Drugs - mod warning post 75!

tommmy1979

liah wrote: »

it would turn us off because he's making a decision about something without understanding the drug, its effects on him, etc.

I'm able to understand what effects a particular drug will have on me without taking it

liah

tommmy1979 wrote: »

I'm able to understand what effects a particular drug will have on me without taking it

That's impossible, considering the effects of drugs vary greatly from person to person.

Lia_lia

Orizio wrote: »

It rather sounds like you have problem with annoying people in general then, views on drugs and whatever else aside.

Shut UP!


:P


But you know what I mean.

I know this sounds gayy but I always have a better connection with people that have taken drugs. They do change you as a person.

Orizio

liah wrote: »

Big difference between rat poison and marijuana. One obviously kills you. The other is a well-researched drug that has been consumed by humans for thousands of years and has little in terms of negative side effects, and it is impossible to die from smoking too much in one sitting.

It's that we find it fairly hypocritical when one drinks alcohol and refuses a joint if it's being passed around saying "ah no, I don't do drugs." :rolleyes:

I never mentioned weed, a little bit of common sense would suggest the rat poison comparison is aimed at drugs that can kill if taken in large enough doses e.g. heroin.

krudler

liah wrote: »

That's impossible, considering the effects of drugs vary greatly from person to person.

I've never done drugs, as i dont like not being in control of my own actions, does that make me close minded?

liah

Orizio wrote: »

I never mentioned weed, a little bit of common sense would suggest the rat poison comparison is aimed at drugs that can kill if taken in large enough doses e.g. heroin.

Which I stated ages ago that I wouldn't go near. Heroin/Cocaine/Meth and Pot/E/LSD, which is what we ARE talking about, are two entirely different things.

krudler wrote: »

I've never done drugs, as i dont like not being in control of my own actions, does that make me close minded?

Do you drink?

minidazzler

I haven't taken any drugs aside from Alcohol. I would never say I won't ever take drugs, but I just don't really want to. (Except LSD, )

I will probably end up doing it a few times as I grow, but right now I don't see the point.

I can't go out ot a Pub without drinking as it is (I rarely go out, but I feel uncomfortable wihtout a drink if I do)

I'd rather not have the same way for weed.

OT, I would hope, that the fact I haven't taken drugs would not turn people off me. I have NOTHING against drugs, no drugs at all really. If they are not abused. I just don't do them myself!

krudler

liah wrote: »

Which I stated ages ago that I wouldn't go near. Heroin/Cocaine/Meth and Pot/E/LSD, which is what we ARE talking about, are two entirely different things.



Do you drink?

Occasionally, havent been drunk in years though, hence the whole not liking not being in control of my own actions. Its just the suggestions that someone is close minded becuase they havent been off their face on something is ludicrous, I have a friend who has never drank, couldnt tell you what an alcholic drink tastes like so by that logic he's close minded for making a personal choice not to drink? same as people who choose not to do other drugs ( in the non alchohol/pain medication/caffeine etc sense since people are so quick to point those out)

Lia_lia

minidazzler wrote: »

I can't go out ot a Pub without drinking as it is (I rarely go out, but I feel uncomfortable wihtout a drink if I do)

I'd rather not have the same way for weed.

So you mean if you start to smoke weed you think you won't be able to go to a pub without having first smoked week?


Ah, I dunno. Don't get the not being able to go out without drink thing either. The majority of the time I go out and don't drink. Or anything. Wheras at the same time I take drugs the odd time. Just because you drink/take drugs doesn't mean you ALWAYS need to be drunk/high/whatever you call it when you go out.

liah

krudler wrote: »

Occasionally, havent been drunk in years though, hence the whole not liking not being in control of my own actions. Its just the suggestions that someone is close minded becuase they havent been off their face on something is ludicrous, I have a friend who has never drank, couldnt tell you what an alcholic drink tastes like so by that logic he's close minded for making a personal choice not to drink? same as people who choose not to do other drugs ( in the non alchohol/pain medication/caffeine etc sense since people are so quick to point those out)

You're missing the point, I think. I'd prefer a guy who was into them because it would be a common interest. I'd prefer a guy who tried them because I want to be able to relate to him. I'd think him close-minded if he chose not to simply because he thought it was wrong, or bad, not because he thought it wouldn't suit him; that's different entirely.

What's close-minded is looking at something and saying "I'm not going to do this because people say it's wrong." What's not close-minded is looking at something and saying "I don't like feeling out of control of myself, this drug does that, so I won't try it, but I don't judge people who do."

What's also close-minded is drinking alcohol and then looking down on people who do drugs, simply because their drug of choice, despite the amount of damage it does, is more "socially acceptable" than mine.

Notorious

I've no problem with drugs. A joint can be great when you're chilling out. As I think pretty much everyone said, I'd steer well away from the home-wrecking gear.

I think it'd be a bit narrow minded to judge someone for smoking a bit of dope. But saying that, I wouldn't judge someone for not wanting to try it either. Each to their own.

Relationship wise, I'd only have a problem if someone was currently doing any hardcore drug, or was depending on a drug of any kind (alcohol included).

EDIT:

Lia_lia wrote:

Don't get the not being able to go out without drink thing either.

+1 to that. Seems like that's a borderline alcohol problem IMO.

minidazzler

Lia_lia wrote: »

So you mean if you start to smoke weed you think you won't be able to go to a pub without having first smoked week?


Ah, I dunno. Don't get the not being able to go out without drink thing either. The majority of the time I go out and don't drink. Or anything. Wheras at the same time I take drugs the odd time. Just because you drink/take drugs doesn't mean you ALWAYS need to be drunk/high/whatever you call it when you go out.

No, but if I kept doing it in a certain situation, I would just keep doing that. I feel anxious when I don't have a pint in my hand in a pub, (Well, I used to, before last saturday It had Been AGES since I had been in a pub).

I don't know I would, but I don't want to.

I am sure I will try most drugs some day. Just not right now! Besides I have some friends who are totally anti-drugs, all drugs except drink, so I have noone to do it with!

krudler

liah wrote: »

You're missing the point, I think. I'd prefer a guy who was into them because it would be a common interest. I'd prefer a guy who tried them because I want to be able to relate to him. I'd think him close-minded if he chose not to simply because he thought it was wrong, or bad, not because he thought it wouldn't suit him; that's different entirely.

What's close-minded is looking at something and saying "I'm not going to do this because people say it's wrong." What's not close-minded is looking at something and saying "I don't like feeling out of control of myself, this drug does that, so I won't try it, but I don't judge people who do."

What's also close-minded is drinking alcohol and then looking down on people who do drugs, simply because their drug of choice, despite the amount of damage it does, is more "socially acceptable" than mine.

Thats fair enough, to clarify, i dont have a problem with people doing drugs, as long as they're not harming anyone (themselves included) that also goes for drink, I wouldnt like to be with someone who spends a lot of their time dependant on something that makes them altered state, I have a few friends who smoke weed, one in particular has changed a lot in the years since he's started doing it, much more moody and paranoid, lets the smallest things get to him,always thinks people are talking about him behind his back, so there is that aspect of a negative effect, not that it happens everyone but it can happen.
That being said I've been in the company of people stoned off their faces and those pissed out of their minds, and the stoned ones are A. a lot more fun and B. dont get into fights over stupid things, act all macho and jealous and generally cause a nuisance (the stoners do need lifts to places for food at 2am though:D)

The "socially acceptable" thing is a bit strange though, if you were to tell someone you were so pissed you woke up with a traffic cone on your head and found a microwaved shoe in the sink they'd laugh and call you great craic, tell someone the exact same story but while you on drugs and they'd be planning an intervention, thats life though

Lia_lia

krudler wrote: »

if you were to tell someone you were so pissed you woke up with a traffic cone on your head and found a microwaved shoe in the sink they'd laugh and call you great craic, tell someone the exact same story but while you on drugs and they'd be planning an intervention, thats life though

No, that's just Ireland.


:P

TimTim

krudler wrote: »

Thats fair enough, to clarify, i dont have a problem with people doing drugs, as long as they're not harming anyone (themselves included) that also goes for drink, I wouldnt like to be with someone who spends a lot of their time dependant on something that makes them altered state,

I'd like to think I'd be somewhat similar minded to krudler but in reality I'm not sure I'd be so tolerant, my thoughts would be more along the line of metaoblivia's. You can do whatever you like to your own body but not around me thanks.

metaoblivia wrote:

But currently, I would expect little to no drug use (and yes, I consider alcohol a drug). I live a very clean lifestyle and I think I would feel most comfortable with someone who was similar (and vice versa. If a guy is really into drugs and that lifestyle - even just experimenting - it's probably a real drag to have a girlfriend who rarely even takes a sip of alcohol).

I don't like not being in control of my own body so I've never been curious to find out what effect drugs would have on me although when I was in Amsterdam seeing a guy come out of a coffee shop with vomit all down the front of his tshirt does influence my decision that little bit more.

I don't drink either for the same reason and I can tell you the most I've ever tried was a mouthful of champagne at a birthday party. You'll rarely find me staying any length at any event where I'll end up being the only sober person around.

If that makes me close minded then so be it, it was my decision and any consequences that arise from it I'll learn to live with.

krudler

I don't like not being in control of my own body so I've never been curious to find out what effect drugs would have on me although when I was in Amsterdam seeing a guy come out of a coffee shop with vomit all down the front of his tshirt does influence my decision that little bit more.

I see puddles of vomit outside my building every other night and I live in an Irish town centre, I'm not anti drugs nor pro drugs really, I stay sober on nights out because i either feel like it, dont want to spend money on a taxi or just want to be able to leave of my own accord if its a night i'm not particulalry interested in, although that being said some of the best nights I've ever had out were when i was sober. Its just being around people that are pissed is much harder when you havent had a drink yourself, people really should be shown recordings of themselves while drunk to show how utterly arseholeish they can be, loud, obnoxious, talking utter bull**** to people and thinking they're coming across like Oscar ****ing Wilde with their drunk ramblings.
I refuse to go to nightclubs anymore while sober, pubs are ok but having drunk people bump into you all night just becomes more annoyingly apparent when you have all your faculties about you

Little Acorn

liah wrote: »

but if it was just because he had this idea in his head that "nope, I don't do drugs even though I've never tried them, end of" it would turn us off because he's making a decision about something without understanding the drug, its effects on him, etc.
Edited to say, it's like saying you don't like oranges without ever having tasted oranges. If you offered an orange to someone, and they said they didn't like it, and then told you they'd never tried it before, you'd say "well then how do you know you don't like it?"

It's that we find it fairly hypocritical when one drinks alcohol and refuses a joint if it's being passed around saying "ah no, I don't do drugs."

Would you consider yourself a hypocrite if a person offered you a line of coke at a party and you said," ah no I only smoke weed,and occasionally take lsd and ecstasy,but I don't do your 'hard' drugs?"

You say you are against these drugs for the following reasons:

I singled out heroin, meth and cocaine (there's other rough drugs too but I can't be bothered listing all of them; you get the idea) simply because they have high rates of falling back on the drug due to addiction even if addiction has been "overcome" and they are severely mentally and physically damaging.

One could argue the exact same thing for the drugs you take.

Now I think most people would agree that heroin and meth are some of the worst drugs about,but I know a few people who would think that a few lines of coke as a social thing wasn't as bad as lsd,or smoking weed daily.

For all the research that pro drug users can find to "prove" that drugs are ok,there is just as much information out there that states otherwise.

As you said yourself it's impossible to understand what effects a particular drug will have on you without taking it:

That's impossible, considering the effects of drugs vary greatly from person to person.

-exactly! That is why I find it slightly annoying that all through this thread you have

.described hash,lsd,ecstasy,MDMA etc. as clean and harmless.
-whilst lsd has been said to provide sometimes life changing realisations and amazing experiences for some people,and has even been tested for medical pain relief-in some people it causes frightening flashbacks long after it was taken,and has been linked to both short and long term psychosis.
This is usually in people who have an undiagnosed underlying mental health condition,that could be triggered by the lsd.

. said the most damage you can do to yourself while on E is just not drinking enough water-not true,due to the strain ecstasy puts on your heart it can cause heart attacks,and can also cause brain haemorrhages.-
It doesn't matter if the stats are 1 death in a million or even 1 in a billion-some people don't want to take that risk.

.stated that alcohol usage and weed usage are the exact same thing-they're not.One is legal-the other carries a criminal conviction if caught which could affect future job prospects.
I'm not saying that this is right or even fair,I actually think some drugs should be legalised even if I don't take them,but unfortunately they're not.

.said that marijuana has little in terms of negative side effects.-the scientific evidence might not yet be conclusive,but some people have their own personal stories linking marijuana to mental health difficulties and they haven't been disproved so there's a chance they may be right,
also lung damage(worse if mixed with tobacco),memory loss, and lack of energy and interest in day to day life can occur with some people.

What I'm trying to say is that just because for you personally these drugs are "harmless",or because some scientific study says that some drugs are less harmful than others for the majority of people-it doesn't mean that they are harmless for everybody.
Every person has the risk(nomatter how small) of either dying,becoming addicted,or suffering terrible experiences whilst using certain drugs.
This includes alcohol and cigarettes.

I smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol. I know all the health risks-cancer,heart damage,brain damage,liver damage,addiction,depression etc.
Thankfully not addicted to alcohol,but am very addicted to cigarettes.
I would have many stories about the "great craic" on a night out on the piss,and I'd expect other people to have great stories/experiences about times taking different drugs-no problem there.
I would however never describe my drugs as harmless or think that somebody was close-minded for not wanting to try them.

I'd be a bit weirded out if I went out with a guy who'd never tried drugs and was against them. It just shows me that they haven't done any research on the topic and are a bit closed off;

They could have done plenty of research and decided that drugs were too much of a risk,or could have dealt with people in their personal life who had serious problems with drugs.

I'd think him close-minded if he chose not to simply because he thought it was wrong, or bad,

I wouldn't think a person was close minded if they never wanted to try any of my drugs-cigarettes or alcohol,because they thought they were bad or wrong.
I think it would be more close minded of me to think that there was something wrong with that person-just cos they didn't agree with my drug choices.
Out of interest-if I refused to try heroin(like yourself) just because I think it's both bad and wrong-does that make me close minded?

Only a few of us in my group of friends don't take any illegal drugs,the rest do on a regular basis.
It doesn't affect our friendships,we all get along and still have a great time together.
My friends who take drugs,respect that it's just not something I'm interested in,and never acuse me of being close minded-quite the opposite infact.
I'm always there on every night out,and I never get asked to justify myself for not wanting to take drugs I've never tried. ,
none of my friends who take drugs would describe them as harmless,
-even if they do find some alot of fun!:)

I'm sorry if my post targets your posts specifically,I don't mean to annoy you-it's just that I found them to have some very sweeping statements regarding how harmless drugs are,and how people who don't want to try them just because they think they're bad are either "close minded",or "haven't done any research."
Just found it unfair,and it annoyed me-but normally I like your posts.:)

To answer original question-no it wouldn't make me dump them.

(sorry for really long post,expecting alot of "tl;dr" )

liah

My point is this: all the drugs mentioned in the two groups are very well-documented. Heroin and meth do not cater to casual users. It's rare, nearly unheard of, to see someone doing heroin or meth once in a blue moon. They are very dangerous and highly damaging to the majority of people and that is consistent.
LSD, e, and marijuana are capable of being used casually and while yes, there is a slim possibility that it may make someone react negatively, for the majority of people, the risks are very, very slim and if the user does have a negative reaction, it's an exception, not a rule, which cannot be said for heroin or meth, where it's the rule, not the exception that the drug is damaging to them.

Every drug has its risks. I am fully aware of how each drug affects me. I chose the drugs I do because I know the risk factor is slim for the majority of people, and I fell into the majority. I don't do the drugs I choose not to because I know the risk factor is high and it affects the majority of users negatively.

I would agree with your argument if all the drugs had a slim-to-none risk factor, but that's simply not the case. Comparing heroin and meth to e or pot is like comparing apples to oranges. They may both be fruit but they're totally different; they may all be drugs but they're totally different.

Does that make more sense..? It isn't hypocritical for me to deny a drug that affects most people badly and accept a drug that does not affect most people badly.

extra-ordinary_

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Would it make you dump someone if you found out they used to do them??

No.

How they are currently is more important..

Fink Goddie

Crumble Froo wrote: »

i can understand people who have issues with people who are currently using whatever drugs, and in that, i include things like codeine/solpadeine, etc,

Solpadeine, thats taking it to the extremes.

I wouldnt mind going out with a guy who never did drugs, but would hate to go out with someone who didnt drink. Dont think i could.

Crumble Froo

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Solpadeine, thats taking it to the extremes.

can't figure out if you're being sarcastic there or not. but taken at the wrong dosages, and solpadeine can be quite a powerful drug and one that causes withdrawal symptoms similar to opiate withdrawals.

and codeine is actually my favourite drug. absolute favourite, above alcohol and everything.

miss no stars

Hmmmm

Would I date someone that had used drugs in the past?

Alcohol - yes, provided no abuse
Tobacco - yes, provided no current use
Anything illegal.... probably not.

I hold the law in high regard. I dislike illegal activity. I dislike the violence associated with drug supply. I don't think I could see eye to eye with someone who thought otherwise.


Aside from that, I don't think I could possibly take drugs. No matter how safe people claim them to be, you don't know what you're getting unless you make it from scratch yourself. That is fact. At least with alcohol and tobacco there are controls and quality checks in place, you know what's in it and the effect it has on a given person in a given quantity remains the same for that person. It doesn't vary depending on whether they get a pint of beer from barman A or from barman B.

As for the point about if people do it in the privacy of their own home and not in public it's not harming anyone but them etc etc. Sorry. BULL SH!T. Drugs and the supply thereof cause wars. People DIE because you want to have your drugs. People are forced into slavery, governments corrupted, countries dissolve into violent, bloody messes.
Refusing to be a part of that (if you purchase drugs then you do become a part of it) doesn't make me closed minded, it makes me aware that actions have consequences and that those consequences can ruin lives.

I actually find it quite closed minded that some people can take the attitude of "I've had my fun and that's all that counts" while turning a blind eye to the suffering that THEY are inducing on others.

I also don't understand why someone would want to be stoned/high/drunk all day anyway. What purpose does that serve?

And on a very personal level, I've never taken drugs not prescribed for me nor do I intend to. Those that I have taken (opiates) I muchly did not like and was very sick trying to come off them. I took a vallium and was so bloody spaced out of it that I was trying to panic but was too spaced to, which in itself was quite a terrifying experience. I like my mind. It's nice and sharp. So are my reflexes. They'll be staying that way. I can't understand why anyone would want to do otherwise.


(And sorry if I am getting wrong info here, I saw Liah post that LSD is safe... Can't that cause serious flashbacks YEARS after taking it? Weed has been lined to schizophrenia - and I know someone who ended up with schizophrenia due to extended use. How is that safe? )

stovelid

As a guy, I think a partner taking certain drugs is fine. Like anything, it's when it interferes with finances, your job, your duty as a parent or it affects your relationships with your friends that it's a problem.

I know it's a laboured point but it is funny the amount of people that are so dead-set against Ecstasy, Cocaine, Hash and the like, but find borderline alcoholic behaviour or addiction to cigarettes not only acceptable, but worthy of lionization and in the case of drink: a cultural emblem of sorts.

Jules

Please, just to reiterate what Xiney has already said, this is not a debate on weather drugs are harmless/harmfull, good/bad or the classification. This is a thread discussing if drugs use would turn you off.

There are laws that govern the use of drugs for a reason and they are illegal for a reason. If you want to debate the legality of them then the humanities forum is the forum for you. As i dont see how it would have an effect on women unless they became legal but we were not allowed to buy them.

Any further off topic posting will result in a ban and infraction.

Wibbs

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Solpadeine, thats taking it to the extremes.

Not really. I know someone working in drug rehab and solpadeine/codeine abuse is very common.

krudler

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Solpadeine, thats taking it to the extremes.

I wouldnt mind going out with a guy who never did drugs, but would hate to go out with someone who didnt drink. Dont think i could.

Out of interest,why? Is it because non drinkers are seen as boring? I have 2 non drinker friends, a guy and girl, she used to drink as most people would, few times a month going out but she just lost interest in it, took up fitness and didnt see the point in having hangovers when she could be out running or doing something productive, he's never tasted alchohol, his personal choice, nothing to do with alchoholic parents or anything, but he's usually the life and soul of the party if we're out (and our taxi home lol)

If it was a choice of someone who needed a drink to liven up and be more sociable or someone who is lively and sociable without alchohol, i'd take the non drinker tbh I did date a non drinker a few years back and had some of the best nights out ever with her, yet anyone I've gone out with who drinks purely to get drunk as is the Irish saturday night norm we always wound up arguing as they were more drunk than i was and because i wasnt hammered and talking ****, like most drunk people tend to do, i was "moody"

shellyboo

I wouldn't dump someome for past drug use, but I couldn't date someone who still used drugs.

I've never tried any illegal drugs - never had the opportunity or the inclination to. I've just never seen the appeal.

I wouldn't say I'm closed-minded about it - I get why people take them and that people use them responsibly, I just... don't want to do it. And, as you guys are saying about not wanting to date someone who'd never had that experience, I wouldn't want to date someone who did it regularly.

Twee.

I dated someone who took a lot of pills and it just bothered me when they we're on a "whopper buzz" and I was just myself! Also at EP, me falling asleep in the tent and him WIDE awake, pissing me off. Never wake me up without a good reason
I could deal with someone taking pills the odd time, as long as it wasn't their only way to have a good time, but that's how I feel about booze as well. Night out does not mean let's get wasted.
Smokers I have no problem with!

Fink Goddie

krudler wrote: »

Out of interest,why? Is it because non drinkers are seen as boring?

Not just that no, i hate people that remember everything from a night out and keep telling ya what you did and said all night.
I love drinking so i'd like someone who'd get drunk with me

WindSock

shellyboo wrote: »

And, as you guys are saying about not wanting to date someone who'd never had that experience, I wouldn't want to date someone who did it regularly.

Exactly, each to their own.

There is a level of drug use that would turn me off though. I wouldn't go out with a full time smoker for instance.

Drugs have played a large part in my early adult life. I just couldn't be with someone who doesn't understand what it is like, or less, someone who doesn't want to. Simple as.

I have good friends who haven't ever touched drugs btw. And good friends who smoke very regularly. and we all get on grand.

Trashed

Went out with a guy who was a regular smoker..... I didnt mind aslong as it wasnt in my company...

We were still friends untill last week when we were texting and he told me he was doing other drugs for 'the buzz' I said well I hope you stay safe and you have no regrets etc trying to be civil and he said its not like I have a problem, those people floating around town have the problem and all i could think in my head was it all has to start somewhere .......... needless to say I dont think I will be talking to him again.

its not that I dont respect him or think any less of him for doing drugs its just not my thing and its the typical 'i've lost someone to drugs so I am afraid of everyone who does drugs will die' but at the end of the day people are able to fully function and have fun without drugs and without the financial costs and affects on their health. If i didnt still deeply care for him I dont think it would bother me as much.

Monkey61

Ideally for me, I would like my partners to be open minded about drugs and have similar views to myself. I like drugs. I don't do them regularly and when I do I really enjoy them. I really love E. It played a very important part in my past, and in growing up and I like to be able to have that shared past experience with people. It is something that I would like to be able to do with anyone I am going out with - on a very irregular basis though.

I do find it a bit frustrating that my current girlfriend has never done drugs of any kind and always refuses - just like in the way that if I really loved horse-riding and she would never come with me, I'd be a bit frustrated by it. It is an experience that I would like to share with her because it is something that I find so amazing. Similarly, while she drinks in moderation I also find it a bit frustrating that she would never just sit down with me and get hammered - because once in a while, I think that is a fun thing to do with people that you are close to.

I could only see myself breaking up with someone over drug use if they were doing excessive amounts to the extent that it was obviously damaging their health, mental faculties or having a seriously negative impact on their or my life.

Too much of anything is never good. I would like to be with someone who every now and again would wake up on a saturday morning and say "feck it, let's get stoned and drink wine for breakfast" - but if that was all they ever wanted to do, then it would get seriously boring.

IWishh

Fink Goddie wrote: »

krudler wrote: »

Out of interest,why? Is it because non drinkers are seen as boring?

Not just that no, i hate people that remember everything from a night out and keep telling ya what you did and said all night.
I love drinking so i'd like someone who'd get drunk with me

I'd agree with that.
Also, relating it to drugs, I take e regularly enough and when I've been on it around mates who don't take it I can see them analysing my every move out of the corner of my eye, like expecting me to strip naked, jump up on stage and rock out like a mentaler... they don't get its only e, I'm not gonna go mental on it.
So with a boyfriend, I'd like to feel perfectly comfortable around them, and since drugs are a part of my life I don't know if I could be with someone who didn't understand that part of me.

paddles

i got dumped recently and one thing that he brought up was that it bothered him when i told him i'd tried hash when a student (donkeys ago, mind) and he's totally anti-drugs. didn't like that i'd even considered it. thought such a "different attititude" to things like that would cause probs down the road...

was pretty flabbergasted tbh.

that said, i haven't used anything in 15yrs and have no interest tin same. i wouldn't like to date a habitual user and broke up with a guy once cos i thought he smoked too much weed.

eviltwin

I wouldnt have a problem if it was in the past. We all do stupid things and I'm no angel myself but I couldnt be with anyone who was still doing them even if it was just a bit of weed.

I've dabbled in drugs myself as a student but I've seen some dark things with people who were users and I just couldnt face the possibility of that with a loved one.

Since I had my kids I've really developed a zero tolerance approach to stuff like that - you have to with children - so much so that I dont think I could even date a man who smoked now

Dragan

helimachoptor wrote: »

You'd take LSD for the craic??
A guy i worked with took LSD in amsterdam a couple of years ago, started hallucinating and was about 1.5 seconds from being mauled by the cast iron wheels of a tram, now i know your reply will be "sure look what people do when they're drunk etc" Thats fine but I wouldnt be so blaise about taking LSD for the craic.

No offence, but if your mate is doing a hallucinogen outside, in a strange city....and nearly gets mangled by a tram....that is largely his fault for making a **** decision.

Seriously, what kind of a plank is he?

PeakOutput

miss no stars wrote: »

I hold the law in high regard. I dislike illegal activity. I dislike the violence associated with drug supply. I don't think I could see eye to eye with someone who thought otherwise.

so if it was a dutch guy or a californian you wouldnt have a problem with it?

have you ever been to a muslim country? you might not respect the laws there as much

As for the point about if people do it in the privacy of their own home and not in public it's not harming anyone but them etc etc. Sorry. BULL SH!T. Drugs and the supply thereof cause wars. People DIE because you want to have your drugs. People are forced into slavery, governments corrupted, countries dissolve into violent, bloody messes.
Refusing to be a part of that (if you purchase drugs then you do become a part of it) doesn't make me closed minded, it makes me aware that actions have consequences and that those consequences can ruin lives.

1. i know the supply chain of my drugs and it hasnt caused anything like you just said
2.are you religous?

I also don't understand why someone would want to be stoned/high/drunk all day anyway. What purpose does that serve?

none accept to ruin a life i dont think anyone is advocating being an addict be it an alcoholic or any other type of addict

(And sorry if I am getting wrong info here, I saw Liah post that LSD is safe... Can't that cause serious flashbacks YEARS after taking it? Weed has been lined to schizophrenia - and I know someone who ended up with schizophrenia due to extended use. How is that safe? )

you said it yourself, wrong info


i really dont care weather or not anyone does drugs just like i dont care if they smoke tobacco(i dont) or drink alcohol (i rarely do) i have a problem with people saying there is somehow a difference and then judging people because of it. i would never judge a potential girlfriend on anything close to weather they did / do like drugs but i would laugh in their face if they said 'sorry drugs are bad mmmkay i cant associate with you because you did something bad years ago'

eviltwin

Dragan wrote: »

No offence, but if your mate is doing a hallucinogen outside, in a strange city....and nearly gets mangled by a tram....that is largely his fault for making a **** decision.

Seriously, what kind of a plank is he?

Total idiot but taking LSD for the craic is just whack

I took it at a party 14 years ago and still have the odd visual disturbance to this day

I only took it the once. We were in a mates flat, four floors up and one of the lads decided to try and get out the window. It took 6 people to pull him down..that was the last time I ever took drugs, they just aren't worth it

cakes

My two cents:

I'd never, ever judge someone for what they've done in the past. I'd need to erase a lot of stuff in my own first :rolleyes:

That said I've been in a relationship with someone who smoked weed heavily, then it turned out the acid/coke weren't as 'in the past' as I'd thought and his using got me into a lot of bad and potentially dangerous situations until I removed myself from their life.

So while I wouldn't judge anyone for having 'dabbled' in the past or even for still using if that's their choice, there's no way I'd want to be in a serious relationship or even be socialising with someone who was still actively using. It's just not a scene I choose to associate myself with anymore!

Danniboo

I broke up with a guy who I was head over heels about because I found out he was big into the drug scene. Hardest thing ever. I fancied him for years, when we finally go together I was made up, we really clicked. But you have to look after number one.

PeakOutput

Danniboo wrote: »

I broke up with a guy who I was head over heels about because I found out he was big into the drug scene. Hardest thing ever. I fancied him for years, when we finally go together I was made up, we really clicked. But you have to look after number one.

just out of curiosity what part of his drug use affected you?

would you have kept with the relationship if he never did them around you? would he have given them up completely for you?

Red Hand

Not sure...depends on how hot she would be.:pac:

Seriously, I dunno. Depends on what drug and how frequently she'd use it. I personally don't like losing my edge that often.

miss no stars

PeakOutput wrote: »

so if it was a dutch guy or a californian you wouldnt have a problem with it?

I would have a problem with it, because aside from legality issues, I don't see why someone would want to destroy or change the essence of who they are. Just like I would have a problem with someone drinking or smoking to excess.

PeakOutput wrote: »

have you ever been to a muslim country? you might not respect the laws there as much

I've lived in one and respected and obeyed the laws of the land. I'm curious as to your assumption though, that I would flagrantly disobey laws and disrespect the laws of a people simply because "I want to have my fun and that's all that matters" (a la illegal drug usage). Did I not just say that I hold the law in utmost respect?

PeakOutput wrote: »

1. i know the supply chain of my drugs and it hasnt caused anything like you just said
2.are you religous?

1. It's nice that you do. Now seeing as you seem to be supporting the right of people to use drugs, I suppose you're working under the assumption that they, too, know the supply chain of their drugs? The original question asked about would you date a previous user. I find it highly improbable that every dope head in the country knows where their drugs come from. So the problem still remains; no guarantee that there hasn't been bloodshed so that they can have their fun.

2. No. I'm a law abiding citizen that's sick and tired of this country's attitude of "sweep it under the carpet" when it comes to crime. I'm sick of laws applying only where someone hasn't had a "deprived childhood" or isn't cairde fail. (Oh in case you missed this little gem of a fact... drugs = illegal. Users = criminals; albeit often unconvicted)

PeakOutput wrote: »

you said it yourself, wrong info

Actually it's disputed info. Naturally enough, getting ethical approval to run clinical trials would be near impossible in this day and age so... There's that unknown factor isn't there? You simply do not know.

PeakOutput wrote: »

i really dont care weather or not anyone does drugs just like i dont care if they smoke tobacco(i dont) or drink alcohol (i rarely do) i have a problem with people saying there is somehow a difference and then judging people because of it. i would never judge a potential girlfriend on anything close to weather they did / do like drugs but i would laugh in their face if they said 'sorry drugs are bad mmmkay i cant associate with you because you did something bad years ago'

So you're completely close minded to the possibility that people might just happen to have principles that they would stand by? Surely that's just as bad as the people you so despise.

I believe there is a difference between people willing to break the law and those that aren't willing to break the law. In fact, I've just stated the difference. Kinda puts paid to your suggestion that there is none doesn't it?

Humans are remarkably similar creatures, one and all. It's by our differences that we're judged, not by our similarities.

McChubbin

Ex-boyfriend was a part-time stoner. He swears he never bonged up whilst we were together but I don't believe him. At one point, he tried to score some Valium* off me because he was "feeling lousy 'cause it was raining".
Then his mother tried to get in on the act because she was having job trouble and wanted to "take the edge off".

What. the. ****?!

It put me off for life.

If I found out a guy was a druggie (weed/pot/party pills included), I'd dump him on the spot. Been through enough **** with addicts in my life to put up with this kind of malarkey.



*FYI- The Valium was prescribed for an on-going back injury that occasionally flares up.

PeakOutput

miss no stars wrote: »

I would have a problem with it, because aside from legality issues, I don't see why someone would want to destroy or change the essence of who they are. Just like I would have a problem with someone drinking or smoking to excess.

no1 is talking about doing anything to excess you seem to automatically assume that there is no level (leaving aside legality) that drugs cannot be taken socially 'normally' while at the same time you believe there is a level the two legal drugs can be consumed without issue.

I've lived in one and respected and obeyed the laws of the land. I'm curious as to your assumption though, that I would flagrantly disobey laws and disrespect the laws of a people simply because "I want to have my fun and that's all that matters" (a la illegal drug usage). Did I not just say that I hold the law in utmost respect?

my point was law is not a static thing it changes over time and from place to place you said you dont like it because its illegal i gave you two instances were it is not illegal. do you respect the law that cuts of peoples hands in saudi for stealing? or the numerous other ridicolous backwards laws in other countries?

1. It's nice that you do. Now seeing as you seem to be supporting the right of people to use drugs, I suppose you're working under the assumption that they, too, know the supply chain of their drugs?

no im not working under that assumption at all at all

2. No. I'm a law abiding citizen that's sick and tired of this country's attitude of "sweep it under the carpet" when it comes to crime. I'm sick of laws applying only where someone hasn't had a "deprived childhood" or isn't cairde fail. (Oh in case you missed this little gem of a fact... drugs = illegal. Users = criminals; albeit often unconvicted)

the only thing that you have said there that is correct is that the law should be applied the same to everyone. using drugs is not illegal possesion is in some cases and supply is what is illegal in all cases. using is not

Actually it's disputed info. Naturally enough, getting ethical approval to run clinical trials would be near impossible in this day and age so... There's that unknown factor isn't there? You simply do not know.

im open to correction here but trinity was researching the effects on human volunteers of mdma a few years ago. clinical trials and testing happen all the time and with far more dangerous chemicals the goverment just has to get out of the way first.

So you're completely close minded to the possibility that people might just happen to have principles that they would stand by? Surely that's just as bad as the people you so despise.

i am completely close minded to people who judge me before they know me yes. i hate football i dont judge people who play football to be as boring as the sport as soon as i meet them. drugs dont define me they arent even really an aspect of my life at all but if your close minded enough to believe im automatically not worthy in some way of your presence then im absolutely going to laugh in your face

I believe there is a difference between people willing to break the law and those that aren't willing to break the law. In fact, I've just stated the difference. Kinda puts paid to your suggestion that there is none doesn't it?

were did i say there was no difference between people who are willing to break the law and those that are not? i think you need to decide were your point of view is coming from are drugs bad because they are illegal or are they bad because they are dangerous or are they bad because they just are? is it a mix of all three? even if i accept that drugs are bad how does that then translate to the user automatically being bad and then to them being un date worthy of anyone on this thread who has said it will automatically count them out?

Humans are remarkably similar creatures, one and all. It's by our differences that we're judged, not by our similarities.

i try not to judge that may be the difference between us alright

Cupcake_Crisis

Honestly it would depend on what the drug was and how dependant they are/were on it. Im not really in a position to judge anyone for dabbling in drugs, but it really does depend on the person