Health Care Bill Passed

bobbyjoe

Anonymous1987 wrote: »

I guess you don't need bipartisan support and Obama could just disipline his party to push legislation through but that would mean to ignore legitimate criticism like the cost of healthcare and end up with a poor piece of legislation that while achieveing its primary goal brings with it other problems. I'm not really satisifed with the legisaltion but I guess it is progress.

Didn't say there should be no input or criticism but just don't dilute the thing until its no use to anyone. The final bill seems rubbish because they took all the good parts out to placate the Republicans. A public option for example.

Overheal

Its still, a Socialist solution. And while that in itself isnt a reason to knock it, I've seen how it snowballs in places Like Ireland, where the Government first does something like pass Healthcare "To protect the citizens"

And then it just keeps getting degressively worse from there, with outrageous smoking and drinking tarrifs and everything else. At Some Point, you need to back down, and allow your citizen to make their own choices. That includes larding it up on cinema popcorn and stroking out in the Emergency Room. This Healthcare Bill is going to be just another Bailout for people who have made foolhardy decisions with their life. But instead of buying houses they cant afford, its about the lifestyles they cant maintain and eventually end up in the gutter about.

kev9100

Overheal wrote: »

Its still, a Socialist solution. And while that in itself isnt a reason to knock it, I've seen how it snowballs in places Like Ireland, where the Government first does something like pass Healthcare "To protect the citizens"

But how in the world is it a "Socialist" solution? The final bill will almost certainly lack a public option and it will give even more business to the private insurance companies. Trust me, thats not socialism.

bobbyjoe

Overheal wrote: »

Its still, a Socialist solution. And while that in itself isnt a reason to knock it, I've seen how it snowballs in places Like Ireland, where the Government first does something like pass Healthcare "To protect the citizens"

Just out of interest what is the right wing health care solution?

Overheal

youd have to ask the Right Wing.

bobbyjoe

Overheal wrote: »

youd have to ask the Right Wing.

True lol.

Anonymous1987

Overheal wrote: »

Its still, a Socialist solution. And while that in itself isnt a reason to knock it, I've seen how it snowballs in places Like Ireland, where the Government first does something like pass Healthcare "To protect the citizens"

I regard it socialist in that it puts society before the individual but I think the actual definition of socialism is government control of the means of production and allocation of resources which would be covered by a public option but technically not mandatory insurance. The real issue is the relatively small sacrifice of personal freedom for equal oppertunities in society.

Overheal wrote: »

And then it just keeps getting degressively worse from there, with outrageous smoking and drinking tarrifs and everything else. At Some Point, you need to back down, and allow your citizen to make their own choices. That includes larding it up on cinema popcorn and stroking out in the Emergency Room. This Healthcare Bill is going to be just another Bailout for people who have made foolhardy decisions with their life. But instead of buying houses they cant afford, its about the lifestyles they cant maintain and eventually end up in the gutter about.

I see where you are coming from, the nanny state taxing could emerge and would offer very convienient moral revenue streams for government but that shouldn't stop us providing equal access to healthcare. Sure its a bail-out for poor lifestlye decisions however it is also a level playing field to allow people to rise from poverty and achieve their own sucess who are genuinely disadvantaged by poor health out of no fault of their own. The two cannot be seperated and so it creates both oppertunities and bail-outs.

Trouser_Press

Overheal wrote: »

For the record though I find Manic Moran to be one of the better posters here.

Good for you Overheal, I just have higher standards than "they have no place forcing me to give them control of my health". Maybe you think Hannity wannabes are erudite, I don't :rolleyes:

Overheal

Trouser_Press wrote: »

Good for you Overheal, I just have higher standards than "they have no place forcing me to give them control of my health". Maybe you think Hannity wannabes are erudite, I don't :rolleyes:

Trouser_Press wrote: »

Utterly mortifying stuff. Beck thinks repeatedly using the word "paradigm" makes him sound intellectual.

The Ironing is Delicious.

But perhaps instead of leaving your opinion up in the air, rolling your eyes and fopping around like a dandy, you might sit, and explain, precisely what you find so offensive, or amusing, about the following comment,

"they have no place forcing me to give them control of my health".