Drugs - mod warning post 75!

Crumble Froo

helimachoptor wrote: »

I'd have to disagree with that, my 3 good mates who have ranged from snorting coke, to E to smoking regular dope are about as far from open minded as you get, doing drugs =/ open mindedness.

i suppose it depends on what we're talking about being open minded about...

i know i'd definitely be more comfortable around someone who had at least tried drugs, or didnt hate them... or id feel really i duno, awkward, or judged or something.

liah

helimachoptor wrote: »

I understand them plenty I just don't do them, I go for beers yes I get in some states I dont go walking in front of cars jumping off buildings etc.

No he didnt go wandering around, he was sitting in the hosterl with 6/7 other people took some LSD freaked out ran around Amsterdam and nearly got killed.

Which is why you always have a sober mate with you when you do any sort of hallucinogenics so you don't do stuff like this. Like I said, he was irresponsible, end of. And just because YOU don't go walking in front of cars doesn't mean other people don't when you're drunk, so why would I go walking in front of cars when on LSD just because someone else does? You say you understand them but you clearly don't understand the culture behind them; responsible drug users always have a sober buddy when they do drugs that have effects like that. If they can't get a sober buddy, they don't do them. End of.

It's possible to be responsible with drugs just as much as it's possible to be irresponsible with drugs. It's how, when, and where you use them that counts. Don't tar me with the same brush as your workmate. I'm not him and I wouldn't make that mistake. None of my friends have made that mistake, either.

rainbow kirby

I wouldn't mind recreational use, but if they had a problem with drugs that would put me right off. I don't take anything, but I don't really mind if other people do as long as they are sensible about it.

helimachoptor

liah wrote: »

Which is why you always have a sober mate with you when you do any sort of hallucinogenics so you don't do stuff like this. Like I said, he was irresponsible, end of. And just because YOU don't go walking in front of cars doesn't mean other people don't when you're drunk, so why would I go walking in front of cars when on LSD just because someone else does? You say you understand them but you clearly don't understand the culture behind them; responsible drug users always have a sober buddy when they do drugs that have effects like that. If they can't get a sober buddy, they don't do them. End of.

It's possible to be responsible with drugs just as much as it's possible to be irresponsible with drugs. It's how, when, and where you use them that counts. Don't tar me with the same brush as your workmate. I'm not him and I wouldn't make that mistake. None of my friends have made that mistake, either.

I am not tarring anyone with any brush, I have seen plenty of people do stupid stuff while drunk, I've seen a guy off his face on coke thinking rats we're coming through the wall and then headbutt said wall and fracture his skull.

I have also seen friends who will have a couple of joints at a session and be perfectly fine. so forgive me for aksing what may seem like a dumb question... if 5 of you are having a session one person gets designated as the sober one??

I'm sure they are responsible recreational drug users out there, so far I have yet to meet one (internet people excluded of course liah)

Anyway, the last thread regarding drugs went off course and mods got banned so back on topic

for me its a personal choice, would I date someone who was doing LSD/Coke/E once a month, most likely not. Would I date someone who went out every weekend and got some drunk they had no recollection of what happened no I wouldnt.


@ Crumble foo, why would you feel awkward around a partner who hasnt tried drugs?

I think a lot of it will come down to what a person deems as recreational drug use and what they deem as habitual.

liah

helimachoptor wrote: »

I am not tarring anyone with any brush, I have seen plenty of people do stupid stuff while drunk, I've seen a guy off his face on coke thinking rats we're coming through the wall and then headbutt said wall and fracture his skull.

I have also seen friends who will have a couple of joints at a session and be perfectly fine. so forgive me for aksing what may seem like a dumb question... if 5 of you are having a session one person gets designated as the sober one??

I'm sure they are responsible recreational drug users out there, so far I have yet to meet one (internet people excluded of course liah)?

You don't know them because you're not into them, I'd imagine. You only notice the bad apples because they are bad, you're less likely to notice the good ones because they won't be doing stupid stuff in public and putting their lives in danger. Far more likely to fly under the radar; if you don't notice it it doesn't mean it's not there, it just means.. you don't notice it.

To be honest, I've seen far more drunk people doing stupid, irresponsible, life-threatening stuff than I ever have with drug users. But I'm not going to go and say the majority of them are irresponsible because of it, I just accept that drinking isn't my scene and so I'm not going to notice the responsible ones as much, as bad ones are more likely to stick out in your mind.

You've probably met many, helimachoptor, you just haven't realized it.

helimachoptor

liah wrote: »

You don't know them because you're not into them, I'd imagine. You only notice the bad apples because they are bad, you're less likely to notice the good ones because they won't be doing stupid stuff in public and putting their lives in danger. Far more likely to fly under the radar; if you don't notice it it doesn't mean it's not there, it just means.. you don't notice it.

To be honest, I've seen far more drunk people doing stupid, irresponsible, life-threatening stuff than I ever have with drug users. But I'm not going to go and say the majority of them are irresponsible because of it, I just accept that drinking isn't my scene and so I'm not going to notice the responsible ones as much, as bad ones are more likely to stick out in your mind.

You've probably met many, helimachoptor, you just haven't realized it.

Its a valid point, but I would also contest that the reason you see more people doing drunk stupid stuff is because you will encounter a lot more people drunk than stoned good or otherwise.

One final question if I may, where would you draw the line with a partners drug use, would 10 joints a day be too much, 2/3 E's Fri + Saturday etc.

Crumble Froo

helimachoptor wrote: »

@ Crumble foo, why would you feel awkward around a partner who hasnt tried drugs?

i potentially would. it's a part of my life, and not something i disclose very openly in public/real life. when im on different drugs, my personality/actions often change, and in my experience, people will often try to analyse that, or judge that. it's hard to really relate to properly without direct experience.

as well, quite often, people's reasons for not using them include disapproval, to some degree or another, whether it's the principal of altering your mind, or because you believe that people do stupid/dangerous things on them, or because it's illegal, or fear of addiction... there's very often a disapproval element in there, and i dont like for people close to me to disapprove of me/my lifestyle.

dearg lady

helimachoptor wrote: »

I'd have to disagree with that, my 3 good mates who have ranged from snorting coke, to E to smoking regular dope are about as far from open minded as you get, doing drugs =/ open mindedness.

oh absolutely, it'll depend on the person, that's why I said generally and not always, and it's just my personal experience. It may also be the kind of people I'm drawn to, I would tend towards open minded people more so, and that's open minded about everything, not just drugs related topics!

liah

helimachoptor wrote: »

Its a valid point, but I would also contest that the reason you see more people doing drunk stupid stuff is because you will encounter a lot more people drunk than stoned good or otherwise.

One final question if I may, where would you draw the line with a partners drug use, would 10 joints a day be too much, 2/3 E's Fri + Saturday etc.

A joint a day keeps the doctor away. Anyway, I don't know what would constitute too much pot or hash. Over the last month I had about 2-5 joints a day, give or take, and this week I've had none with no problems. Prior to that I'd gone months without it. Prior to THAT I'd have one every week or two. Marijuana isn't a particularly destructive drug, nor does it have many negative side effects. It's not the amount they smoke, it's whether or not they NEED the smoke that draws the line. If they can survive without it after smoking a lot every day (like I have) then it's no problem, but if they freak out without it and spend money they shouldn't on it because they're addicted, then I have a problem with it.

E's grand for weekends at the club, 2-3 should be fine on the weekend, I don't really do it often though so I can't say. It depends on the person and how much they can handle, too, as I've known two people who take pills from the same bag where one takes one pill and gets off his face and the other takes 5 and feels nothing.

Drugs are a personal thing. Everyone should know their own personal limitations, just like alcohol. Start thinking of drugs like weed/hash, LSD, and E like you do alcohol and you'll understand, but if you think of them as a separate category (when they're not: they're ALL drugs, socially acceptable or not) it's just not going to work and you'll never really "get" it.

Alcohol's your drug of choice. It suits you, you get along with it, you know how to use it. Weed is my drug of choice. It suits me, I get along with it, I know how to use it. It's the exact same thing.

helimachoptor

liah wrote: »

Drugs are a personal thing. Everyone should know their own personal limitations, just like alcohol. Start thinking of drugs like weed/hash, LSD, and E like you do alcohol and you'll understand, but if you think of them as a separate category (when they're not: they're ALL drugs, socially acceptable or not) it's just not going to work and you'll never really "get" it.

Alcohol's your drug of choice. It suits you, you get along with it, you know how to use it. Weed is my drug of choice. It suits me, I get along with it, I know how to use it. It's the exact same thing.

I've a friend who's smoked pot for a good 12 years now, we've had this argument many times(without a winner ), he doesnt drink much but has smoked 5+ per day everyday since he started, and he has yet to his explain his preference for having joints over beers in such clarity.

Liah + Crumble Foo appreciate the straight talking on the thread.

Xiney

Rather than extolling the virtues of this drug or that drug, how about we get back on the topic of whether they're deal breakers?

Crumble Froo

helimachoptor wrote: »

I am not tarring anyone with any brush, I have seen plenty of people do stupid stuff while drunk, I've seen a guy off his face on coke thinking rats we're coming through the wall and then headbutt said wall and fracture his skull.

and i watched a drunk guy set fire to his own pubes last weekend, while another drunk guy decided to sleep under the van we were using to get around... thanks be to fcuk he woke up when we turned the engine on.

I have also seen friends who will have a couple of joints at a session and be perfectly fine. so forgive me for aksing what may seem like a dumb question... if 5 of you are having a session one person gets designated as the sober one??

with weed, i wouldnt be inclined to designate a sober one... but with hallucinogens, hell****ingyes.

I'm sure they are responsible recreational drug users out there, so far I have yet to meet one (internet people excluded of course liah)

like liah said, you'd be surprised how many you'd meet on an average day that dont warrant your attention at all. where i work, i encounter plenty of injecting drug users, and i tell you now, the majority, you would probably never know were drug users, or even if they were stoned while you talked to them.

Anyway, the last thread regarding drugs went off course and mods got banned so back on topic

for me its a personal choice, would I date someone who was doing LSD/Coke/E once a month, most likely not. Would I date someone who went out every weekend and got some drunk they had no recollection of what happened no I wouldnt.

why do you class acid/coke/e once a month in the same category as someone who got so drunk they coudlnt remember what they'd done every week?

I think a lot of it will come down to what a person deems as recreational drug use and what they deem as habitual.

even habitual use, i could easily deal with. a good friend of mine couldnt start the day without a fcuking heap of solpadeine. ive freinds who couldnt contemplate getting out of bed if their methadone script hadnt come through, others who can't sleep without a joint at night. none of that use i would call 'recreational', but certainly not grounds to dump them/avoid them.

helimachoptor wrote: »

One final question if I may, where would you draw the line with a partners drug use, would 10 joints a day be too much, 2/3 E's Fri + Saturday etc.

personally, i wouldnt draw the line on the actual amount/frequency of the use, but on the effects it was having. i couldnt live on several joints a day, because i just dont function stoned, but i have good freinds who do. so if someone like me was to smoke 10 joints a day, yeah, that would have big implications on the relationship. it really is down to inviduals and circumstances, imo.

edit: sorry for getting off topic... ill bow out of this now, unless something's directed specifically at me, or i have something extremely relevant to say

Snowie

helimachoptor wrote: »

You'd take LSD for the craic??
A guy i worked with took LSD in amsterdam a couple of years ago, started hallucinating and was about 1.5 seconds from being mauled by the cast iron wheels of a tram, now i know your reply will be "sure look what people do when they're drunk etc" Thats fine but I wouldnt be so blaise about taking LSD for the craic.

I tock LSD
I had a ****ing good time, nothing bad happened, I just laughed my ass off for a very long time while listening to my walk man and seeing some really strange stuff.

I tock pills
I had a good time

I tock mdma it was great.

I tock magic mushrooms
I had a really good time besides froma mate who banged his head on a tree stump and trying to explain to our mates parents why there guest had was covered in blood and the ivy on trees looked like snakes that was really cool

I smoked more hash then i care to think about, I had an ok time.

I smoked weed and had a good time.


granted Drugs are bad and can fvck you up. But its your current mentality at the time some people I know take pills and they do mad things they can't handel the drug same way some people I know go really weird on drink, To me Im at the point ive been drug free for the first time for over 14 years I'm enjoying not being out of my bin all the time.

but you really gotta realise, that on some drugs including alcahol you loose control if you can handel that then, thats your own problem....

see the problem is you've seen one bad side of the apple, Ive seen some what good side except for my mate who did have a rough time it will never take me of the fact that nothing bad happened to me

thats not to say if you poped some acid youd be ok because i dont know you or what your like I beleave if you even goin gdown that route you need to be with in a very trusting group of friends whols a look after you B not freek you out to much....

Tho having said that ive seen the other side of the coin on how drugs can and are very distructive to peoples life...

But to anwer the Ops question,

while yes Ive been taken a lot of drugs in the past I'd prefer not to be
with a girl whos on drugs that way I wont have it in my face in my senctuary.

excuse the bill hicks styel comments...

Oh and mods and admin if i went a bit far on that pm me and I'll EDIT.

tommmy1979

So what i'm getting from this thread is that.. For a guy to be considered open minded he has to have experimented with particular drugs in the past?

liah

tommmy1979 wrote: »

So what i'm getting from this thread is that.. For a guy to be considered open minded he has to have experimented with particular drugs in the past?

I don't think that's quite what we're getting at.. it's just like.. we'd prefer them to have tried it if it was offered, to understand it better. So if he made a point of denying the drug, it'd be a bit odd to us, you know? Fine if he was feeling ill or whatever, but if it was just because he had this idea in his head that "nope, I don't do drugs even though I've never tried them, end of" it would turn us off because he's making a decision about something without understanding the drug, its effects on him, etc.

At least, that's what I think, and I think it's what others are getting at, but I can't speak for them so they can correct me.

Edited to say, it's like saying you don't like oranges without ever having tasted oranges. If you offered an orange to someone, and they said they didn't like it, and then told you they'd never tried it before, you'd say "well then how do you know you don't like it?"

Orizio

tommmy1979 wrote: »

So what i'm getting from this thread is that.. For a guy to be considered open minded he has to have experimented with particular drugs in the past?

Absurd isn't it?

Moreover, this 'try everything once to be open-minded' nonsense is just that. I don't have to swallow rat poison to know it would be an extremely bad thing to do - its irrational to argue that you have to physically experiment with a substance to understand that substance's effects.

Crumble Froo

Orizio wrote: »

Absurd isn't it?

really? is that what you're getting from this thread?

just because someone has an open mind about, say, drugs, doesnt necessarily mean they have an open mind about... say, gay rights, or kinky sex, or political reform.

I didn't mean that at all. I meant I wouldn't go out with someone that is completely against drugs and goes on about how harmful they are all the time.

Fair enough if someone was offered a joint or whatever and didn't want to smoke it, grand. Doesn't make them not open minded. I just hate it when people lecture on about how bad drugs are when they don't really know anything about the drug.

Orizio

Lia_lia wrote: »

I didn't mean that at all. I meant I wouldn't go out with someone that is completely against drugs and goes on about how harmful they are all the time.

Fair enough if someone was offered a joint or whatever and didn't want to smoke it, grand. Doesn't make them not open minded. I just hate it when people lecture on about how bad drugs are when they don't really know anything about the drug.

It rather sounds like you have problem with annoying people in general then, views on drugs and whatever else aside.

liah

Orizio wrote: »

Absurd isn't it?

Moreover, this 'try everything once to be open-minded' nonsense is just that. I don't have to swallow rat poison to know it would be an extremely bad thing to do - its irrational to argue that you have to physically experiment with a substance to understand that substance's effects.

Big difference between rat poison and marijuana. One obviously kills you. The other is a well-researched drug that has been consumed by humans for thousands of years and has little in terms of negative side effects, and it is impossible to die from smoking too much in one sitting.

It's that we find it fairly hypocritical when one drinks alcohol and refuses a joint if it's being passed around saying "ah no, I don't do drugs." :rolleyes:

tommmy1979

liah wrote: »

it would turn us off because he's making a decision about something without understanding the drug, its effects on him, etc.

I'm able to understand what effects a particular drug will have on me without taking it

liah

tommmy1979 wrote: »

I'm able to understand what effects a particular drug will have on me without taking it

That's impossible, considering the effects of drugs vary greatly from person to person.

Orizio

Orizio wrote: »

It rather sounds like you have problem with annoying people in general then, views on drugs and whatever else aside.

Shut UP!


:P


But you know what I mean.

I know this sounds gayy but I always have a better connection with people that have taken drugs. They do change you as a person.

Orizio

liah wrote: »

Big difference between rat poison and marijuana. One obviously kills you. The other is a well-researched drug that has been consumed by humans for thousands of years and has little in terms of negative side effects, and it is impossible to die from smoking too much in one sitting.

It's that we find it fairly hypocritical when one drinks alcohol and refuses a joint if it's being passed around saying "ah no, I don't do drugs." :rolleyes:

I never mentioned weed, a little bit of common sense would suggest the rat poison comparison is aimed at drugs that can kill if taken in large enough doses e.g. heroin.

krudler

liah wrote: »

That's impossible, considering the effects of drugs vary greatly from person to person.

I've never done drugs, as i dont like not being in control of my own actions, does that make me close minded?

liah

Orizio wrote: »

I never mentioned weed, a little bit of common sense would suggest the rat poison comparison is aimed at drugs that can kill if taken in large enough doses e.g. heroin.

Which I stated ages ago that I wouldn't go near. Heroin/Cocaine/Meth and Pot/E/LSD, which is what we ARE talking about, are two entirely different things.

krudler wrote: »

I've never done drugs, as i dont like not being in control of my own actions, does that make me close minded?

Do you drink?

minidazzler

I haven't taken any drugs aside from Alcohol. I would never say I won't ever take drugs, but I just don't really want to. (Except LSD, )

I will probably end up doing it a few times as I grow, but right now I don't see the point.

I can't go out ot a Pub without drinking as it is (I rarely go out, but I feel uncomfortable wihtout a drink if I do)

I'd rather not have the same way for weed.

OT, I would hope, that the fact I haven't taken drugs would not turn people off me. I have NOTHING against drugs, no drugs at all really. If they are not abused. I just don't do them myself!

krudler

liah wrote: »

Which I stated ages ago that I wouldn't go near. Heroin/Cocaine/Meth and Pot/E/LSD, which is what we ARE talking about, are two entirely different things.



Do you drink?

Occasionally, havent been drunk in years though, hence the whole not liking not being in control of my own actions. Its just the suggestions that someone is close minded becuase they havent been off their face on something is ludicrous, I have a friend who has never drank, couldnt tell you what an alcholic drink tastes like so by that logic he's close minded for making a personal choice not to drink? same as people who choose not to do other drugs ( in the non alchohol/pain medication/caffeine etc sense since people are so quick to point those out)

minidazzler

minidazzler wrote: »

I can't go out ot a Pub without drinking as it is (I rarely go out, but I feel uncomfortable wihtout a drink if I do)

I'd rather not have the same way for weed.

So you mean if you start to smoke weed you think you won't be able to go to a pub without having first smoked week?


Ah, I dunno. Don't get the not being able to go out without drink thing either. The majority of the time I go out and don't drink. Or anything. Wheras at the same time I take drugs the odd time. Just because you drink/take drugs doesn't mean you ALWAYS need to be drunk/high/whatever you call it when you go out.

liah

krudler wrote: »

Occasionally, havent been drunk in years though, hence the whole not liking not being in control of my own actions. Its just the suggestions that someone is close minded becuase they havent been off their face on something is ludicrous, I have a friend who has never drank, couldnt tell you what an alcholic drink tastes like so by that logic he's close minded for making a personal choice not to drink? same as people who choose not to do other drugs ( in the non alchohol/pain medication/caffeine etc sense since people are so quick to point those out)

You're missing the point, I think. I'd prefer a guy who was into them because it would be a common interest. I'd prefer a guy who tried them because I want to be able to relate to him. I'd think him close-minded if he chose not to simply because he thought it was wrong, or bad, not because he thought it wouldn't suit him; that's different entirely.

What's close-minded is looking at something and saying "I'm not going to do this because people say it's wrong." What's not close-minded is looking at something and saying "I don't like feeling out of control of myself, this drug does that, so I won't try it, but I don't judge people who do."

What's also close-minded is drinking alcohol and then looking down on people who do drugs, simply because their drug of choice, despite the amount of damage it does, is more "socially acceptable" than mine.