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Willie O'Dea is a Dangerous Man

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    #32
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    Do you know what O'Dea said about him? Article didn't say.

    As far as I'm aware he suggested Mossy and his brother Nessan were brothel-keepers.


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    #33
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Nessan Quinlivan?


    Now where did I hear that name before;)


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    #34
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Nessan is an ex-IRA POW who escaped from Brixton Prison in London. What has that got to do with Willie O'Dea saying Mossy Quinlavan is a brothel-keeper?


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    #35
    not bakunin
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭not bakunin


    Willie and the make-believe brothel?

    I don't know if a senior politician such as Willie O'Dea should be allowed to get off seemingly so lightly with perverting the course of justice and character defamation like this. I hope this isn't the last we hear of it...


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    #36
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Nessan is an ex-IRA POW who escaped from Brixton Prison in London. What has that got to do with Willie O'Dea saying Mossy Quinlavan is a brothel-keeper?


    Impressive CV.!:eek:

    Honourable man I'm sure , Honourable man:rolleyes:


    Nothing to do with Willie:cool:


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    #37
    old boy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭old boy


    should it not be a requisit of an office holder to be at least truthful, or at least be economical with the truth, BUT not to be found to be telling porkies


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    #38
    Pride Fighter
    Registered Users Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    Fianna Fail and lying go hand in hand. This does not surprise me.


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    #39
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,110 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    old boy wrote: »
    should it not be a requisit of an office holder to be at least truthful, or at least be economical with the truth, BUT not to be found to be telling porkies

    Yes, but not in Ireland


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    #40
    José Alaninho
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Honourable man I'm sure , Honourable man:rolleyes:

    Indeed he is. Your point?


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    #41
    José Alaninho
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    FTA69 wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware he suggested Mossy and his brother Nessan were brothel-keepers.

    Also accused Maurice of spending Northern Bank raid money :rolleyes: on his local election campaign.


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    #42
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    heh heh.....not a grain of truth in that surely:rolleyes:


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    #43
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    José Alaninho wrote: »
    Indeed he is. Your point?


    Statement horse... statement!

    WTF:confused:


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    #44
    José Alaninho
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Statement horse... statement!

    WTF:confused:

    Of course it was...


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    #45
    watchingthepols
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭watchingthepols


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    I put it to you that the case is closed and sorted.

    The Irish Daily does not seem to agree with you.

    This is their editorial concerning Willie O'Dea giving false evidence to the High Court. The scans of the articles are below the text.


    Irish Daily Mail....

    It is remarkable enough for a cabinet minister to be forced to make a humiliating High Court apology and personal financial settlement. It is even more remarkable that this be given to a prominent Sinn Fein activist and long-term political enemy of the minister's

    But what is most remarkable about yesterday's settlement of the defamation proceedings brought against Willie 'Dea by Cllr Maurice Quinlivan is not that the Defence Minister has finally admitted to being guilty of a particularly nasty smear campaign. No, it is the nature of Mr O'Dea's second apology.

    The minister yesterday apologised, not just for his original comments about Cllr Quinlivan, but also for denying, in an earlier affidavit, that he had ever made such comments. In other words, he admitted that that affidavit - sworn under oath and subsequently used in court proceedings - was untrue.

    Mr O'Dea is not only a long serving TD and member of the cabinet. He is also a trained barrister and former junior minister in the Department of Justice; as such, he will be all to aware how serious a crime perjury is. Yet it was only after a tape-recording of his original remarks was produced that Mr O'Dea withdrew that affidavit.

    At the time, the minister said that that when he had denied making the defamatory remarks in his affidavit he had been mistaken. That may well be the case. But a man whose memory is so unreliable that he is capable of swearing a false affidavit in a High Court case is hardly the ideal candidate for high office.

    The only possible alternative - that Mr O'Dea deliberately lied under oath - is too outrageous to contemplate . But there are only two possible explanations: either he is either hopelessly unreliable of that he is utterly untrustworthy.

    Either way, he is patently unfit to server in cabinet. There is only one honourable course of action open to him - and that is to resign immediately.

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    #46
    Hillel
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    watchingthepols wrote: »
    The Irish Daily does not seem to agree with you.
    I'm not sure that I'd use that particular rag as backing for any position.
    watchingthepols wrote: »
    There is only one honourable course of action open to him - and that is to resign immediately.
    Here I do agree with you. However, I won't be holding my breath.


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    #47
    imme
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    Hillel wrote: »
    I'm not sure that I'd use that particular rag as backing for any position.

    Here I do agree with you. However, I won't be holding my breath.
    true and true


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    #48
    Erin Go Brath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    O'Dea is now a proven perjurer. He has shown contempt for the institutions of the state, not the only FFer to do so either. Why should we believe anything he says from now forward or trust him to do any dealings on behalf of the country. The office he holds is tainted and he must go.


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    #49
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    O'Dea is now a proven perjurer. He has shown contempt for the institutions of the state, not the only FFer to do so either. Why should we believe anything he says from now forward or trust him to do any dealings on behalf of the country. The office he holds is tainted and he must go.


    So Mairtín should go as well based on those assumptions??


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    #50
    walshb
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    He'll ride this storm out just like the rest; once they have the backing of the gang, they are untouchable. If ever there was a resigning case, this is it.


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    #51
    Erin Go Brath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    So Mairtín should go as well based on those assumptions??

    If any Government minister perjures themselves in court their position should no longer be tenable. This applies to all! Otherwise the whole system is a farce.


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    #52
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    So Mairtín down in North Kerry should get a boat out like the one he got in??;)


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    #53
    Shea O'Meara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Shea O'Meara


    If we voted in greater numbers and took ministers to task, Willie O'Dea's idiocy would be dangerous to Fianna Fail. As it stands, he's just an idiot.


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    #54
    the_syco
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    What was he alleged to have said, and in what context?


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    #55
    José Alaninho
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    the_syco wrote: »
    What was he alleged to have said, and in what context?

    I cant find the damned article for the life of me (have it somewhere around here) but essentially he 'complimented' Quinlivan's local election campaign, said something along the lines of 'that Northern Bank money went far', and asked Maurice 'if the brothel was still open' [a reference to Quinlivan's brother Nessan, who was alleged to have rented an apartment to a Brazilian madame of sorts].

    The interview is unbelievable in its tone and, let's say directness, don't know how he hasn't been disciplined by his party over it!

    Edit: direct quote from the interview in the Limerick Chronicle, March 10th 2009 - "I suppose I'm going a bit too far when I say this, but I'd like to ask Mr Quinlivan is the brothel still closed?"


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    #56
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Indeed, Nessan Quinlivan so called pillar of society...hmmm those allegations would certainly be damaging to a person of his alleged good reputation:rolleyes:


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    #57
    the_syco
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    José Alaninho wrote: »
    Edit: direct quote from the interview in the Limerick Chronicle, March 10th 2009 - "I suppose I'm going a bit too far when I say this, but I'd like to ask Mr Quinlivan is the brothel still closed?"
    Ah. Found the brothel: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/brazilian-women-ran-brothel-from-top-provos-apartment-1601979.html?start=2


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    #58
    José Alaninho
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Indeed, Nessan Quinlivan so called pillar of society...hmmm those allegations would certainly be damaging to a person of his alleged good reputation:rolleyes:

    Are snide comments all you're capable of? Are you Willie O'Dea?


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    #59
    oncevotedff
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    imme wrote: »
    I put it to you all that Willie O'Dea is a dangerous man and is not fit to be a government minister.

    The same is true of all members of Fianna Fail.


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    #60
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,110 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Indeed, Nessan Quinlivan so called pillar of society...hmmm those allegations would certainly be damaging to a person of his alleged good reputation:rolleyes:

    Hi,

    Do you think that a Minister who perjures himself is something we as a nation should
    tolerate?


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    #61
    Raiser
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    I am utterly amazed that this has generated no indignant outcry whatsoever - The Irish Electorate are docile, vapid and have no notion of the difference between right and wrong.

    - At the very least Cowen should tell him to fcuk off on overseas duty indefinitely - but then again why would he even have to tidy up a non-scandal seeing as it is that the People simply haven't the wit to care?


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