of the age thing but i guess itl still be a challenge cos you cant win a title in the modern prem with all over 30s, So i guess you could sign them at whatever price you think would be right. The price is supposed to be something you think would be accepted so there is no do the other club have to sell them issue

im making this up as i go

eagle eye

It also depends on what club you are taking over. There is a huge difference between taking over the likes of Portsmouth and Tottenham. If you are building from scratch then its going to take a collossal amount of money. And also the allowable wage bill is a huge factor, as is the manager.

kenon

22 man squad?

Ush1

Difficult with players in other leagues also. Might be cheap and very good but people might think they wouldn't be great in the PL.

Frisbee

But how do we decide what is an acceptable amount for someone?

e.g. Someone wants to have Ronaldo in their team.

One person puts him in and values him at 80M
Someone else puts him in and values him at 45M
Someone else puts him in and values him at 30M

mink_man

given (5m)

sagna (5m?) dunne (5m) vidic (5-10m) warnock (5m?)

de jong (5m)

gourcuff (10-20m) arshavin (10-15m)

young (5-10m) milner (5-12m)

torres (20-25m)

MAX TOTAL VALUE: 117M


*some figures may be wrong
*values based on price players bought at, may be higher now
*don;t know how much gourcuff was bought for at all

CHD

Sagna is worth alot more than 5M surely. Vidic should be 10M+

Bounty Hunter

Frisbee wrote: »

But how do we decide what is an acceptable amount for someone?

e.g. Someone wants to have Ronaldo in their team.

One person puts him in and values him at 80M
Someone else puts him in and values him at 45M
Someone else puts him in and values him at 30M

there is the discussion part of the thread i guess. See who can produce the cheapest squad (lets say 23 man like a WC squad) that could win the EPL and see how many people agree on both them being able to be assembled for that price and their ability to win said title.

still making this up as i go but the above sounds okay

mink_man

im takin it as the price they were bought for...sagna was cheap enough and so was vidic no?

GavRedKing

Between transfers/wages/agent fees I would think you would need about 170 -200 million to get a good squad together of at least 20 players.

Good idea though, better go home and see what football manager says

GavRedKing

mink_man wrote: »

im takin it as the price they were bought for...sagna was cheap enough and so was vidic no?

Think Vidic was about 7.5 million, open to correction though.

MementoMori

Maybe if it was just restricted to players who have moved within the last five years?

It would mean no one club players like Gerrard/Giggs but it would probably make things a whole lot easier than in terms of getting reasonable estimates of what players have actually moved for.

Also assembling a squad of say 18 players capable of winning the league for£100m strikes me as rather tricky. I'd say a squad of 18 players for £150m would be a better bet.

That_Guy

mink_man wrote: »

given (5m)

sagna (5m?) dunne (5m) vidic (5-10m) warnock (5m?)

de jong (5m)

gourcuff (10-20m) arshavin (10-15m)

young (5-10m) milner (5-12m)

torres (20-25m)

MAX TOTAL VALUE: 117M


*some figures may be wrong
*values based on price players bought at, may be higher now
*don;t know how much gourcuff was bought for at all

Given is worth more than 5M I'd say.

Mr. Presentable

What about Adriano and Ronaldo? Both were signed for free last transfer.

MementoMori

Sagna was £6m Soccerbase
Vidic was £7.2m Times
Milner was £12m BBC
A.Young was £8m Soccerbase

www.soccerbase.com is a good first stop to see what players were transferred for.

eagle eye

MementoMori wrote: »

Sagna was £6m Soccerbase
Vidic was £7.2m Times
Milner was £12m BBC
A.Young was £8m Soccerbase

www.soccerbase.com is a good first stop to see what players were transferred for.

Warnock was £7.3m, my Blackburn Rovers buddy.

thorbarry

Great idea for a thread Bounty Hunter. I look forward to leaving work, and having at a look at the thread in work in the morning with a cup of tea

mink_man

That_Guy wrote: »

Given is worth more than 5M I'd say.

im takin the price as the amount they were bought for,...givwn was bought for 5million

Pepe LeFrits

If going by the values of players transferred since summer 2004:

Lloris 6m
Sagna 6m Vidic 7m Agger 5m Evra 5.5m
Flamini 0m Toure 7m
Benayoun 5m Gourcuff 12m Arshavin 15m
Villa 8m

Subs: Given 5m, Dunne 5m, Santon 0m, Song 1m, Arteta 2m, Krancjar 2m, Dzeko 3m

Might not win the league but it'd give value for money at least!

Ush1

Tim Cahill was 1 million, worth a buy for a squad player.

That_Guy

alex Song and Eboue were bought for a million each. Decent additions.

slingerz

I'm going to make my selection without a player from the Top 4. It'd be too easy to take over United/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool and just bring in 5 players to their teams.

GK: Given, Cudicini

LB: Warnock, Baines
RB: Corluka, Sylvinho
CB: Hangeland, Shawcross, Dunne, Jagielka

DM: De Jong, Arteta, Parker, Bullard
RWF: Lennon, Pienaar
LWF: Young, Krankjcar
AMC: Milner, Modric, Cahill

ST: Defoe, Adebayor, Tevez, Bent

Frisbee

Sylvinho is a left back

That_Guy

slingerz wrote: »

I'm going to make my selection without a player from the Top 4. It'd be too easy to take over United/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool and just bring in 5 players to their teams.

GK: Given, Cudicini

LB: Warnock, Baines
RB: Corluka, Sylvinho
CB: Hangeland, Shawcross, Dunne, Jagielka

DM: De Jong, Arteta, Parker, Bullard
RWF: Lennon, Pienaar
LWF: Young, Krankjcar
AMC: Milner, Modric, Cahill

ST: Defoe, Adebayor, Tevez, Bent

Cheapest? I think not.

MementoMori

A bit of a quick and dirty effort.

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Given

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---L.Young--Shawcross--Agger--Evra---

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Cattermole--Arteta--Kalou

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Benayoun

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Torres

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Cole

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Subs: Sorenson, Hangeland, Richardson, Dunn, Cahill, Kranjcar, Owen

* Not 100% on what Carlton Cole cost West Ham but I reckon £3m is a reasonable estimate. Anyway seeing as I have a fair bit of funds to spare so no bother.

Not thrilled with the formation, but reckon I have enough options to tinker with the bench.

All this can be yours for the glorious total price of £76.5m.
Probably not guaranteed to win the PL but would have a decent rattle.

1 Given £5m
2 Sørensen Free
3 Agger £5.8m
4 Hangeland £2m
5 Shawcross £1m
6 Evra £5.5m
7 L Young £5m
8 Richardson £5.5m
9 Dunn £2.2m
10 Cattermole £6m
11 Arteta £2m
12 Cahill £1.5m
13 Kranjcar £2m
14 Benayoun £5m
15 Kalou £5m
16 Torres £20m
17 C Cole £3m
18 Owen Free

noodler

mink_man wrote: »

im takin the price as the amount they were bought for,...givwn was bought for 5million

Was it not 8m?

Anyway a cheap team

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Jussi

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Hibbert

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Cahill

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Samba

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Warnock

Andy-Reid

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Cana

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Dunn

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Duff

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Klasnic

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Owen


No criticism please - I just threw it out there quickly.

Alot of Bolton players!

Prufrock

Gattuso is out of contract at the end of the season. Can we use him as a free transfer?

MementoMori

noodler wrote: »

Was it not 8m?

Anyway a cheap team

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Jussi

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Hibbert

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Cahill

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Samba

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Warnock

Andy-Reid

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Cana

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Dunn

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Duff

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Klasnic

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Owen


No criticism please - I just threw it out there quickly.

Alot of Bolton players!

Hibbert. :eek:

Tony Hibbert

I know that the full-backs are kinda tricky but Hibbert.

My god just no.

Would be surprised if any Everton fans agree with you.
From what I've seen he's been in shocking form this season.

That aside a very pretty solid team. Couldn't see it winning the league but could well be pushing for an European spot (Hibbert aside )

Prufrock wrote: »

Gattuso is out of contract at the end of the season. Can we use him as a free transfer?

No cos otherwise BountyHunter will call around your house and give you an internet beating:p
He's mod of the wrestling forum you know.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

MementoMori wrote: »

No cos otherwise BountyHunter will call around your house and give you a pretend internet beating:p
He's mod of the wrestling forum you know.

FYP. :P

Prufrock

MementoMori wrote: »

No cos otherwise BountyHunter will call around your house and give you an internet beating:p
He's mod of the wrestling forum you know.

:pac:

Bounty Hunter

;):cool::pac:

CR 7

I'm making the assumption that you don't have to immediately win it. My team, to win it in a number of years is:


Lloris(20-25m)

Rafael Da Silva(5m) Rodwell(10m) J. Evans(8-10m) Fabio Da Silva(5m)

Gosling(5m) Wilshere(5m) Ramsey(8m) Vela(12m)

Wellbeck(7m) Pato(45m)

That'd be around 133.5m, going by complete guesses at all the prices:o. But almost certain to be the best team in the premiership in 7 years or so.:pac:

Struggled to find wingers, and had to have one marquee signing. Could probably have found an alternative to Pato, but he looks to have the most potential today.

The Volt

TONY HIBBERT?

Frisbee

Voltwad wrote: »

TONY HIBBERT?

He prefers to referred to as his full title of Anthony James Hibbert Esq. :pac:

Het-Field

If West Ham had not liquidated their assets, sold them on, kept developing them, and moulded them under Harry Redknapp. Equally, one must also take into account their age etc

1.Robert Green 2.5 Million
2.Glen Johnson Youth Team
3.Lucas Neill 1.7 Million
4.Rio Ferdinand Youth Team
5.Anton Ferdinand Youth Team
6.Frank Lampard Youth Team
7.Valon Behrami 5 Million
8.Michael Carrick Youth Team
9.Jermain Defoe Youth Team
10.Carlos Tevez Third Party Owner
11.Joe Cole Youth Team

12.Richard Wright Free
13.James Collins 1.5 Million
14.Matthew Upson 7.5 Million
15.Mark Noble Youth Team
16.Lee Bowyer Free Transfer
17.Javier Mascherano Third Party Owner
18.Carlton Cole 2 Million
19.Diego Tristan Free
20.Paul Konchesky 2 Million
21.Nolberto Solano Free
22.

Roughly 20 million !

~Rebel~

So are we just doing them by their last transfer? Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, as its not true to life. We'd be picking them because of how they excelled after that bargain pricetag, but at a price before they moved.

I mean, in that case can i throw in Messi, Gerrard, Carragher, Xavi, Puyol, Iniesta etc etc as all of those signed their contracts as free's.

IMO it makes more sense to choose prices which we think would be accepted as a realistic bid today. Just makes no sense to me to be buying, say, Torres at todays ability for yesterdays price.

noodler

I always thought Hibbert was fairly solid if nothing special going forward. I mean to retaliate we have people picking fullbacks whi have played only a handful of games because they play for Utd!

Any Everton fans?

gosplan

Het-Field wrote: »

If West Ham had not liquidated their assets, sold them on, kept developing them, and moulded them under Harry Redknapp. Equally, one must also take into account their age etc

1.Robert Green 2.5 Million
2.Glen Johnson Youth Team
3.Lucas Neill 1.7 Million
4.Rio Ferdinand Youth Team
5.Anton Ferdinand Youth Team
6.Frank Lampard Youth Team
7.Valon Behrami 5 Million
8.Michael Carrick Youth Team
9.Jermain Defoe Youth Team
10.Carlos Tevez Third Party Owner
11.Joe Cole Youth Team

12.Richard Wright Free
13.James Collins 1.5 Million
14.Matthew Upson 7.5 Million
15.Mark Noble Youth Team
16.Lee Bowyer Free Transfer
17.Javier Mascherano Third Party Owner
18.Carlton Cole 2 Million
19.Diego Tristan Free
20.Paul Konchesky 2 Million
21.Nolberto Solano Free
22.

Roughly 20 million !

Holy sh1tbags, never saw it put together like that before.

slingerz

gosplan wrote: »

Holy sh1tbags, never saw it put together like that before.

Leeds United were similarly impressive given the players that went through their ranks

And are a club that if I was a wealthy Abu Dhabi sheikh I'd look to buy either them or Newcastle given their fan base and low cost at this moment in time.

RandolphEsq

A team capable of winning the Premiership needs at least 3 world class players in it. Chelsea; Drogba, Terry, Lampard
United; Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic

in comparison to;
Arsenal; Fabregas . . . that's it.
Liverpool; Gerard, Torres. No titles in generations

Impossible to create a Premiership winning team around less than 3 world class players

Bounty Hunter

~Rebel~ wrote: »

So are we just doing them by their last transfer? Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, as its not true to life. We'd be picking them because of how they excelled after that bargain pricetag, but at a price before they moved.

I mean, in that case can i throw in Messi, Gerrard, Carragher, Xavi, Puyol, Iniesta etc etc as all of those signed their contracts as free's.

IMO it makes more sense to choose prices which we think would be accepted as a realistic bid today. Just makes no sense to me to be buying, say, Torres at todays ability for yesterdays price.

that was the original plan but if people want to go by past transfers then whynot they should just state so. Id be more interested in ones like your own if you produced one but it is all good reading for me

zAbbo

Why not take the valuations/points from Fantasy Football?

JPA

Interesting idea but kinda impossible to come up with a squad.

Pro. F

~Rebel~ wrote: »

IMO it makes more sense to choose prices which we think would be accepted as a realistic bid today. Just makes no sense to me to be buying, say, Torres at todays ability for yesterdays price.

This is very true. I'm going to try and put a squad together based on an estimate of what they'd cost to buy now. That seems like far more of a fun challenge to me than just searching through past transfers to find 23 players who have turned out to be bargains.

'Tis going to be very hard to keep the total cost down though... and getting the balance right between proven PL players and overseas bargains... *eyes glaze over as thinking begins*

Pro. F

zAbbo wrote: »

Why not take the valuations/points from Fantasy Football?

Fantasy football is its own game with its own balance. The prices are set on players' abilities to generate certain stats. A winning fantasy football team would be totally unbalanced in reality.

Bounty Hunter

Pro. F wrote: »

Fantasy football is its own game with its own balance. The prices are set on players' abilities to generate certain stats. A winning fantasy football team would be totally unbalanced in reality.

plus in FF nobody costs over 13m iirc, nice idea but doesent work