Dr Who season 5

Ridley

I liked it.

Should have just

crashed the TARDIS from the start and none of those hanging shenanigans

and I don't like that it sounds as though the middle 8 has been taken out of the end theme but those are my only real complaints. Tweed suit DO NOT WANT.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

I loved it... Thought it was awesome... Also, is all the discussion gonna be in this thread or will there be separate threads for each episode?

iguana

CaptainNegative wrote: »

Also, is all the discussion gonna be in this thread or will there be separate threads for each episode?

There is this one about this episode.

matrim

Ok, I'm not sure if this is deserving of a new thread or not but it is related to season 5 and I think of interest.

It contains a spoiler so be warned.

River Song is set to appear in episode 4.

The last time she was in it (the library) she mentions that the doctor opens the tardis with a click of the fingers. DT does this at the end of the episode but the next time (I think) we see it is when Matt Smith opens the tardis at the start of episode 1 this season.

Could this be some foreshadowing for stuff that happens this season, with this being the first time the doctor meets her, and leading to him revealing his real name and giving away a sonic screwdriver.

Ziggy_1972

Alright, but how does she recognise him? I know that Timelords always recognise each other, regardless of their body, but there has been no suggestion that River is a Timelord. If she knows him with Matt's body, why does she recognise DT as her doctor, husband or whatever....
By the way, did anybody see the Tom Baker interview on Sky Arts? Marvellous,.....

pixelburp

I'm not sure that she did recognise him: I don't recall her mentioning his name. I assumed that this upcoming story was going to show their first adventure & meeting, rather than a "oh it's you" continuation?

Killer_banana

I think the next episode is going to be their first meeting (from River's perspective) or if nto then she will have seen him in matt's body before.

As for in the library she sent him a message on the psychic paper (although she didn't mean to send it back as far as she did) and I'm guessing she just presumed it was him because who else could it be in a deserted library?

Ziggy_1972

pixelburp wrote: »

I'm not sure that she did recognise him: I don't recall her mentioning his name. I assumed that this upcoming story was going to show their first adventure & meeting, rather than a "oh it's you" continuation?

No, I meant that she recognised him as DT. I'm presuming that this story is their first meeting from her point of view.

Daemos

Just found this clip from one of the River Song episodes that explains why the Tardis goes "vroop" when it lands, found it funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKMwGJNJLg

Sleepy

Love it!

popebenny16

The entire angle of how she finds 10 so old in Silence of the Library is intresting. When SM wrote it it was not cast in stone (no pun) that DT would be leaving. On the shoot of Silence of the Library he told DT that he was writing fnarg 1 on monday and he needed a decision, he had two different ways of doing it depending on who was the Doctor.

So it wasnt always 11 she was going to meet.

Wonder how that fits in with her knowing all about the Tardis....

iUseVi

That clip is excellent. Can't wait for this episode now.

Doctor DooM

Wait.


The sonic screw driver River had was a modified version of DT's, which is now destroyed... how does he give it to her?


Wibbley wobbley...

Daemos

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Wait.


The sonic screw driver River had was a modified version of DT's, which is now destroyed... how does he give it to her?


Wibbley wobbley...

Well The Doctor now knows what her one looked like, and since it being similar to DTs he probably knows that it has to look that way for things to go the way they went in SITL, so he makes a new one specially for her perhaps?

Killer_banana

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

Well The Doctor now knows what her one looked like, and since it being similar to DTs he probably knows that it has to look that way for things to go the way they went in SITL, so he makes a new one specially for her perhaps?

I thought that the screwdriver he has now was the one he gives her. Was that not why Moffat destroyed the old one?

Daemos

No the one he has now has a green/yellow light and much bigger. The one he gave her was basically his old one with a few extras added to it (I only remember all this because I re-watched those episodes the other night btw, it's not that I have a good memory )

popebenny16

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

No the one he has now has a green/yellow light and much bigger. The one he gave her was basically his old one with a few extras added to it (I only remember all this because I re-watched those episodes the other night btw, it's not that I have a good memory )

it is the old one with a finger ring, some extra gadgets at the end, a new light setting and the memory chip but in. I have one at home .

in a previous story... was it Masque of Madregoria (sp...) the fourth Doctor showed Sarah the old console room, which had an old sonic in it, so maybe he has them lying around.

Doctor DooM

popebenny16 wrote: »

it is the old one with a finger ring, some extra gadgets at the end, a new light setting and the memory chip but in. I have one at home .

in a previous story... was it Masque of Madregoria (sp...) the fourth Doctor showed Sarah the old console room, which had an old sonic in it, so maybe he has them lying around.

It explodulated!

Anyway there's a million and 1 ways she could have gotten it, but it's fun to notice these things.

Pittens

No, I meant that she recognised him as DT. I'm presuming that this story is their first meeting from her point of view.

She explains that in the latest episode, she has a book with all the doctors she meets in it.

Ziggy_1972

Hmm, in the DT episode they hinted that she could be his wife, but they've pushed that too far, so she's obviousely not.
So who is she? Is she a con-artist? Could she possibly be Jenny (or Geni, or however it's spelled)?

iUseVi

Ziggy_1972 wrote: »

Hmm, in the DT episode they hinted that she could be his wife, but they've pushed that too far, so she's obviousely not.
So who is she? Is she a con-artist? Could she possibly be Jenny (or Geni, or however it's spelled)?

Well we know from the conversation with the Bishop that she has a dirty secret. Interesting.

pixelburp

iUseVi wrote: »

Well we know from the conversation with the Bishop that see has a dirty secret. Interesting.

A dirty secret involving jailtime. I would possibly think that yes, she's a regeneration of the up-until-now happily forgotten "daughter" of the Doctor, but perhaps some of the dialogue from River Song is a tad too familiar to be his daughter.

Doctor DooM

just as likely Susan as Jenny, or even possibly the mammy timelord that never got explained but who I like to think is the white Guardian.

EDIT: Still actually think she's just a wifey though.

Aids By Google

I have been a WHO fan since I was a kid, read most of the books and seen most of the TV but this series is really annoying me. I have really enjoyed the last few incarnations but things like this Doctor just ROARING out loud in anger for no real reason and his new assistant passing comment like she has been around him all her life are just annoying. It is like longer stories (2 episodes?) are being squashed into one episode and we have to suspend our belief.

Yes I am aware that you have to suspend you belief for the WHO but god damn this series is annoying on some levels.

For me anyway

iguana

I agree, this series really, really isn't working for me.

jasonb

I have to agree as well.

It all just seems so rushed to me. Matt Smith seems to be running around, shouting and muttering and generally always hyper, I can't get a read on him. Maybe I miss the quieter moments we got with DT's Doctor. Apart from just a little glimpse of the doubts in his mind that we saw in Amy's Choice, Matt's Doctor just doesn't seem to have any of the lonliness, sorrow, anger or just sheer age.

It's all a bit madcap and doesn't seem to have a soul, if that makes sense?

I don't know, I just can't seem to get 'involved' with this series. I'm watching it, there are bits I like, but it's just not the same for me. Maybe I'm set in my ways!

J.

Apolloyon

I think the thing you have to remember that this series is a whole bunch of new things. New Doctor. New companions. New TARDIS. Brand new story arc.

And while yes we've had all this before. The difference between five years ago and now is plain to see. Go and rewatch Season 1 opener: 'Rose' again. It's really quite poor in parts (in comparison to later episodes) and don't get me started on the bins that eat people!

The real difference between then and now is expectations. Let's face it. Expectations for the the new series back in '05 were really low. No one thought it would be as successful as it was.

As for the dodgy CGI this season. It's a fair point. But the reality is that the BBC has been on a massive cost cutting drive and either the budget for the series would have had to go down or there would be no new Who this year. I expect most of the budget has been saved for the finale.

Also as regards there not being a 'heart' or 'soul' to this season, I would have to agree with that in principle but again point to all the 'new stuff' they had to get out of the way first that delayed that momentum. I also think that Moffat is deliberately keeping his cards close to his chest on this one. Which is why I think the second half of this season will once again give us the emotional anchor for this series. I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

Aids By Google

Apolloyon wrote: »

I think the thing you have to remember that this series is a whole bunch of new things. New Doctor. New companions. New TARDIS. Brand new story arc.

And while yes we've had all this before. The difference between five years ago and now is plain to see. Go and rewatch Season 1 opener: 'Rose' again. It's really quite poor in parts (in comparison to later episodes) and don't get me started on the bins that eat people!

The real difference between then and now is expectations. Let's face it. Expectations for the the new series back in '05 were really low. No one thought it would be as successful as it was.

As for the dodgy CGI this season. It's a fair point. But the reality is that the BBC has been on a massive cost cutting drive and either the budget for the series would have had to go down or there would be no new Who this year. I expect most of the budget has been saved for the finale.

Also as regards there not being a 'heart' or 'soul' to this season, I would have to agree with that in principle but again point to all the 'new stuff' they had to get out of the way first that delayed that momentum. I also think that Moffat is deliberately keeping his cards close to his chest on this one. Which is why I think the second half of this season will once again give us the emotional anchor for this series. I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

I won't disagree with what you have said but for me it is not the CGI or a new doctor or any of that. It is just the story telling seems slightly off.

An example of what I meant, and I am pulling this from a now distant memory is in the Angel episode 1 there was a bit were that other woman said something like "Doctoror, when have I ever know you to be rude to people" Sarcasticly, and rolled her eyes at Amy, who responded with something like "Yeah like THAT never happens" Que them laughing together.

All I could think was eh... Amy... new... hardly knows the bloke... maybe I am missing something and they have been together for years via time travel.

It has happened a few times and that is why I mentioned suspending my belief in my last post.

Regardless I will always be a fan but just not the most pleased at the moment. I will always give DW the time of day

Pittens

All I could think was eh... Amy... new... hardly knows the bloke... maybe I am missing something and they have been together for years via time travel.

As mentioned in the thread about the last episode by more than one person - we dont know how long they have been together. It could be months in their time. And people who are confined like that get to know each other real fast.

How can you watch DR Who without suspending your belief?

Aids By Google

Pittens wrote: »

How can you watch DR Who without suspending your belief?

I can Just at time it seems "off" to me.

pixelburp

Well we're not yet done with Amy's story line at all, so I wouldn't yet dismiss her over-familiarity just yet as it could play a part in things.

Daemos

My mother was saying this last night and I was thinking about it as well, so just wondering if anyone else considered it.

I wonder if the Pandorica is the Gallifreyan version of the Pandora's Box myth?

Cows Go µ

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

My mother was saying this last night and I was thinking about it as well, so just wondering if anyone else considered it.

I wonder if the Pandorica is the Gallifreyan version of the Pandora's Box myth?

I just assumed that without really thinking. Whatever it is, I'm willing to bet its awesome anyway

spongeman

Ive been watching WHO since the start of the Pertwee era, and I find this series very entertaining myself. Moffat is a very good writer, which helps. His episodes always seem to go past quickly, which is a good sign.

As for Matt Smith....a bold move for sure.But he has done well. Its a young Doctor, a fresh start all round.