Retarded driving I seen yesterday

roosterman71 · 21-12-2009 11:12am #1

I went to Liffey Valley SC yesterday. After the exit from the N4 and outside the Clarion hotel, a blue car (can't remember the make) came up along the outside lane past me and then indicated to get into my lane. Since I wasn't in any hurry and in a happy mood, I allowed them to pull in. 20 yards later the hazards were on and she just parked in front of me. No way past as the outer lane was jammers. I sat on the horn and gave a stern look as I managed to go by. She just smiled. It ruined my happy mood.

And then on the way back west along the M4, doing 125/130kph (120kph according to the sat nav

) while overtaking a string of cars, some dick came flying up in a 08 Passat and then started flashing me to pull in. "No way Ted" I thought but he wasn't gonna wait so he cut into the left lane where there was a gap, floored it and then drove out in front of me again causing me to brake. Complete jackass. I was flying along and about to pass another car when he pulled this stunt.

Atomic Pineapple · 21-12-2009 11:14am

roosterman71 wrote: »

And then on the way back west along the M4, doing 125/130kph (120kph according to the sat nav ) while overtaking a string of cars, some dick came flying up in a 08 Passat and then started flashing me to pull in. "No way Ted" I thought but he wasn't gonna wait so he cut into the left lane where there was a gap, floored it and then drove out in front of me again causing me to brake. Complete jackass. I was flying along and about to pass another car when he pulled this stunt.

Oh no, here we go.........

roosterman71 · 21-12-2009 11:15am

I knew that would get a reaction

neilthefunkeone · 21-12-2009 11:18am

So you were pi**ed off when someone blocked your path but then went on to block other peoples path while speeding....

You sir are a champion of idiocy...

folan · 21-12-2009 11:23am

Theres a bit of a difference between someone stopping infront of him and someone else being a nob as he went at the speed limit in the faster moving lane!

Whats idiotic about that? perhaps he shoud have stayed at home!

roosterman71 · 21-12-2009 11:25am

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

So you were pi**ed off when someone blocked your path but then went on to block other peoples path while speeding....

You sir are a champion of idiocy...

True

I judged it unsafe to pull into a line moving close to 120kph when I was moving faster than it and going to be overtaking it in less than 5 seconds. The guy behind me pulled into the gap, cutting off 1 car on the inside and then doing the same to me. The lady in Liffey Valley just stopped in a queue driving at 10kph

cormie · 21-12-2009 11:27am

Well it's an overtaking lane and if there was a big enough gap for him to be undertaken, then he should have been in that gap. More danger is caused by aggravating a driver in a hurry than is caused by letting them continue at the speed they so desire.

E39MSport · 21-12-2009 11:30am

folan wrote: »

Theres a bit of a difference between someone stopping infront of him and someone else being a nob as he went at the speed limit in the faster moving lane!

Whats idiotic about that? perhaps he shoud have stayed at home!

Proclaiming how nice he is on here for "allowing" someone to change into 'his' lane then contradicting himself by forcing traffic to undercut him. If there was enough room for the other car to undercut then there was enough room for himself to briefly pull in and allow faster traffic by.

E39MSport · 21-12-2009 11:31am

roosterman71 wrote: »

True

I judged it unsafe to pull into a line moving close to 120kph when I was moving faster than it and going to be overtaking it in less than 5 seconds. The guy behind me pulled into the gap, cutting off 1 car on the inside and then doing the same to me. The lady in Liffey Valley just stopped in a queue driving at 10kph

Did your man's Passat have an afterburner on the back?

Wossack · 21-12-2009 11:33am

gerout of me way next time!

folan · 21-12-2009 11:34am

cormie wrote: »

Well it's an overtaking lane and if there was a big enough gap for him to be undertaken, then he should have been in that gap. More danger is caused by aggravating a driver in a hurry than is caused by letting them continue at the speed they so desire.

Except he was still passing cars! the point seemed to be that he was undertaken dangerously, not: look at me, i can drive in the outside lane!

The passat was undertaking dangerously, causeing OP to brake suddenly as he was continuing to overtake!

norrie rugger · 21-12-2009 11:41am

E39MSport wrote: »

Proclaiming how nice he is on here for "allowing" someone to change into 'his' lane then contradicting himself by forcing traffic to undercut him. If there was enough room for the other car to undercut then there was enough room for himself to briefly pull in and allow faster traffic by.

If the car pulled in and caused the car (in slow lane) to break, then there was not enough room to pull in

antodeco · 21-12-2009 11:41am

If the Passat was able to undertake, it means that the driving lane was free and the OP was driving in the overtaking lane. Simple rules of the road stuff.

If there was nowhere for the OP to go, yes, I would be saying feck off to the Passat driver, but its clear that it wasnt. If the OP was going 120KPH, and the gap was so small as to not warrant driving in it, the Passat would have needed to accelerate from 120KPH to possibly 160KPH in 2 car lengths. Thats supercar territory there!

norrie rugger wrote: »

If the car pulled in and caused the car (in slow lane) to break, then there was not enough room to pull in

I really need to find this mythical slow lane

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 11:43am

I agree with folan.

I think the OP has every right to be annoyed at the dangerous driving. He can also get annoyed with so many people here who have thanked the posts which support the crazy driving from the Passat.

He was overtaking a bunch of cars and thought it best not to pull into a gap in the left lane and slow down, just so that another car can go faster than him.

Despite the many threads on good lane use, many people who have thanked the posts on this thread still see the overtaking lane as the "fast" lane.

stealthyspeeder · 21-12-2009 11:45am

If the guy who under took the OP had been in something with a bit more poke, he could have undertaken the OP without causing him to brake. That would leave the OP being one of theose retarded drivers his thread is complaining about.. (im on my high horse, policing the motorway, going at the speed limit so im not pulling in the left lane!)

Owen · 21-12-2009 11:45am

BlackWizard wrote: »

Despite the many threads on good lane use, many people who have thanked the posts on this thread still see the overtaking lane as the "fast" lane.

And lots of people like the OP see the overtaking lane as a driving lane.

folan · 21-12-2009 11:48am

PaintDoctor wrote: »

And lots of people like the OP see the overtaking lane as a driving lane.

Despite the fact he was overtaking?

KamiKazi · 21-12-2009 11:49am

folan wrote: »

Despite the fact he was overtaking?

Probably overtaking at about 5km/h than the cars in the driving lane :rolleyes:

cormie · 21-12-2009 11:50am

I'm definitely not supporting the passat if it was too dangerous a move to be completed safely, especially in this weather. Just saying that if there is a gap you can pull into, maintaining your overtaking speed without the need to brake, you should do so rather than staying in the overtaking lane, especially if you can see somebody flying up behind you.

Owen · 21-12-2009 11:52am

folan wrote: »

Despite the fact he was overtaking?

Despite the fact. Go to the UK, or Germany and sit in the overtaking lane when a faster car is coming up behind you, see what happens then.

folan · 21-12-2009 11:52am

cormie wrote: »

I'm definitely not supporting the passat if it was too dangerous a move to be completed safely, especially in this weather. Just saying that if there is a gap you can pull into, maintaining your overtaking speed without the need to brake, you should do so rather than staying in the overtaking lane, especially if you can see somebody flying up behind you.

Agreed. The way I see it here though, is that if this existed, why would the passat have to pull out again close enough to the OP to cause him to have to break? surely if there was room, the OP would have been able to go on fine adn the passat could have pulled out again at its leisure

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 11:54am

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

If the guy who under took the OP had been in something with a bit more poke, he could have undertaken the OP without causing him to brake. That would leave the OP being one of theose retarded drivers his thread is complaining about.. (im on my high horse, policing the motorway, going at the speed limit so im not pulling in the left lane!)

It's a bloody over-taking lane. Not a "fast" lane. There is a learner forum on this site. They will help you with the rules of the road.

Even if the OP was going 80KPH is would not make a difference. The lane is for over taking. It does not matter what speed everyone is doing, once the lane is being used for overtaking.

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 11:58am

KamiKazi wrote: »

Probably overtaking at about 5km/h than the cars in the driving lane :rolleyes:

He is still over taking. It's not a "fast" lane. Its for overtaking.

But I agree it's frustrating sitting in your car while someone on front is only doing 5kph more than the other lane while overtaking. But you have to be patient and let the person complete the manoeuvre.

Y2J_MUFC · 21-12-2009 11:59am

E39MSport wrote: »

forcing traffic one car to undercut him.

Didn't realise the Passat driver had a gun to his head. That changes everything then.

The OP was overtaking, in the overtaking lane, and had to break as someone undercut him?

Why do people always try to defend the indefensible? Especially in this weather, the Passat was out of order. Also, why would you just randomly stop in a lane of traffic? I've seen at least 10 cases of this in the last 2 days, where people blocked up one lane causing a large tail back. Its invariable some tool who just abandoned his car and thinks you can park anywhere once you have your flashers on.

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 11:59am

cormie wrote: »

I'm definitely not supporting the passat if it was too dangerous a move to be completed safely, especially in this weather. Just saying that if there is a gap you can pull into, maintaining your overtaking speed without the need to brake, you should do so rather than staying in the overtaking lane, especially if you can see somebody flying up behind you.

If the text in bold is true, then he should not of been in the overtaking lane. That's an issue we always talk about on these forums. But in the OPs case it was not. The OP was in the process of progressively overtaking other cars.

Owen · 21-12-2009 12:01pm

BlackWizard wrote: »

But I agree it's frustrating sitting in your car while someone on front is only doing 5kph more than the other lane while overtaking. But you have to be patient and let the person complete the manoeuvre.

That for some reason only works here. If you were in Germany and were overtaking cars on the Autobahn at even 20kph more than the next lane, and someone came up behind you fast, you'd be expected to gtfo temporarily, and when the faster car/cars have gone past, go back to your slower overtaking process. If you didn't, you'd have someone a car length behind you, indicating to get past you, and flashing headlights.

stealthyspeeder · 21-12-2009 12:04pm

BlackWizard wrote: »

It's a bloody over-taking lane. Not a "fast" lane. There is a learner forum on this site. They will help you with the rules of the road.

Even if the OP was going 80KPH is would not make a difference. The lane is for over taking. It does not matter what speed everyone is doing, once the lane is being used for overtaking.

Once you have overtaken a car you pull in to the driving lane if there is room, as a Passat was able to move into this lane and get in front of the OP, it would seem clear that there was room to move into the driving lane.

Just because there is a car in the driving lane way up ahead desnt mean you should sit in the overtaking lane because you are going at the speed limit and you will eventually overtake them! I sugest you go to the learners forum and research overtaking.

craichoe · 21-12-2009 12:08pm

PaintDoctor wrote: »

That for some reason only works here. If you were in Germany and were overtaking cars on the Autobahn at even 20kph more than the next lane, and someone came up behind you fast, you'd be expected to gtfo temporarily, and when the faster car/cars have gone past, go back to your slower overtaking process. If you didn't, you'd have someone a car length behind you, indicating to get past you, and flashing headlights.

That bits wrong,

If some dick (usually in an S-Class/M5/Porsche Cayenne) is booting up the overtaking lane at 240km/h, you pull into the fast lane when you've finished overtaking and its safe to pull in.

Happened to me one morning, could see car about a kilometer away flashing lights while i was overtaking a truck, I pulled in, he sped up and then a Micra pops out from in between the two trucks. Queue weaving and smoking tyres... i'd say he shat himself.

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 12:09pm

Read the thread again stealthyspeeder. It was not a case of hogging the overtaking lane in any way.

He was overtaking other cars.

Owen · 21-12-2009 12:12pm

craichoe wrote: »

That bits wrong,

Not in my experience - this year alone everything I've seen on the Motorways of the UK, Poland, Sardinia, Italy and Germany all suggest I'm not telling porkies.

Course the really scary thing is I'm off to Poland again on Wednesday, and even though it's -15 there with plenty of snow and ice, there'll still be lemmings booting it in the overtaking lane.

metzengerstein · 21-12-2009 12:14pm

i was over there yesterday ,it was completly mad,lots of tools on the road (someone should pick those up ha ha ha ha )

and the car parks also, i saw a spot went around to it this guy came down the wrong way and as the car backed out of the space the guy drove in front of her with no room to even turn into the space and blocking the car from being able to get out , wtf like , so he had to reverse and i got my spot yay ,

Owen · 21-12-2009 12:15pm

BlackWizard wrote: »

Read the thread again stealthyspeeder. It was not a case of hogging the overtaking lane in any way.

It's not so much this that I disagree with, it's the way he told the experience. 'Im see the Passat coming up behind me, I'm going to make him wait, I'm going fast enough'.

What if (And I know this is a very very tired old argument) the Passat driver was a doctor on the way to an emergency?

cormie · 21-12-2009 12:16pm

BlackWizard wrote: »

But in the OPs case it was not. The OP was in the process of progressively overtaking other cars.

We don't know that for certain though. The Passat could have cut in front of the OP out of aggression when there was plenty of room to increase the gap and pull back into the overtaking lane without the need for the OP to brake. There's too many variables to call it really and we're not aware of half of them.

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 12:17pm

I think what you are talking about Paintdoctor is just road manners. I'm often overtaking and a car comes up behind me and I'm thinking to myself "I know I know I know.. I'll pull in soon".

The OP I'm sure would of pulled into the left lane to let him go by if he was able to do so easily and then easily continue to overtake once again without taking too much of a risk or any heavy braking or dangerous lane merging.

norrie rugger · 21-12-2009 12:17pm

antodeco wrote: »

I really need to find this mythical slow lane

hmm, you never read road signs then?
"Slow lane ends in 200m" is a favourite of mine.

You know exactly what I mean, in referrence to the inside lane, and if it is good enough to be used on government road signs, then it should be good enough for you.

norrie rugger · 21-12-2009 12:18pm

PaintDoctor wrote: »

What if (And I know this is a very very tired old argument) the Passat driver was a doctor on the way to an emergency?

"What if" is not a defense

corktina · 21-12-2009 12:18pm

i ve got nothing to add...just want to join the arguement before it gets locked (sooner the better with threads like this which never change anyones attitude) Whoops I said something after all

oh and another thing...happy chritsmas and safe motoring....:rolleyes:

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 12:19pm

cormie wrote: »

We don't know that for certain though. The Passat could have cut in front of the OP out of aggression when there was plenty of room to increase the gap and pull back into the overtaking lane without the need for the OP to brake. There's too many variables to call it really and we're not aware of half of them.

Yup! We can only deal with what we know and the OPs word. I'm just taking the OPs word for now until he says otherwise. He said he was overtaking cars and there was a small gap in the left lane which the Passat used to undertake him causing him to slow down and brake in order to let the Passat enter the overtaking lane.

I just find it aggressive and dangerous driving from the Passat.

stealthyspeeder · 21-12-2009 12:21pm

BlackWizard wrote: »

Read the thread again stealthyspeeder. It was not a case of hogging the overtaking lane in any way.

He was overtaking other cars.

I think if you read it again, you find there is space for him to pull into the driving lane, let the car past and start another overtaking manouvere. This is what he should have done. Overtaking is not a continous manouvere, it has a start and a finish, it should end at the first available oppertunity to pull back into the driving lane, not continue indefinately because in a while which you judge appropriate, you will overtake other cars in the driving lane by travelling at your current speed.

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 12:21pm

corktina wrote: »

i ve got nothing to add...just want to join the arguement before it gets locked (sooner the better with threads like this which never change anyones attitude) Whoops I said something after all

oh and another thing...happy chritsmas and safe motoring....:rolleyes:

It's actually a great thread.

The only out of norm posts is the OP calling some driver retarded

norrie rugger · 21-12-2009 12:22pm

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Despite the fact. Go to the UK, or Germany and sit in the overtaking lane when a faster car is coming up behind you, see what happens then.

Merge dangerously with the lane that you are overtaking, getting too close to the car in front and causing the car behind to brake suddenly?

BlackWizard · 21-12-2009 12:23pm

norrie rugger wrote: »

"What if" is not a defense

But what if.. he was a paint doctor?

Owen · 21-12-2009 12:26pm

ROFL BlackWizard

norrie rugger · 21-12-2009 12:28pm

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

I think if you read it again, you find there is space for him to pull into the driving lane, let the car past and start another overtaking manouvere. This is what he should have done. Overtaking is not a continous manouvere, it has a start and a finish, it should end at the first available oppertunity to pull back into the driving lane, not continue indefinately because in a while which you judge appropriate, you will overtake other cars in the driving lane by travelling at your current speed.

If the passat "cut up" the car in lane 1, then there was not enough space for the manouvere

pagalinus · 21-12-2009 12:33pm

don't worry man... the retard in the passat has probably killed himself on the icey roads by now... so happy days !:)

craichoe · 21-12-2009 12:36pm

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Not in my experience - this year alone everything I've seen on the Motorways of the UK, Poland, Sardinia, Italy and Germany all suggest I'm not telling porkies.

Course the really scary thing is I'm off to Poland again on Wednesday, and even though it's -15 there with plenty of snow and ice, there'll still be lemmings booting it in the overtaking lane.

Its in the German Drivers theory test, your supposed to keep right when possible (Unless the Motorway has restrictions during certain hours, i.e. Trucks not allowed to overtake)

You do not let a driver in overtaking lane force you unsafely rejoin the lane on the right.

This is why the recommended speed-limit is 130km/h in Germany.

If the guy in the Overtaking lane hits you and it is shown he/she was traveling over 130 km/h they are automatically in the wrong.

Although at that point it doesn't really matter

cormie · 21-12-2009 12:37pm

BlackWizard wrote: »

Yup! We can only deal with what we know and the OPs word. I'm just taking the OPs word for now until he says otherwise. He said he was overtaking cars and there was a small gap in the left lane which the Passat used to undertake him causing him to slow down and brake in order to let the Passat enter the overtaking lane.

I just find it aggressive and dangerous driving from the Passat.

Yeah, sounds like a dangerous move by the passat alright but the "no way Ted" attitude can be the cause of increased danger. Awareness and consideration are key, and I'll say it again, especially in this weather, we've all got to be extra careful.

KamiKazi · 21-12-2009 12:39pm

BlackWizard wrote: »

He is still over taking. It's not a "fast" lane. Its for overtaking.

But I agree it's frustrating sitting in your car while someone on front is only doing 5kph more than the other lane while overtaking. But you have to be patient and let the person complete the manoeuvre.

Where did I say it was a fast lane?

There is safe and unsafe overtaking, if you can't put the boot down and get by the vehicle you're overtaking promptly you're better off staying in the driving lane and going back to doing your hair / makeup / eating your cereal or whatever.

stealthyspeeder · 21-12-2009 12:40pm

norrie rugger wrote: »

If the passat "cut up" the car in lane 1, then there was not enough space for the manouvere

"No way Ted" I thought but he wasn't gonna wait so he cut into the left lane where there was a gap, floored it and then drove out in front of me again causing me to brake.

At 120km/h, the passat would have to wait until it could move into the driving lane, (which would indicate that at minimum the OP would have to be a car to a car and a halfs length in front of the car that it just overtook) in order for the Passat to get into the driving lane, the passat woul then have to accelerate from 120 to a speed at which it could get in front of the the OP (in order to be in a situation where "cutting him up" would be possible). Now correct me if im wrong, but I dont think that Passats 120 - ~140 kmph time is blistering quick.

This would mean there was a car and a half length in front of the car the OP overtook + the distance it took for a Passat at full throttle from 120 kmph to get in front of the OP. If the OP had not taken the "No way Ted" high horse, I'll police the roads option, he could have pulled in safely in this distance and let "Ted" pass, then get back to driving correctly and overtaking the next car.

norrie rugger · 21-12-2009 12:49pm

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

At 120km/h, the passat would have to wait until it could move into the driving lane, (which would indicate that at minimum the OP would have to be a car to a car and a halfs length in front of the car that it just overtook) in order for the Passat to get into the driving lane, the passat woul then have to accelerate from 120 to a speed at which it could get in front of the the OP (in order to be in a situation where "cutting him up" would be possible). Now correct me if im wrong, but I dont think that Passats 120 - ~140 kmph time is blistering quick.

This would mean there was a car and a half length in front of the car the OP overtook + the distance it took for a Passat at full throttle from 120 kmph to get in front of the OP. If the OP had not taken the "No way Ted" high horse, I'll police the roads option, he could have pulled in safely in this distance and let "Ted" pass, then get back to driving correctly and overtaking the next car.

roosterman71 wrote: »

True

I judged it unsafe to pull into a line moving close to 120kph when I was moving faster than it and going to be overtaking it in less than 5 seconds. The guy behind me pulled into the gap, cutting off 1 car on the inside and then doing the same to me.

There may have been enough room to pull in but we are going on the word of the OP, on this situation and it seems that there was not enough room to safely perform this manouvere.

If you are meant to leave "2 seconds" of drive time between both the car in front and, also, behind; what is the distance of this @ 120kmh? (including the length of the OP's car)

Edit
Terrible at math but it seems to be approximately 135 Metres: so if there was not this amount of room, he should not have pulled in

roosterman71 · 21-12-2009 12:49pm

I'll just clear up a few things.

Firstly, it was around 5 yesterday evening so there wasn't much ice, and the gritters were out at that time doing their jobs.

I was driving along at the aforementioned speed in the "driving lane". Ahead was a queue of traffic so I moved into the overtaking lane. At this point, there was lights behind, but I couldn't make out what lane they were in due to their distance back. It certainly didn't look like anyone was coming along at excessive speed.
I passed 4/5 cars and at this stage the passat was up my exhaust flashing. After the 6th car (which I was passing while he flashed), there was a gap which I deemed unsuitable to pull into as I was moving faster than the next car (I'd have to pull in and brake to avoid being stuck to their boot). I decided the best course of action was to pass the remaining 2 cars and then pull into the free inside lane.
The passat though pulled in and seemed to cut off the car I'd just overtaken (they decelerated so I assume they hit the brakes). He then pulled along side me and continued on and then pulled back out into my path causing me to also brake. Another 10 seconds and I'd have cleared all the cars and pulled in.

I'm not one for policing the roads, but I am entitled to overtake as much as the next guy. And as I was doing it more than rapidly then I can't see why I'm being accused of road policing and the like. Alot of driving is about decision making, and I stick 100% to my decision not to pull into a lane of slower moving traffic, hit the brakes just to let someone go past when a few seconds later the road would be available when my manouver was done.

Retarded driving I seen yesterday

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