Can you really say you're ok with gays?

Saltour Sossiez

Transitional wrote: »

Any time there's a gay marriage thread the majority of people are for full gay rights in Ireland.

That's because anyone who takes the opposite gets their post deleted. :rolleyes:

staker

AARRRGH wrote: »

???

Gheys....

half arsed attempt at humour:o

like the fella below me:pac::pac:

bronte

Saltour Sossiez wrote: »

I'm not ok with gays, never will be.

They're ill and need serious help.

If ya can't cure 'em, gas 'em.

Why do you believe they're ill?

koHd

Transitional wrote: »

Thank you for your honest input. I have a question for you: would you be just as uncomfortable if you saw a hetero couple kissing like that? Less comfortable? Not uncomfortable at all?

Actually I have gotten uncomfortable with hetero making out in front of me. Especially with close friends and their girlfriends. I suppose it's more of a way you view somebody. I'm not used to seeing them do that. But I probably was a little more weirded out a time I saw a guy friend kissing another guy passionately. Partly because I still don't believe he's gay. Just confused. But that's another issue.

I have absolutely no problem with any gay person. They are exactly the same as everyone else just prefering to peruse a diffent type of pron.

Like any other group of people in society there are a tiny few who can give them a bad name. Walking down shop-street in Galway recently with some friends we bumped into an old class mate of my friend who was walking down thje street with his friends and approaching random people, many with out with their kids and asking "You want to fuck me, don't you." I was disgusted as was one of my friends who also happens to be gay. What was worse was that I later discovered that the individual did this sort of thing all the time.

AARRRGH

Deleted User wrote: »

They are exactly the same as everyone else just prefering to peruse a diffent type of pron.

That's actually not true, just like black people are not the exact same as white people.

Yes I'm being politically incorrect but I'm also being real.

Gay people are not the exact same as hetero people.

That doesn't make them wrong though. It's ok to be different...

I'm not just talking about their choice of holes btw. They have different personalities due to their different lifestyle and different life experience.

Karl Hungus

OutlawPete wrote: »

Maybe a few years back, but now there is m.boards and so people can post from the cheapest mobile running Opera Mini.

I think you'd need Bruce Willis and his team of deep core drillers from Armageddon to dig yourself any deeper Pete.

Seriously though, I don't mean nerd in a derogatory way, it's a good thing to be a bit nerdy as far as I'm concerned, but considering the plethora of forums dedicated to just about every geeky subject under the sun, you have to admit boards has a very 'geek chic' userbase. My point is, posing this question to boards, is not posing it to Irish society in general. Boards just doesn't represent that.

I'll give you an example, on the Films board, pretty much all the regular posters had seen Moon. When I actually saw it in the cinema, very few people were there, yet I saw ****loads of people coming out of seeing films like The Proposal. People on boards just aren't the average Irish person in my opinion.

AARRRGH

You're dead right Karl.

I'm living in Citywest at the moment (next to Tallaght) and I bet you 99% of people there have never even heard of boards.ie, yet I bet you everyone in Tallaght IT's computer science course knows about it...

Naikon

Am I okay with gays? Of course. I apply the same logic to gay people as I do with
people who have no control over other attributes like their height.

@Karl Hungus/AARRRGH - I suspect most boardsies are sysadmins/programmers
keyboarding at home. I don't see the facebook crowd being represented well here.

AARRRGH

AARRRGH wrote: »

That's actually not true, just like black people are not the exact same as white people.

Yes I'm being politically incorrect but I'm also being real.

Gay people are not the exact same as hetero people.

That doesn't make them wrong though. It's ok to be different...

I'm not just talking about their choice of holes btw. They have different personalities due to their different lifestyle and different life experience.

I agree their sexual orientation does single them out from the majority of people, it's exactly this which makes the work a far more enjoyable place to live. Could you imagine if everyone was the same? I shudder at the very thought,

AARRRGH

Naikon wrote: »

Am I okay with gays? Of course. I apply the same
logic to gay people as I do with people who have
no control over other attributes like height.

I agree with you, but I do think some people choose to be gay. I can think of a few people I know (brutally sexually abused) who are terrified of men so have chosen to be lesbians. I know for a fact (don't ask) they were born heterosexual, or at least, bisexual.

Naikon

AARRRGH wrote: »

I agree with you, but I do think some people choose to be gay. I can think of a few people I know (brutally sexually abused) who are terrified of men so have chosen to be lesbians. I know for a fact (don't ask) they were born heterosexual, or at least, bisexual.

Didn't think of it like that, but yeah, it most likely does
have an effect in a minority of cases. Sad, but true.

Has much research been done on orientation with respect
to upbringing? Interesting point none the less.

AARRRGH

Naikon wrote: »

Didn't think of it like that, but yeah, it most likely does
have an effect in a minority of cases. Sad, but true.

Has much research been done on orientation with respect
to upbringing? Interesting point none the less.

Yeah, it's sad. They tend to be very unhappy people. In my own anecdotal experience anyway!

I have no idea about any research into this area. It's a "politically incorrect" research area I would imagine...

Buceph

AARRRGH wrote: »

I'm not just talking about their choice of holes btw. They have different personalities due to their different lifestyle and different life experience.

Lifestyle for the most point is dictated by experience, or that's how I'd interpret what you're saying. So I'm going to consider those two points which you spelled out rhetorically, as the one point.

And to think their's a defining or normalising gay community belittles the people who are gay. Just because they've felt rejected by mainstream society, for whatever reasons, doesn't mean that the people they flee to are who they have to be like, identify with, imitate, appease or act up to.

AARRRGH

Buceph wrote: »

And to think their's a defining or normalising gay community belittles the people who are gay. Just because they've felt rejected by mainstream society, for whatever reasons, doesn't mean that the people they flee to are who they have to be like, identify with, imitate, appease or act up to.

Well first of all I think everyone is generalising here, so let's not apply anything to every gay person.

Also, in my own experience, my gay friends have NOT been rejected by society, but refuse to believe this, for whatever reasons.

Buceph

AARRRGH wrote: »

Well first of all I think everyone is generalising here, so let's not apply anything to every gay person.

Also, in my own experience, my gay friends have NOT been rejected by society, but refuse to believe this, for whatever reasons.

I think this is similar to your statement that the world is filled with scum in the other thread. You feel intimidated (for want of a better word) by a minority of people. So do gay people, and that makes it tough for them. But like the Gareth Thomas incident, if his friends can support him, and the vast majority who are right minded people can support him, then it'll show people in the future that there are no worries (or at least enough support not to be bothered about them.)

I do think that gay people identifying gayness with a scene is a problem for a lot of gay people. Much the same way a lot of Irish people find the rest of us identifying a good time with drinking as a problem.

AARRRGH

Buceph wrote: »

I think this is similar to your statement that the world is filled with scum in the other thread. You feel intimidated (for want of a better word) by a minority of people. So do gay people, and that makes it tough for them. But like the Gareth Thomas incident, if his friends can support him, and the vast majority who are right minded people can support him, then it'll show people in the future that there are no worries (or at least enough support not to be bothered about them.)

I do think that gay people identifying gayness with a scene is a problem for a lot of gay people. Much the same way a lot of Irish people find the rest of us identifying a good time with drinking as a problem.

You are so wrong. I do not feel intimidated by gay people. I do not understand how you have come to that conclusion.

I think you just want to argue for the sake of it.

More than likely been said all ready but gay people are some of the bravest people in society, who else would have the balls to be seen in public in assless chaps.

Hank_Jones

Personally I have no problems with gay people and see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry. Realistically it is not going to affect me in any way.

From my own experience though I think that there is a stigma about gay people among younger men, that it isn't macho to be ok with gay people, that they are quite homophobic.

Could be that they just nervous about the whole subject.

Could be that they are just idiots though.

koHd

AARRRGH wrote: »

You are so wrong. I do not feel intimidated by gay people. I do not understand how you have come to that conclusion.

I think you just want to argue for the sake of it.

Did he not mean you are intimidated by scumbags? I think the guinness has got to ya! heh

Buceph

AARRRGH wrote: »

You are so wrong. I do not feel intimidated by gay people. I do not understand how you have come to that conclusion.

I think you just want to argue for the sake of it.

That was a reference to the other thread, where you said you're surrounded by scum. Not a reference to gay people. Maybe I could have stated that better.

And I hope you don't think I'm looking for an argument in light of that. I don't think all is bad, I know gay people feel horrendous things about coming out and finding love, but I think a lot of their friends will care for them either way. Maybe I just haven't had to live with it, but I don't think people, if you run in the right circles, are *****.


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koHd wrote: »

Did he not mean you are intimidated by scumbags? I think the guinness has got to ya! heh

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. But I'm crossing over threads, so it'd be easy to get confused.

AARRRGH

koHd wrote: »

Did he not mean you are intimidated by scumbags? I think the guinness has got to ya! heh

Haha maybe, but in general, I don't feel intimidated by anyone. For whatever reasons, people don't mess with me. Shaved head, strong, cocky... probably plays a part.

Hank_Jones

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Personally I have no problems with gay people and see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry. Realistically it is not going to affect me in any way.

From my own experience though I think that there is a stigma about gay people among younger men, that it isn't macho to be ok with gay people, that they are quite homophobic.

Could be that they just nervous about the whole subject.

Could be that they are just idiots though.

I think a lot of the negativity directed at gay people, gay men especially by young people is down to them not being comfortable with their own sexuality. I think that acceptance of other sexual orientations only comes once you have accepted and embraced your sexuality.

I have on a number of occasions told friends that while straight and happy as hell with my gf that the thought of being with another man does not disgust me. While it's not my preference were I offered a suitable financial incentive I would certainly think it over. A lot of people whom I have told this have reacted with disgust and called me a number of derogatory names. I discovered that one lad who was particularly nasty towards me after the comment has recently came out of the closet, I assume that much of his hostility on the subject was due to him not being able to accept that he was in fact gay. Since becoming open about the subject he has turned into one of the nicest people you could meet.

Gay people are as all ready mentioned the black people of our generation and while there is still some pockets of resistance the general public has embraced the gay community and it's only a matter of time before they are rightly allocated the same rights that you and I avail of.

Naikon

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before they are rightly allocated the same rights that you and I avail of.

But they do have the same rights as everyone else

Unless you count marriage which is a load of nonesense.
People can live together regardless of what the church says.
Might have effects with future school enrollments though...

Hank_Jones

Deleted User wrote: »

Gay people are as all ready mentioned the black people of our generation and while there is still some pockets of resistance the general public has embraced the gay community and it's only a matter of time before they are rightly allocated the same rights that you and I avail of.

I agree on the comment regarding black people of our generation, I often think about this injustice regarding gay people and how people are so ''PC'' these days yet they are still currently treated as somewhat second class citizens by certain parts of society, governments included.

I wish I could agree about the rights but I just don't think that it is coming any time soon, certainly not in this country anyway. I think (David Norris, not sure if anyone knows more,please tell) there is only one openly gay politician in this country and I just feel that politicians are stuck somewhat in the past regarding this subject and that the links that the politicians have with the church is hurting this no end.

Mardy Bum

Have a watch of this documentry. It basically explains the whole reason why parts of society see a problem with gay people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q50nQUGiI3s Never mind the french bit just Butler speaking.

Naikon

Naikon wrote: »

But they do have the same rights as everyone else

Unless you count marriage which is a load of nonesense.
People can live together regardless of what the church says.
Might have effects with future school enrollments though...

They don't have the same rights, the right to marriage is very important to people and to be told that your union is not recognised by the government really does hammer home just how as a group society looks upon your group. While you and I may not rate marriage why then should it be okay for a government to deny the basic right to a percentage of it's occupants?

Naikon

Deleted User wrote: »

They don't have the same rights, the right to marriage is very important to people and to be told that your union is not recognised by the government really does hammer home just how as a group society looks upon your group. While you and I may not rate marriage why then should it be okay for a government to deny the basic right to a percentage of it's occupants?

Point taken. It's the unions that are at fault though.
No goverment service is really dependant on orientation
though. I do see where you are coming from.

Just out of curiosity, is a gay civil marriage ok?

grenache

D-Generate wrote: »

To be honest, I think that Pride marches are one of the final barriers to equality for homosexuals in todays society. I think that anyone who marches down the street in garish colours and feels that public displays of affection are the way to gain acceptance needs their heads checked.
Want to be accepted? Then stop being outlandish one day a year! It just gives an awful stereotype to the whole gay community just because a subset are camp. Since they are the loud ones then society hears them most!

Never a truer word said. Great post!

For what its worth, i dont have any gay friends but i did work with a gay guy for a year and i never had any problem with him, nor did i ever feel uncomfortable around him, why would i?! He was a total breath of fresh air and some of the lines he came out with were classic.

Bodhisopha

I knew a guy, an acquaintance shall we say, or friend of a friend, we mixed in similar social circles before he started hitting the gay bars.

Well anyways, he disappeared for a while and came out, word got around so by the time i finally met him again he knew i knew he was gay. As it would happen i was a little edgy for reasons that are none of his bloody business to be quite frank the first time i met him since his outing so i blew him off pretty quick.

Since then he's been really awkward with me and it has been said to me by a third party that he thinks i have a problem with him being a fruit, which is absolutely not the case. So i guess the question is - can i really say gays are ok with me?