Doping is soccer

RobFowl

Just wondered what the feeling is on this story

CSKA Moscow pair Sergei Ignashevich and Aleksei Berezutsky have been banned for one match after failing a dope test.
Uefa also fined CSKA fined 25,000 euros for not adhering to anti-doping rules.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8418615.stm

I come from a cycling backround and there a 2 year ban would be considered standard......................................

ctrl-alt-delete

I know it's probably a different power that handed the ban to Ferdinand, but he got 9 months for missing a test,

these lads take a test and fail it and get a 1 game ban? great message to be sending out if this is the standard now, sure it's more of a ban for a straight red.

daithijjj

From what i gather it was just a matter of a form not being filled out and the banned substance was not performance enhancing so not a big deal tbh. They got a match ban to serve as a 'reminder' to all other clubs id imagine.

ctrl-alt-delete

daithijjj wrote: »

From what i gather it was just a matter of a form not being filled out and the banned substance was not performance enhancing so not a big deal tbh. They got a match ban to serve as a 'reminder' to all other clubs id imagine.

Was it a similar story to Paddy Kenny then? or do you know what the difference was there?

MementoMori

Worth reading the article.

Two lads took some medicine for a cold while away on international duty and someone in the club's office didn't inform UEFA.

A Uefa spokesman said the offence "was not a case of intentional doping to improve performance"

Mockadious

Brien

IMO the ban was harsh, it was a f*ck up by a doctor, after they took cold medicine. Not drugs, not a banned substance, just a clerical error.

ctrl-alt-delete

MementoMori wrote: »

Mockadious

I've seen you use this a few times now and it's bugging me what is it or what does it mean?

MementoMori

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I've seen you use this a few times now and it's bugging me what is it or what does it mean?

Jeez flak from all angels today. Got grief about my use of tasty earlier and now this.

Basically an adjective formed from the word mockery.
Generally meaning extremely silly, expect sillier and more pointless.

In this case it was a criticism of a nothing story.

daithijjj

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Was it a similar story to Paddy Kenny then? or do you know what the difference was there?

Not sure to be honest. Did kenny not take something on his own whereas the medicine these lads took was given by the team doctor who happened to forget to fill the right form out?.........kennys ban was a bit harsh imo.

event

daithijjj wrote: »

Not sure to be honest. Did kenny not take something on his own whereas the medicine these lads took was given by the team doctor who happened to forget to fill the right form out?.........kennys ban was a bit harsh imo.

yeah kenny took his on his own and didnt tell anyone, these guys were given something which they didnt know about

i have no sympathy for Kenny

they are given every year a list of stuff that they cannot use and are told that if they get any medicine at all, they have to run it by the club doctor first, or at least inform him after

kenny did none of these

RobFowl

Brien wrote: »

IMO the ban was harsh, it was a f*ck up by a doctor, after they took cold medicine. Not drugs, not a banned substance, just a clerical error.

Brien cold medicine's are drugs !!
And it was a banned substance (on the WADA list of banned substances).!!

And thats if you believe their story..............

I don't know the exact substance but it's probably pseudoephidrine or ephidrine both of which occur in low doses in cough medication but also are available as stand alone drugs at higher doses.
And they are performance enhancing...

daithijjj

event wrote: »

yeah kenny took his on his own and didnt tell anyone, these guys were given something which they didnt know about

i have no sympathy for Kenny

they are given every year a list of stuff that they cannot use and are told that if they get any medicine at all, they have to run it by the club doctor first, or at least inform him after

kenny did none of these

I think 9 months was over the top to be honest, did stam not get get 4 months for taking something much worse?

event

daithijjj wrote: »

I think 9 months was over the top to be honest, did stam not get get 4 months for taking something much worse?

dont know about stam, but that was a different FA so cant comment really

ah its a long time but they usually do that to set a precedent

daithijjj

RobFowl wrote: »

Brien cold medicine's are drugs !!
And it was a banned substance (on the WADA list of banned substances).!!

And thats if you believe their story..............

I don't know the exact substance but it's probably pseudoephidrine or ephidrine both of which occur in low doses in cough medication but also are available as stand alone drugs at higher doses.
And they are performance enhancing...

Tea, coffee and beer contain stimulants.

Id guesstimate that cycling is a much more rigorous testing procedure and stiffer penalties. Sure the uefa spokesman has practically said they are innocent and it was just a clerical issue.

The_Kew_Tour

tbh I dont think footballers would be taking as much performance enhancing drugs as some other sports.

By far I think Rugby players get away with lot more. Some those boys take stuff that really is crazy.

leninbenjamin

OP did you read what they were banned for?

cold and flu medicine. It says Sudofed, the active ingredient of which is pseudoephedrine. I don't even think its even a stimulant like the journalists have reported, one of the main side effects is drowsiness and fatigue. Such typical sh*te tabloid journalism.

RobFowl wrote: »

I don't know the exact substance but it's probably pseudoephidrine or ephidrine both of which occur in low doses in cough medication but also are available as stand alone drugs at higher doses.
And they are performance enhancing...

Didn't see this post. You have a link? I think it's more that it is used to mask the presence of other substances (like a hell of a lot of other over-the-counter medicines can). Never heard of it being used as a performance enhancer before.

noodler

event wrote: »

yeah kenny took his on his own and didnt tell anyone, these guys were given something which they didnt know about

i have no sympathy for Kenny

they are given every year a list of stuff that they cannot use and are told that if they get any medicine at all, they have to run it by the club doctor first, or at least inform him after

kenny did none of these

You need a glass of coke or something to take away your bitterness.

RobFowl

leninbenjamin wrote: »

OP did you read what they were banned for?

cold and flu medicine. It says Sudofed, the active ingredient of which is pseudoephedrine. I don't even think its even a stimulant like the journalists have reported, one of the main side effects is drowsiness and fatigue. Such typical sh*te tabloid journalism.

The difficulty with sudofed is that it is a brand name which is used for different combinations of drugs in different countries, thus it is not clear what the substance they actually tested positive for actually was

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Didn't see this post. You have a link? I think it's more that it is used to mask the presence of other substances (like a hell of a lot of other over-the-counter medicines can). Never heard of it being used as a performance enhancer before.

"Pseudoephedrine
Pseudoephedrine will be reintroduced to the List.
Until 2003, pseudoephedrine was prohibited in sport. It has been included in WADA’s Monitoring Program annually from 2004 on. (The Monitoring Program includes substances that are not prohibited in sport but are monitored by anti-doping laboratories in order to detect patterns of misuse.)
Results of the Monitoring Program over the past five years have shown a sustained increase in samples containing pseudoephedrine. The Program indicated clear abuse of this substance with high concentrations in a number of sports and regions. In addition, available literature shows scientific evidence of the performance-enhancing effects of pseudoephedrine beyond certain doses.
Based on the results of the Monitoring Program, as well as scientific literature and results of controlled excretion studies conducted by WADA, pseudoephedrine will be prohibited above 150 micrograms per millilitre."
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Science-Medicine/Prohibited-List/QA-on-2010-Prohibited-List/

Guy:Incognito

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I know it's probably a different power that handed the ban to Ferdinand, but he got 9 months for missing a test,
.

Seperate issue, but missing a test has to have an equal or bigger ban than failign one, otherwise anyoen thats knows they will fail will just "miss" the test instead.

Mitch Connor

Stekelly wrote: »

Seperate issue, but missing a test has to have an equal or bigger ban than failign one, otherwise anyoen thats knows they will fail will just "miss" the test instead.

Or just a two week fine if you are not a well known player.:rolleyes:

leninbenjamin

RobFowl wrote: »

In addition, available literature shows scientific evidence of the performance-enhancing effects of pseudoephedrine beyond certain doses.

Interesting, I was pretty sure that had been disproven (and having overdosed on it for the last two weeks I noticed myself feeling a lot more fatigued, although i guess when your sick it's hard to pinpoint causes) . Heck a google returns 'possibly by masking fatigue' which sounds suspiciously like the behaviour of your standard placebo :rolleyes: You'd have though someone as important as WADA would make the studies they base their decisions on readily accessible. All google returns is that stupid sound byte.