Turbo gone on 06 BMW 320 D

breffni1

Hi, I have 2006 BMW 320d. Im was driving down the road the other day when this loud whistle started and a sudden loss of power. There was no bang and there does not seem to be any smoke. I brought it to the local mechanic who orginally thought it was the filter but now says its the turbo. Its been brought to the main dealer today for a proper diagnostic check. There is only 57000 miles on it and one month over service.
Surely, this problem isnt normal?
Its only 1 month outside warranty and I wonder if BMW will cover some or any of it?

What are your thoughts?

Thank you.

Neilw

Plenty of turbo's going on bmw diesels, nothing new there.

Just out of curiosity, did you do anything help the turbo last? Only drive hard when oil is up to temp and allowing the car to idle for a couple of mins after a drive?

IMO the service intervals are too high on these cars, oil should be changed every 6k miles.

Stevie Dakota

You are very well placed for a goodwill gesture from BMW, assuming you have a full BMWSH, let us know how you get on.

E39MSport

Where are you based?

I have found Conlan's in Rathangan to be extremely helpful.

breffni1

Cavan/Monaghan/Meath border. Its been brought to the main dealer in Kells.

Gumbo

if you have full BMW service history up until the time of the turbo going you should be very placed for a good will gesture from BMW although be prepared to still pay around 600e for the labour.

imo this will boil down to BMW irelands opinion of why the service was one month late tbh and indeed what exact service was due.

breffni1

Im not 100% sure on the service history. It was a UK import that I purchased one year ago and it had a full service history. The garage I got it off in Ireland said they serviced it (not a registered bmw dealer and book not stamped) but the key/computer says it was due a service in Oct/Nov 09 which means they must have serviced it Oct 08...I think its just a microfilter thats due now.... again Im going on the print out from the key... is it anyway reliable?

Anan1

Is this an E90? I hadn't heard of turbos going on the 163bhp engine up to now?

breffni1

Yes.

Gumbo

Anan1 wrote: »

Is this an E90? I hadn't heard of turbos going on the 163bhp engine up to now?

this the second E90 ive heard of blowing, and both of them had missed services!

is it possible that the garage didnt service it?
a micro filter would not effect the turbo in anyway. what does your on board computer say? if you click the stalk down to service info and select it, you can then go into the distances to the next services.

the E90 is cbs (condition based service) so the harder you drive the quicker the service is required.

NewApproach

Anan1 wrote: »

Is this an E90? I hadn't heard of turbos going on the 163bhp engine up to now?

Would they have had long enough to go yet? Earliest ones are only what, 4 years old or so?

rohatch

NewApproach wrote: »

Would they have had long enough to go yet? Earliest ones are only what, 4 years old or so?

Does this mean the E90's are gonna start popping turbo's now as often as the e46.

beachlife

Hi there guy's,
I've seen this. and it is all down to the oil separator on these cars. BMW change the element in the separator every second service. Nobody else(except BMW specialist garages)does it from my experience anyway.

Gumbo

beachlife wrote: »

Hi there guy's,
I've seen this. and it is all down to the oil separator on these cars. BMW change the element in the separator every second service. Nobody else(except BMW specialist garages)does it from my experience anyway.

this is similar to the breather filter that nobody knew should of been replaced on the E46's except for BMW specialists iirc.

All E90 owners, please be aware of this, myself included (318d M-Sport), especially if you are using independent or local garages/mechanics.

breffni1

The service info said Oct 2009 but when I was in the bmw garage back in Aug(for something else) I got a print out and the only thing that was due was the micro-filter in Oct 09, everything else was 2010. Im still waiting to get the car to the dealer due to the bad snow, may not be done before the weekend .. bummer. Is it possible that someone could have manipulated the service info easily?

rohatch

kceire wrote: »

this is similar to the breather filter that nobody knew should of been replaced on the E46's except for BMW specialists iirc.

All E90 owners, please be aware of this, myself included (318d M-Sport), especially if you are using independent or local garages/mechanics.

More information please.

Where do you get his breather filter, do you have any pics on the location?

Healyc

No.15 here!

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=VC32&mospid=48480&btnr=11_3668&hg=11&fg=15

BMW never admitted to the infamous turbo issue as every time they could relate every turbo failure to inproper service history i.e oil seperator wasn't change at the correct intervals.

The newer 4cyl diesel engines doesn't have the oil seperator (N47 with DPF), afaik this applies to 07+ 318/20d's.

See here

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=VG92&mospid=50492&btnr=11_4083&hg=11&fg=15

beachlife

rohatch wrote: »

More information please.

Where do you get his breather filter, do you have any pics on the location?

you get it from BMW. genuine part only.Cost around 100 euros. Can take time to fit.

Gumbo

beachlife wrote: »

you get it from BMW. genuine part only.Cost around 100 euros. Can take time to fit.

is it even that price?
i thought it was similar in price to an oil filter?

Bearcat

I'm going to get slated by the die hard bm derv drivers here but for me the main stream bm diesels are nothing but muck. Yeap great poke, fuel economy etc but longevity....forget it. A 06 blowing a turbo, is not on provided it's seen servicing. I had a 530d, nothing but trouble, EGR's, MAF's, breather filters, inlet manifold caked in crap , never again it was a nightmare. A then there is the dreaded swirl flaps that bm go hush hush on.....

For me they build a damn good petrol units but derv the jury is out on.

breffni1

breffni1 wrote: »

Im not 100% sure on the service history. It was a UK import that I purchased one year ago and it had a full service history. The garage I got it off in Ireland said they serviced it (not a registered bmw dealer and book not stamped)

I doubt that BMW Ireland will look after you given the car's history unfortunately. They may well do though but I doubt it.

JohnCleary

beachlife wrote: »

you get it from BMW. genuine part only.Cost around 100 euros. Can take time to fit.

Costs about 40euro. Beware that there's a newer 'vortex' style filter, don't accept the older 'loo roll' style filters that some dealerships may try to flog off (old stock) - same part number

Fitting takes about 10 min

rugbyman

i think that it is unlikely that BMW will stand over this as you do not have BMW dealers service history.( not talking about the month overdue here)

if it is any helpas to what you do next, my friend blew his on on 530 d. Advice was dont touch a second hand one, your own can be re built for around 800 sterling, not sure if this is in the North or from England. one re conditioner in the Uk had a price, depending on whether your s was not too far gone for re conditioning.


For my info banks , how long does a turbo last if all servicing is done by the book. ? i am astounded at how many expensive problems occur on modern cars.

regards ,Rugbyman

CJhaughey

rugbyman wrote: »

For my info banks , how long does a turbo last if all servicing is done by the book. ? i am astounded at how many expensive problems occur on modern cars.

regards ,Rugbyman

I can only speak for my 97 Toyota LC with 245k miles and counting on the original turbo. 6k ml Oil+filter changes.

maidhc

rugbyman wrote: »

For my info banks , how long does a turbo last if all servicing is done by the book. ? i am astounded at how many expensive problems occur on modern cars.

They should last the lifetime of the engine once they get rudimentary care and some sympathy on startup and shutdown.

We have a mondeo TD with 240k miles and no issues. We have had the car from new, and it has always been serviced (although it probably went well over a few times). None of this crazy 3k intervals though, it was serviced every 7-10k.

JohnCleary

rugbyman wrote: »

your own can be re built for around 800 sterling, not sure if this is in the North or from England. one re conditioner in the Uk had a price

You can buy a NEW one for that price.

I had my one (320d) re-built with a 12month warranty by Turbo Technics in the UK (Google is your friend) for £340 including return post. Was very happy with their service, they rang me and went into detail about what exactly needed to be done and didn't go ahead with the work until they got the all clear from me.

rugbyman

JohnCleary wrote: »

You can buy a NEW one for that price.

I had my one (320d) re-built with a 12month warranty by Turbo Technics in the UK (Google is your friend) for £340 including return post. Was very happy with their service, they rang me and went into detail about what exactly needed to be done and didn't go ahead with the work until they got the all clear from me.

My info was second hand, yours is first hand and also first class. good news for the OP
Rugbyman

coolbeans

Bearcat wrote: »

I'm going to get slated by the die hard bm derv drivers here but for me the main stream bm diesels are nothing but muck. Yeap great poke, fuel economy etc but longevity....forget it. A 06 blowing a turbo, is not on provided it's seen servicing. I had a 530d, nothing but trouble, EGR's, MAF's, breather filters, inlet manifold caked in crap , never again it was a nightmare. A then there is the dreaded swirl flaps that bm go hush hush on.....

For me they build a damn good petrol units but derv the jury is out on.

Have to agree there. They're simply too mechanically stressed. BMW are trying to get too much power out of them with the result that reliability is sacrificed. There's an '02 320d outside the door that's had a new turbo and new injectors at huge cost. It had only done 125,000 miles.
Friend of mine also bought an '04 320Cd and has had turbo and ECU problems. Another friend bought a 520d new and has had had turbo problems. It's not on. They just can't take the miles at all. There will be a lot of shagged and costly Beemers on the second hand car market in years to come. Great cars...until they break. And so what if you miss or are late with a service. They should be more resilient than that surely. And no, I'm not saying late servicing or not servicing at all is acceptable but BMW using the excuse that you were late or missed one service is just a cop out.

Gumbo

rugbyman wrote: »

For my info banks , how long does a turbo last if all servicing is done by the book. ? i am astounded at how many expensive problems occur on modern cars.

regards ,Rugbyman

i had a 2005 E90 320d with 121k miles on it and still pulling strong even after a remap to 190bhp and 272 Ft ibs.

it had FBMWSH and serviced on time every time as it was a lease/company car.

Neilw

coolbeans wrote: »

Have to agree there. They're simply too mechanically stressed. BMW are trying to get too much power out of them with the result that reliability is sacrificed. There's an '02 320d outside the door that's had a new turbo and new injectors at huge cost. It had only done 125,000 miles.
Friend of mine also bought an '04 320Cd and has had turbo and ECU problems. Another friend bought a 520d new and has had had turbo problems. It's not on. They just can't take the miles at all. There will be a lot of shagged and costly Beemers on the second hand car market in years to come. Great cars...until they break. And so what if you miss or are late with a service. They should be more resilient than that surely.

I don't think it's the fact that they are to highly stressed I'd say it's partly down to the high service intervals, 10k kms is about right for a turbocharged car. What do bmw recommend, 20k?
Another factor and I think this is the main problem, people don't know how to look after a turbocharged car. For the most part they get in and drive the ring out of them from cold and then kill the engine with a red hot turbo. Sure fire way to reduce the life of the turbo.

coolbeans

Neilw wrote: »

I don't think it's the fact that they are to highly stressed I'd say it's partly down to the high service intervals, 10k kms is about right for a turbocharged car. What do bmw recommend, 20k?
Another factor and I think this is the main problem, people don't know how to look after a turbocharged car. For the most part they get in and drive the ring out of them from cold and then kill the engine with a red hot turbo. Sure fire way to reduce the life of the turbo.

Perhaps, but I know plenty of TD French, Jap and even Italian cars and 4x4s that were treated badly but still managed to achieve interstellar mileage without major failures. I know the Beemers are cutting edge technology wise but Peugeot-Citroen for example know a thing or two about diesels and I don't think they have the problems or the conscientious owners that BMWs would have.