Irish solicitors and barristers take on the big boys.

digme

I'm just wondering if a lot of these got together;
could they send the scum to prison for ruining the country?
Did they actually commit a crime ?
I'm talking about the bankers,builders and government ministers going to jail.

Seth Brundle

What crime did they commit and have you the proof for them to take on the big boys?

Victor

But what about the overlap between the two groups?

Seth Brundle

that would be Satan himself surely?


edit: what about a priest who part timed as a barrister who also does a few property development jobs when not babysitting?

ei.sdraob

digme wrote: »

I'm just wondering if a lot of these got together;
could they send the scum to prison for ruining the country?
Did they actually commit a crime ?
I'm talking about the bankers,builders and government ministers going to jail.

no

see multiple tribunals we had that amount to nothing

digme

Could a massive group of Irish citizens take them to court?

starbelgrade

digme wrote: »

Could a massive group of Irish citizens take them to court?

I'm not educated on legalities, but from watching Boston Legal, I guess that they could be sued, providing that there were sufficient grounds & that a legal team would take the case. As for committing crimes - I don't think that would be a runner.

But as I base my knowledge on a U.S. TV series, others may well beg to offer more informed opionions.

gnxx

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm not educated on legalities, but from watching Boston Legal, I guess that they could be sued, providing that there were sufficient grounds & that a legal team would take the case. As for committing crimes - I don't think that would be a runner.

But as I base my knowledge on a U.S. TV series, others may well beg to offer more informed opionions.

I've watched ER and Scrubs for the last few years -- maybe I could be minister for health in your universe :-)

starbelgrade

gnxx wrote: »

I've watched ER and Scrubs for the last few years -- maybe I could be minister for health in your universe :-)

You could be minister for health in real-life Ireland & probably do a better job than our current one!

amacachi

Victor wrote: »

But what about the overlap between the two groups?

Just what I was wondering, since when are solicitors and barristers not "the big boys"?

jetsonx

OP, you've got it all wrong...the legal professional and builders / bankers / politicans all have a symbiotic relationship with each other. The Irish legal profession are already profiting enormously from the fall-out ( property deals went wrong etc) of the Tiger years. Think of the Irish Legal profession as maggots...they thrive on dead flesh, especially the flesh of dead tigers.

PeakOutput

jetsonx wrote: »

OP, you've got it all wrong...the legal professional and builders / bankers / politicans all have a symbiotic relationship with each other. The Irish legal profession are already profiting enormously from the fall-out ( property deals went wrong etc) of the Tiger years. Think of the Irish Legal profession as maggots...they thrive on dead flesh, especially the flesh of dead tigers.

go on then back up what you just said


one profession that is getting demolished as much as the developers are the property legal specialists

this thread has gone from reasonable(lets try and bring people to justice for what they have done) to nonsesical (anyone above a certain pay grade and with a certain education is a criminal) in 11 posts good job people thats gonna help our country

deadhead13

Which category would Micheal Lynn belong to.

D.R cowboy

Get one thing straight does "big boys" live in south Dublin Bankers CEOs etc, they own the justice system and this country and their children are next in line to take over so the cycle will continue its the rich taking advantage of the poor people, there is no law that can put them away they knew what they were doing just filling in the holes the common man missed while he was to busy counting money he never had

PeakOutput

D.R cowboy wrote: »

Location: Blackrock

were is blackrock again?

*quick google*

OH MAI GODS ITS ONE OF THEM GRAB THE ROCKS

D.R cowboy

were is blackrock? o you mean where is blackrock?, dam those public schools again they taught you to use google maps instead of a real map like this has nothing to do with me being from blackrock right, but i am just saying " the rock will not be moved, we are blackrock and we will never move" so get that throw your heads.

PeakOutput

D.R cowboy wrote: »

were is blackrock? o you mean where is blackrock?, dam those public schools again they taught you to use google maps instead of a real map like this has nothing to do with me being from blackrock right, but i am just saying " the rock will not be moved, we are blackrock and we will move" so get that throw your heads.

did you really just try and correct my grammar / spelling? really?

i love ironing

your right it has absolutely nothing to do with were you are from just like what has happened to our country has nothing to do with the vast vast majority of the southside or the northside or malahide or howth or ballymun or anywhere

and yes that vast majority includes hundreds and hundreds of solicitors and people in the legal profession who the people of this thread say are 'big boys' because of their qualification and therefore should go to jail

edit; actually i dont even understand past the first line of what i just quoted

edit2; nvm after a quick look threw your previous posts you are clearly a troll enjoy your night

D.R cowboy

Dude I am just saying "Power to the south and peasant's to the north" Hitler 1939
if you look back throw history the upper class always rise and this is no different we will never be brought down by a small few intangible people ever!!

Dickerty

We are not a state of lords and princes, our upper class are largely there because they put themselves. The richest people in Ireland (Desmond, O'Brien, Quinn) are self made.

It is not about a particular class rising, it is about people creating their situations. Yes, there is some croneyism (sp?) and nepotism, but barristers and solicitors have to pass the same bar exam, whether from a rich or a poor background.

Sleepy

Now that's a bit of a stretch.

Given that Kings Inns charges extortionate fees, has a fee on your application which is non-refundable but can then refuse an application without having to give a reason, forbids you from working in any position which might "bring the Inns into disrepute" (which includes student staples such as bar work, waiting etc.) whilst you're studying there, the standard of those sitting the exam is predominantly that of someone who's had the luxury of a year to do nothing but study for it while attending an expensive course in a private college, that if you happen to get in and pass the exams you'll spend your first year afterwards 'deviling' i.e. being an unwaged PA to a senior barrister and will only ever get paid work thorugh contacts.

And as for the solicitor route? Well unless you're being sponsored by the big five, how exactly is someone who doesn't have connections supposed to find another solicitor prepared to give them an apprenticeship?

The "industry" is rotten to the core and seems to be designed to keep the plebs out and ensure that the next generation will get to keep their fathers' careers.

bangersandmash

PeakOutput wrote: »

this thread has gone from reasonable(lets try and bring people to justice for what they have done) to nonsesical (anyone above a certain pay grade and with a certain education is a criminal) in 11 posts good job people thats gonna help our country

What, it was sensible to begin with? The OP seems to be confusing the legal profession with some kind of X-Men-like cabal. Besides if Magneto and the rest of the developers are all behind bars, where is all the conveyancing work going to come from?

D.R cowboy

Sleepy wrote: »

Now that's a bit of a stretch.

Given that Kings Inns charges extortionate fees, has a fee on your application which is non-refundable but can then refuse an application without having to give a reason, forbids you from working in any position which might "bring the Inns into disrepute" (which includes student staples such as bar work, waiting etc.) whilst you're studying there, the standard of those sitting the exam is predominantly that of someone who's had the luxury of a year to do nothing but study for it while attending an expensive course in a private college, that if you happen to get in and pass the exams you'll spend your first year afterwards 'deviling' i.e. being an unwaged PA to a senior barrister and will only ever get paid work through contacts.

And as for the solicitor route? Well unless you're being sponsored by the big five, how exactly is someone who doesn't have connections supposed to find another solicitor prepared to give them an apprenticeship?

The "industry" is rotten to the core and seems to be designed to keep the plebs out and ensure that the next generation will get to keep their fathers' careers.

Great post!!
And may I add that even if a peasant was to somehow pass i don't see them getting a job with the big boys " keep it in the family so to speak"
My friend's father offered us each an apprenticeship with him before we went to college with a huge firm not many 18 year olds can say that during these times

Thirdfox

D.R cowboy wrote: »

Great post!!
And may I add that even if a peasant was to somehow pass i don't see them getting a job with the big boys " keep it in the family so to speak"
My friend's father offered us each an apprenticeship with him before we went to college with a huge firm not many 18 year olds can say that during these times

Really? As someone with no connections to the legal industry and an immigrant I have been offered a job in the top two solicitors' firms in Ireland (:pac: "Dey Tuk Aw Jewbs!" )

It is certainly possible to make it to the top and come from a non-legal background. In fact one might suppose that in recessionary times it is more likely that firms would look for people who are the most qualified and desirable instead of nepotism and cronyism.

Keep in mind of course, that "nepotism" normally only extends to ensuring one gets an interview. If you can't perform they will select the better candidate.

But that's neither here nor there in relation to the OP's question - to answer briefly; yes these property developers etc. can be taken to court, but only on the basis of crimes committed. There may be instances of fraud, bribery, negligence etc. but one would need to have evidence of such to be able to secure any conviction.

And as for lawyers banding up on their own initiative to prosecute a group of people for the "public good". In Ireland it appears that firms tend to not engage in pro bono work (compared to say, the US). So all in all, it's unlikely that 1) lawyers would prosecute (out of the goodness of their hearts) and 2) there would be enough evidence to secure convictions for alleged crimes.

legal eagle 1

My friend's father offered us each an apprenticeship with him before we went to college with a huge firm not many 18 year olds can say that during these times

Are you serious?? This is what really sickens me about the legal world, the fact that there's things like this happening. No wonder the profession is often condemned for being a closed shop and corrupt!
I've seen first hand how a lack of connections within the legal world is a hindrance and i've seen potential job opportunities been given away to other people because 'of who they are'.
I also think the big firms are involved in this as well and fair enough it doesn't all come down to who your daddy is but, they want to see that you have travelled the world, had 10 different languages.......well in this day unless your parents are extremely well off, this is a major struggle to us ordinary folk who have to work to get through college.
No wonder our country is the way it is, people should get jobs on their own merits and qualifications and skills not because there from the right family!

(Sorry I know i went off on a little rant but, for someone to blatantly write down what i already know is happening well it rattles me :mad:)

johnnyskeleton

Sleepy wrote: »

Now that's a bit of a stretch.

Given that Kings Inns charges extortionate fees, has a fee on your application which is non-refundable but can then refuse an application without having to give a reason, forbids you from working in any position which might "bring the Inns into disrepute" (which includes student staples such as bar work, waiting etc.) whilst you're studying there, the standard of those sitting the exam is predominantly that of someone who's had the luxury of a year to do nothing but study for it while attending an expensive course in a private college, that if you happen to get in and pass the exams you'll spend your first year afterwards 'deviling' i.e. being an unwaged PA to a senior barrister and will only ever get paid work thorugh contacts.

And as for the solicitor route? Well unless you're being sponsored by the big five, how exactly is someone who doesn't have connections supposed to find another solicitor prepared to give them an apprenticeship?

The "industry" is rotten to the core and seems to be designed to keep the plebs out and ensure that the next generation will get to keep their fathers' careers.

Haven't you seen the movie where the [insert minority] breaks through the glass ceiling of the [insert profession] dominated by the [insert perceived elite]?

simplistic

I read that as " Small Irish parasites see opportunity to use fancy words to rob large Irish parasites"