2010 Target Weight

niceonetom

mloc123 wrote: »

calorie in < calorie out = fat loss

anything else is making it complicated.

Unfortunately uncomplicated =/= true.

It's quite possible to starve yourself and be totally sedentary and end up have a higher body fat percentage (even if you've lost weight).

blorg

There is worth to the point that lower exercise intensity increases the calories you get from fat. If you are overweight and primarily looking to shed weight you should IMHO be exercising at a lower intensity. If you exercise at a higher intensity you will (a) not be able to do as much of it due to recovery/motivation and (b) will have to consume calories to avoid bonking.

If not overweight I don't think it matters so much, you will shed weight racing and training for racing all right.

mloc123

niceonetom wrote: »

Unfortunately uncomplicated =/= true.

It's quite possible to starve yourself and be totally sedentary and end up have a higher body fat percentage (even if you've lost weight).

True enough, I read in Friels book about a study... 2 groups: 1 group consumed less calories, one group used more calories training... the group that consumed less lost more weight but a higher percentage of it was muscle.

But in general, work on a calorie defecit of 20% based on a combination of eating less(but better quality) and training more and it really is that simple.. imo and in my experience.

biker_joe

The start of my post reads "if you are looking to lose weight" so it was meant for those who are not race training ..... Not sure about 72 hour thingy never heard of that ... it ain't complicated either .... eat less / ride in the 60% zone = lose weight !!!!

Biker Joe

elduggo

biker_joe wrote: »

Just an FYI for those of you trying to lose weight on the bike, you need to be riding in your "fat burning zone" 60-70% of your Max Heart Rate, going slower is the key to burning fat, although some would think that going fast does it !!

Some HR monitors will give you the calories used with a % fat ..... Eg when I ride a TT my percentage is 15% at 190 bpm and when I do a FAT burn spin at 120 -140 bpm HR the percentage is around 55% .... so more than half the calories used is FAT ....

Anyways .. weight now is 78.9 Kg .( just 6ft ).... below 76 Kg will do for March, help chase those climbers up the hills ....

Biker Joe

spare a thought for the poor saps (ie: me) that have to chase you up the hill

biker_joe

This Hill ?

irishmotorist

I'm about 86kg and 182cm. Realistically, I want to drop about 6kg. More would be great, but I don't think I have the willpower to get beyond that. The less fatass that I have to haul, the easier it will be for me this year!

godihatethehils

mloc123 wrote: »

calorie in < calorie out = fat loss

anything else is making it complicated.

I'm not disputing that. I was concerned more with how to increase the 'calorie out' side of your equation.

niceonetom

Where's that biker_joe?

Chips Lovell

niceonetom wrote: »

Where's that biker_joe?

I believe they use it in the Swords league.

LastGasp

must... stop... eating... cream cakes...chocolates... etc etc. Bloody Christmas !

Raam

niceonetom wrote: »

Where's that biker_joe?

el tonto wrote: »

I believe they use it in the Swords league.

It was our hill climb TT.

biker_joe

Thats the about half way up the climb from Mogan to Presa de las Ninas in Gran Canaria.... I'll be there 1st week in Feb .....


Biker_joe

jwshooter

biker_joe wrote: »

Thats the about half way up the climb from Mogan to Presa de las Ninas in Gran Canaria.... I'll be there 1st week in Feb .....


Biker_joe

i was there ,but for a camel ride .

scoobydoo22

I am 5ft 10.5"

I currently weigh 85kg.
I am quite happy with my weight as I have a stocky build and enjoy gym,punchbag,yoga and football as well as cycling!
Maybe I could lose 1/2 kg;but then I look very gaunt!

I cycled Alpe d'Huez x2 and Col de Galibierx1 in August and was okay.
I think I had to put on a bit of weight after a week cycling in the Alps!

blorg

scoobydoo22 wrote: »

I am 5ft 10.5"

I currently weigh 85kg.
I am quite happy with my weight as I have a stocky build and enjoy gym,punchbag,yoga and football as well as cycling!
Maybe I could lose 1/2 kg;but then I look very gaunt!

I cycled Alpe d'Huez x2 and Col de Galibierx1 in August and was okay.
I think I had to put on a bit of weight after a week cycling in the Alps!

You could easily lose 15-20kg. That is 2-3x entire bikes. Depends on your priorities!

Diarmuid

blorg wrote: »

You could easily lose 15-20kg. That is 2-3x entire bikes. Depends on your priorities!

ouch. Tough love ! It's true though...

ROK ON

I think it is slightly unfair to suggest that Scooby could lose 20k. There are many many sports where an adult male weighing 65kg would be at a serious disadvantage. Football which he mentions (depending on the level played at) would be one.
Rugby, hurling, soccer all require a certain muscle mass these days.
It really is only endurance sports that call for lower weights.
My goal is 80kg sustainably. However if I played a physical ball sport for example then my weight currently is about right but my gat content is way way too high.
Horses for courses IMHO.

Caroline_ie

I am looking to lose 8kg for the marmotte if I can, there will be very little of me left. I have lost more than that before, I know it's doable.

mloc123

ROK ON wrote: »

I think it is slightly unfair to suggest that Scooby could lose 20k. There are many many sports where an adult male weighing 65kg would be at a serious disadvantage. Football which he mentions (depending on the level played at) would be one.
Rugby, hurling, soccer all require a certain muscle mass these days.
It really is only endurance sports that call for lower weights.
My goal is 80kg sustainably. However if I played a physical ball sport for example then my weight currently is about right but my gat content is way way too high.
Horses for courses IMHO.

I really think people over estimate the weight of muscle... and use it as an excuse. Yes its heavier than fat but 15-20kg of muscle is ALOT. Find pictures of somebody 5'10", 85kg and under 10% bf... thats bb territory.

mloc123

Just to back to up... this guy, who some may know:

Link

Is 6'1'' 83kg and less than 10%..

Lumen

mloc123 wrote: »

Just to back to up... this guy, who some may know:

Link

Is 6'1'' 83kg and less than 10%..

If you adjust that for height, he would be 76kg at 5'10".

hawkwing

H : 1.67m
W: 62.5kg

Target 59kg,very new to the cycling lark.

scottreynolds

Last year when I got a cycling coach she immedaite said my ideal 'cycling weight' was around 77kg for 176cm (5"10' about). At the time I laughed it off (as I was > 100kg). Now 77kg seems right to me...... see coaches are wise.

mloc123

Lumen wrote: »

If you adjust that for height, he would be 76kg at 5'10".

So you can imagine how big somebody would be at 85kg, 5'10'' and under 10%...

niceonetom

hawkwing wrote: »

H : 1.67m
W: 62.5kg

Target 59kg,very new to the cycling lark.

That's already reasonably light. I think people who are naturally light would often do better building their power first before trying to lighten load, and if you're new to cycling you might be better off staying the same weight and trying to get stronger. It's very hard to get stronger and lighter at the same time, so I'd do one then the other, and start with strength and cardio fitness.

Just a thought. It also depends on your starting point and how lean you are already etc.

d4r3n

Height: 180 cm (5 11)
Weight: 66 kg (146 lbs)

My ideal would maybe be 67/68 kg probably, taking off some bodyfat (15%~ now) and adding on some muscle.

blorg

ROK ON wrote: »

I think it is slightly unfair to suggest that Scooby could lose 20k.

I said he could, not that he should or must. The idea that someone 5ft10 weighing 83-84kg would look "gaunt" is ridiculous. If his priorities are cycling in the Alps then losing 15-20kg would be a very good idea. If he has other priorities then don't.

niceonetom

Whatever about could you used the word easily. Easily lose 15-20kgs. Nothing easy about that.

hawkwing

http://www.cervelo.com/riders.aspx
No very heavy women there!
Deignan
Height: 180 cms
Weight: 64 kg

blorg

niceonetom wrote: »

Whatever about could you used the word easily. Easily lose 15-20kgs. Nothing easy about that.

I didn't mean easy in that sense, obviously it would take an effort to shift that amount of weight. Meant it in the sense of if he lost 15-20kg he would be an appropriate weight for cycling in the mountains, e.g. he would not be anywhere near underweight at 15-20kg lighter.

scoobydoo22

I accept if you are competing in racing and want to achieve an optimum weight, fair enough.
But I cycle, play football, martial arts, boxing, yoga etc. So at just under 5ft 11" and 13 stone, I can compete very well in football and have good power in martial arts and gym. I have a stocky, sort of rugby player build;go to the gym a lot!
I love cycling, and find it very effective to maintain/improve my fitness.
So for me, my weight is good. When I train up for the Alps next year, I will tone up a bit more, but I would not want to lose too much bulk for my other sports.

I also don't accept that it is easy to lose 15kg. Maybe for Lance Armstrong!

Caroline_ie

Take the National Champ's advice ( interview by Shane Stokes )

blorg

@scooby- if you are happy at that weight, fine, it is certainly nothing crazy. I was just saying that you could be 15-20kg lighter and still would not be in any way close to underweight. You posted that losing 1-2kg would leave you looking "gaunt" which frankly is ridiculous. If your priority is cycling up mountains your current weight is actively working against you there. If you have other priorities then fine.

Caroline_ie

I find it easy to brown off people by pointing out they need to lose weight, because maybe in pro-cycling terms they might do but they are a very normal weight in the 'normal' world.
I hate it especially men tell women they should lose a few lbs to be faster on the bike. I find it very patronizing and tbh quite depressing. I know I will never be 48kg

scoobydoo22

Think I will just have to grit my teeth and sweat some more going up the Alps in 2010.
I will have surplus weight going up the mountains;accept your point!
But I will have more power in other sports.

Your priority is cycling and racing;and fair play to u on this.
My priorities are a range of sports!
Think the next few days, any talk of 'target weight' will go out the window!

fletch

I'm 62kg and 5'10"....I don't have a target weight as I'm pretty happy with my weight

mloc123

scoobydoo22 wrote: »

But I will have more power in other sports.

but fat does not equal power, muscle does.. hence my earlier posts

hynesie

mloc123 wrote: »

but fat does not equal power, muscle does.. hence my earlier posts

Ah come on lads, he's happy with his current targets lets leave it at that.

Billy Whizz

I wouldn't bother worrying about weight loss or body fat percentage if you're planning on starting out racing in this country. Just ride you bike.

There are far too many lads on this forum who've never raced (outside of club leagues, triathlons etc) talking about dropping from say 68kg to 65kg as if it's going to make the world of difference. It won't. Don't compare yourself to pro riders, you're not riding the Tour.

blorg

mloc123 wrote: »

but fat does not equal power, muscle does.. hence my earlier posts

Also a bit direct, but it is true, sorry. This is after all a thread about weight loss on a cycling forum. Some people are in denial...

Big boned, stocky, large frame... sorry, these are all just excuses. I used to have a "large frame"... before I lost a lot of weight.

If he is happy with his weight that is fine, he is hardly obese... But could certainly lose fat and improve Alpine cycling while maintaining or even increasing muscle mass and not compromising the other sports.

I do a lot of hills myself (including the Alps and Pyrenees) and weight really does make a major difference to how it feels, it feels a lot better if you are lighter!

mloc123

3kg while running makes quite a difference.

I'm not looking to start an argument, and the only reason I am arguing the point is based on the 'gaunt' comment. I too was always 'astocky bulid', and 'wide shouldered'.. until I lost a few stone... shoulders are still a little too wide now :P

niceonetom

Billy Whizz wrote: »

I wouldn't bother worrying about weight loss or body fat percentage if you're planning on starting out racing in this country. Just ride you bike.

There are far too many lads on this forum who've never raced (outside of club leagues, triathlons etc) talking about dropping from say 68kg to 65kg as if it's going to make the world of difference. It won't. Don't compare yourself to pro riders, you're not riding the Tour.

Sorry, but gravity doesn't give a siht what racing licence you have.

Go into tesco, pick up a 7kg ham (that's my target) and tell me that carrying that lump up a hill won't slow you down. Now think about carrying that ham up an alp, because that's where I'll be this summer.

blorg

niceonetom wrote: »

Sorry, but gravity doesn't give a siht what racing licence you have.

Go into tesco, pick up a 7kg ham (that's my target) and tell me that carrying that lump up a hill won't slow you down. Now think about carrying that ham up an alp, because that's where I'll be this summer.

It's very relevant doing the Marmotte; it's not so relevant racing in Ireland though where the courses don't tend to be that hilly.

scoobydoo22

So are Gordon Darcy and Brian O'Driscoll fat?
Blorg you will probably go up the Alps faster than me and I will carry extra weight, most of it is muscle to be honest;agreed!
But on the other hand, put me on the rugby field, GAA pitch or in the boxing ring and the result will be different;guaranteed.
I don't want to weigh much less than I am currently.
I think it is brill that you are so dedicated to your sport, but I am looking at it from a different perspective. I am happy being fit across a range of sports.

Billy Whizz

niceonetom wrote: »

Sorry, but gravity doesn't give a siht what racing licence you have.

I'm sorry but that has to be the most cringeworthy things I've heard in a long time.

niceonetom wrote: »

Go into tesco, pick up a 7kg ham (that's my target) and tell me that carrying that lump up a hill won't slow you down. Now think about carrying that ham up an alp, because that's where I'll be this summer.

My post wasn't directed at people like yourself. I wish you the best of luck in the Alps with your goal.

mloc123

scoobydoo22 wrote: »

So are Gordon Darcy and Brian O'Driscoll fat?
Blorg you will probably go up the Alps faster than me and I will carry extra weight, most of it is muscle to be honest;agreed!
But on the other hand, put me on the rugby field, GAA pitch or in the boxing ring and the result will be different;guaranteed.
I don't want to weigh much less than I am currently.
I think it is brill that you are so dedicated to your sport, but I am looking at it from a different perspective. I am happy being fit across a range of sports.

okay, so you don't want to drop weight... what are you doing in this thread?

niceonetom

I think saying you need to turn pro and ride tours before weight becomes a factor is pretty cringeworthy too, Billy. It's also patronising and incorrect.

Billy Whizz

niceonetom wrote: »

I think saying you need to turn pro and ride tours before weight becomes a factor is pretty cringeworthy too, Billy. It's also patronising and incorrect.

That's not what I said, read back over my post. You're putting words in my mouth.

mloc123

Is it me or does today feel more like a Friday