Can you really say you're ok with gays?

anplaya

Transitional wrote: »

I find this a tad offensive. People are always going on about how "of course I'm ok with gays, as long as they don't shove it in my face". I have to have heterosexuality shoved in my face every day, in every aspect of the media. Why should we have to be discreet? Sad how there's a double-standard like that.

why do you find that offensive?in fairness ya dont see straight people having 'straight' pride marches etc.your gay,im straight,fair enough,get over it ,tis no big deal.thats the way i see it.

Jim

I have friends who are gay and occasionally go to gay clubs. Have no problem with gay men or women kissing etc as long as it doesn't go to far, but that also goes for hetro couples.

I have overly camp men extremely annoying, but it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation (I have been taken up on this incorrectly in the past). Hetro men who are overly camp annoy me greatly as well as do women who have similar personalities. I don't like loud flamboyant people.

Mimikyu

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Biggins

m@cc@ wrote: »

I seen two Indian guys walking down the street hugging each other and I had to do a double take but apparently that's just a sign of friendship there.

...As in Greece and a number of other countries - for the record.

philologos

Transitional wrote: »

Would you hang around with a gay?

Yes.

Transitional wrote: »

What would u do if your best friend told you they were gay?

I don't think it would make that much of a difference. Due to my own beliefs I'd have a moral disagreement, but I have disagreements with many different people.

I generally don't discuss sexuality with my friends. It's really a private matter. Perhaps that is one of the things that could potentially make me uncomfortable with anyone irrespective of sexual orientation is when they bring issues of sexuality into discussion.

Transitional wrote: »

So I was just wondering, how many of ye can honestly say you’re 100% comfortable with gays? Bear in mind that I do not mean this in an offensive or accusatory way. People can’t help what makes them uncomfortable.

What do you mean by uncomfortable? I don't really know what you mean.

Lia_lia

I am 100% comfortable. Never wasn't uncomfortable. A load of my parents friends are gay. Never thought it was wrong. But I never had the Catholic childhood either. Now I have a large amount of gay friends, actually the majority of my close friends are gay oddly enough.

Blush_01

See, I have an issue with someone who is homosexual being called "a gay". You don't hear people calling a straight person "a straight" or a bisexual person "a bi" etc. It just sounds funny to me - not haha, just odd.

People are people are people. I don't see how a stranger's sexual orientation should matter to anyone else. It baffles me when people have issues with homosexuality. What business is it of anyone else's?

krudler

Jim wrote: »

I have friends who are gay and occasionally go to gay clubs. Have no problem with gay men or women kissing etc as long as it doesn't go to far, but that also goes for hetro couples.

I have overly camp men extremely annoying, but it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation (I have been taken up on this incorrectly in the past). Hetro men who are overly camp annoy me greatly as well as do women who have similar personalities. I don't like loud flamboyant people.

That annoys me that if you do find someone who's loud,obnoxious and self centered annoying then it must be because he's gay, not its because he's an annoying cnut, I have a few gay friends, one is the least stereotypical gay guy ever, the other is a walking cartoon character, "fabulous!" but people are always afraid to say he's a knob because you'll be branded a homophobe, his sexual preferences have nothing to do with the fact hes a loudmouth. I know some pople who are completely uncomfortable with gay men, my gay friend and i have often gone to gigs and shows and the like and on nights out he'll happily be himself and chat up men but i dont get uncomfortable with it at all, but you'll always get some smartarse who has to make the "uh, watch your arse now" comment, as if all gay men are sexual deviants looking to bum anything that walks in front of them :rolleyes:

Bodhisopha

Deleted User wrote: »

So by your reckoning some black people (not the black community) are ****.

That has to be one of the oddest perceptions of reality I have ever heard, it's okay to use derogatory comments about some people of a particular race but not the race as a whole.

Wow, did you just compare the word n-i-g-g-e-r with the word fruit? You sir are an idiot. There is a whole history of oppression associated with the word n-i-g-g-e-r while the word fruit is mostly just applied to attention seeking, intentionally in your face, uber camp homosexuals.

How dare you compare both words. It's disgusting how homosexuals (mostly in america) are trying to equate their struggles to that of African Americans.

And seeing as you asked, it's not uncommon for black people to label another black persons behaviour as "niggerish" if the behaviour is infitting with a negative stereotype.

And you don't see why a white comedian can't use the word n-i-g-g-e-r?

Again, you are an idiot. How dare you.

Mark200

One of my best friends a few years ago said he was gay, and it was grand.

Seachmall

Bodhisopha wrote: »

It's disgusting how homosexuals (mostly in america) are trying to equate their struggles to that of the African Americans.

To be honest I think both groups should move the **** on. Oppression is terrible but we, your average straight or white person of today, didn't oppress you, your average gay or black person of today. Some racist homophobic morons did back in the day, we're just trying to move on from then which is hard when minorities of both communities keep looking for reparations (and it is a very small minority).

I have multiple gay and black friends who share this opinion, it seems to be the older people who have a chip on their shoulder still. The new generation just want everyone to shut the **** up and leave them alone.

Mark200

Seachmall wrote: »

To be honest I think both groups should move the **** on. Oppression is terrible but we, your average straight or white person of today, didn't oppress you, your average gay or black person of today. Some racist homophobic morons did back in the day, we're just trying to move on from then which is hard when minorities of both communities keep looking for reparations (and it is a very small minority).

I have multiple gay and black friends who share this opinion, it seems to be the older people who have a chip on their shoulder still. The new generation just want everyone to shut the **** up and leave them alone.

Erm, gays are being oppressed. Gay couples are still being denied the same rights as straight couples.

Bodhisopha

Seachmall wrote: »

To be honest I think both groups should move the **** on. Oppression is terrible but we, your average straight or white person of today, didn't oppress you, your average gay or black person of today. Some racist homophobic morons did back in the day, we're just trying to move on from then which is hard when minorities of both communities keep looking for reparations (and it is a very small minority).

I have multiple gay and black friends who share this opinion, it seems to be the older people who have a chip on their shoulder still. The new generation just want everyone to shut the **** up and leave them alone.

I agree. I should've been more clear. I meant equate their current struggle to that of African Americans years ago, rather than today.

Transitional

Mark200 wrote: »

One of my best friends a few years ago said he was gay, and it was grand.

Just read a lot of new responses now, this has to be one of my favourites, lol, very Irish :P
Aam, on the subject of people not being comfortable with camp and loud gays, I totally understand that, I'm probably a bit like that myself.

Also on the topic of get over it and move on, I'd agree with the poster above who said gay people still don't have equal marriage rights. Remember that doesn't just affect marriage, but it can affect childrens guardians and also going to a hospital room if someone is dying. I'm open to correction here but marriage brings more rights than just "civil partnership" doesn't it? (Personally I'm against marriage anyway but as long as if offers rights to one group and denies another group those same rights, I'm for equal marriage laws).

Interesting aswell how some people did point out how boards isn't fully representative of Irish society. I suppose one of the things which got me wondering on this whole "really ok with gays" thing was that a few months ago, I had an argument with a young lad in his twenties, who's fine with gays, but during the argument in a way to attack me started saying "You're gay", as if it was an insult. Now whether this is common for everyone to try to alienate someone however way they can in an argument or not is normal I don't know...

Anyway thanks everyone for the replies.

Seachmall

Mark200 wrote: »

Erm, gays are being oppressed. Gay couples are still being denied the same rights as straight couples.

That's true, it didn't cross my mind but I was more referring to being cast out from society due to their sexuality which doesn't happen that much any more (at least not in Ireland). There was a time when it was difficult to get a job if you were a out of the closet.

Of course marriage is still a huge issue (although I don't see why it should be, I see no reason against it)

iguana

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I'm open to correction here but marriage brings more rights than just "civil partnership" doesn't it?

It depends on the country. I have no idea about what is being proposed in Ireland but in the UK civil partnership is marriage in everything but name. Civil partners have the same financial, tax, immigration, rights to adopt step-children and next-of-kin rights as married couples. The main difference is that a civil partnership does not need to include a spoken word ceremony. If you wish to have a civil partnership you can have a civil 'wedding' but the moment you legally become partners is when the second person signs the partneship document. If you wanted you could sign the document one day and your partner could go in a different day and sign it. A heterosexual marriage can only be done through a spoken word (or signed if necessary) ceremony where they exchange 'I wills.'

Imo, the most important thing about marriage is that it conveys next-of-kin rights on the people in the couple. If someone isn't married their next-of-kin is their biological family, parents, adult siblings, grandparents, etc. You can be living with your partner for 30 years but if you are incapacitated by illness/injury that person has no legal connection to you and will not be consulted about your care and can in fact be barred from seeing you.

6th

i judge on a person by person basis. Doesnt matter who you choose to grab under the mistletoe.

TheZohanS

Bodhisopha wrote: »

You sir are an idiot.


Again, you are an idiot. How dare you.

Attack the post, not the poster.

Have a break.

walshb

Biggins wrote: »

Yes. One was my best man to me and along with my wife at our wedding.
Why shouldn't I be?
Actually, that question shouldn't even arise.

But, the question does arise, and for a reason. Folks generally are not as comfortable around gay people as being around heterosexual people. I mean strictly in the affectionate sense. If I am in the company of a man and woman being openly affectionate, it doesn't bother me all that much, if at all. Now, if I am in the company of two men being openly affectionate, I don't think I would feel the exact same.

I am not saying that I would be appalled, or nauseous or anything like that, I just don't think the two scenarios would evoke the same feeling for me. I don't think there is anything wrong with this view.

bluto63

walshb wrote: »

But, the question does arise, and for a reason. Folks generally are not as comfortable around gay people as being around heterosexual people. I mean strictly in the affectionate sense. If I am in the company of a man and woman being openly affectionate, it doesn't bother me all that much, if at all. Now, if I am in the company of two men being openly affectionate, I don't think I would feel the exact same.

I am not saying that I would be appalled, or nauseous or anything like that, I just don't think the two scenarios would evoke the same feeling for me. I don't think there is anything wrong with this view.

Personally I don't like being around any couple being over affectionate in front of me. I'm not much more uncomfortable in front of two men instead of a man and a woman.

That_Guy

I'm fine with gay people. I have a lot of gay friends and I don't treat them any differently. We're all human beings who breathe, eat, sleep etc. Just because they prefer to sleep with members of the same sex doesn't make me see them any differently.

Everybody has different tastes when it comes to everything so why should I treat anybody differently?

People don't think it's "normal" but who can honestly define what "normal" is?

walshb

bluto63 wrote: »

Personally I don't like being around any couple being over affectionate in front of me. I'm not much more uncomfortable in front of two men instead of a man and a woman.

Hey, don't get me wrong, when a man and woman lay it on a bit thick, yes, it's fairly
nauseating and uncalled for.

I am simply speaking about say cuddling and the odd kiss here and there etc. Nothing too OTT. I just feel that the two scenarios will not see me react the same. I would be more comfortable and easy going with the man and woman, as opposed to the man and man.

Hey, the woman and woman? Depends on how hot they are.:)

There are three scenarios; but I am quite sure, the one I would rather not see is the man on man.

bluto63

walshb wrote: »

Hey, don't get me wrong, when a man and woman lay it on a bit thick, yes, it's fairly
nauseating and uncalled for.

I am simply speaking about say cuddling and the odd kiss here and there etc. Nothing too OTT. I just feel that the two scenarios will not see me react the same. I would be more comfortable and easy going with the man and woman, as opposed to the man and man.

Hey, the woman and woman? Depends on how hot they are.:)

There are three scenarios; but I am quite sure, the one I would rather not see is the man on man.

That's one thing that I don't get. People saying they're against gay people because it's 'not natural' but still love lesbians because they think it's very sexy :rolleyes:

I'm not attacking you, you never said anything of the sort, it just reminded me of that particular stance several of my friends have

Seachmall

walshb wrote: »

There are three scenarios; but I am quite sure, the one I would rather not see is the man on man.

I'm the same and I think most gay couples understand this. It's not a prejudice thing it's just a machismo thing guys tend to have, something about being that physical with another man when you're not trying to knock him out just seems a tad weird to most of us.

walshb

bluto63 wrote: »

That's one thing that I don't get. People saying they're against gay people because it's 'not natural' but still love lesbians because they think it's very sexy :rolleyes:

I'm not attacking you, you never said anything of the sort, it just reminded me of that particular stance several of my friends have

Glad you brought that point up. Yes, but this is just a natural human thing. The female body is a beautiful beautiful thing, even women find it hard to resist it. Two hot women being affectionate is a hell of a lot more pleasing to me, a straight man, than two men being affectionate. It's a feeling I have no control over.

TheZohanS

Hank_Jones wrote: »

I honestly don't know what to say here, this guy is a clown.

Don't call people clowns unless they're wearing a red nose, wig and huge big red shoes.

walshb

Seachmall wrote: »

I'm the same and I think most gay couples understand this. It's not a prejudice thing it's just a machismo thing guys tend to have, something about being that physical with another man when you're not trying to knock him out just seems a tad weird to most of us.

It's plain and simply an animal thing. We cannot turn it on or off. It''s part of our DNA as men to be more attracted to women than men, and when we see man and woman as opposed to man and man, the brain cannot help itself finding the man and woman a more pleasing sight.

bluto63

walshb wrote: »

Glad you brought that point up. Yes, but this is just a natural human thing. The female body is a beautiful beautiful thing, even women find it hard to resist it. Two hot women being affectionate is a hell of a lot more pleasing to me, a straight man, than two men being affectionate. It's a feeling I have no control over.

I would agree with you, I would rather watch two women rather than two men, but it's the hypocrisy of claiming homosexuality is wrong, unless it's something you can knock one out to

That_Guy

Seachmall wrote: »

I'm the same and I think most gay couples understand this. It's not a prejudice thing it's just a machismo thing guys tend to have, something about being that physical with another man when you're not trying to knock him out just seems a tad weird to most of us.

A lot of peole are like this and it's understandable really. Media plays a big part to play in this really. Homosexuality seems to be hidden away. Like its swept under the rug.

To me homosexuality seems to be shown in a negative and evil light which is just wrong and that's why I think people don't accept it and therefore people seem squeamish when they see two men or two momen being intimate in public.

bustertherat

this thread kinda is relevant to me.Im a member of a brazilian jiu jitsu club. it recently started going around the club that one of the lads was gay. personally i had no problem with it, he's my friend and i couldnt give two f-cks wat he does in his spare time. sadly however some ppl started complaining about it and they took a vote amongst everyone as to who felt comfortable still having him in the club. they was 23 of us there that night and only two of us put our hands up and said we didnt have a problem with him being in the club. so the coach rung him and told him he was no longer welcome to come to class. lousy but i guess thats life.

komodosp

I think you'll find that most people on internet fora are probably OK with it, the OP you say you are "treated differently" by men who find out you are gay. But I would bet that most of these fellahs aren't the internet forum browsing type of people.

To be honest, I think that Pride marches are one of the final barriers to equality for homosexuals in todays society. I think that anyone who marches down the street in garish colours and feels that public displays of affection are the way to gain acceptance needs their heads checked.

I tend to agree. Kind of.
I find nothing wrong with people in garish colours or showing public displays of affection, the problem I have is that if you have a pride march, you are singling yourself out and announcing "Look at me, I'm gay!" Whereas I would prefer it simply be a matter of I'm a normal person who happens to find members of the same sex attractive.

The problem I have with people that are OK with gays, is that they are only OK with gays because it is fashionable to be so. Probably thanks to then "contraversial" things like the first lesbian kiss on brookside and that sort of thing bringing gayness into the mainstream. Many people who congratulate themselves for accepting gays, don't do so because they are open minded or defiant to the gay-hating establishment, they only do so because it has become OK to be OK with gays. Many of these same people are still disgusted by other things on principle that some day may become fashionable to accept. For instance consensual sex between a brother and sister.

I hope I am speaking honestly when I say I was OK with gays before it was fashionable. I do remember being disgusted with my Mother years ago, when, when I revealed I was hanging out at an arcade, she said, "There could be gays or anything there!". I was disgusted at the thought of having sex with or kissing another man, but I thought, I'm (perhaps even more) disgusted at the thought of eating an onion. But I'm not going to say ridiculous rubbish like "those onion eaters can do what they like in the privacy of their own homes, but I don't like them eating onions in public!"

walshb

bustertherat wrote: »

this thread kinda is relevant to me.Im a member of a brazilian jiu jitsu club. it recently started going around the club that one of the lads was gay. personally i had no problem with it, he's my friend and i couldnt give two f-cks wat he does in his spare time. sadly however some ppl started complaining about it and they took a vote amongst everyone as to who felt comfortable still having him in the club. they was 23 of us there that night and only two of us put our hands up and said we didnt have a problem with him being in the club. so the coach rung him and told him he was no longer welcome to come to class. lousy but i guess thats life.

That's tough, BUT, the sport is kinda hand on isn't it? I don't know how I would have voted really, but knowing that a guy that you are rolling around with and getting physical with is gay, will have some impact on how you feel. Now, if you didn't know, it wouldn't affect you, it's all about the knowing

That_Guy

bustertherat wrote: »

this thread kinda is relevant to me.Im a member of a brazilian jiu jitsu club. it recently started going around the club that one of the lads was gay. personally i had no problem with it, he's my friend and i couldnt give two f-cks wat he does in his spare time. sadly however some ppl started complaining about it and they took a vote amongst everyone as to who felt comfortable still having him in the club. they was 23 of us there that night and only two of us put our hands up and said we didnt have a problem with him being in the club. so the coach rung him and told him he was no longer welcome to come to class. lousy but i guess thats life.

Fcuk me that's harsh. They were mostly likely worried that he was gonna try something on them which is a load of BS if you ask me.

Taking a vote is quite low and did the coach even give a reason to your mate as to why he couldn't return to your class anymore?

Seachmall

bluto63 wrote: »

I would agree with you, I would rather watch two women rather than two men, but it's the hypocrisy of claiming homosexuality is wrong, unless it's something you can knock one out to

I've heard that comment brought up many times but I've never heard someone say lesbianism (?) is fine but male homosexuality is wrong. It seems like a strawman argument that's brought up in very gay/straight discussion.

komodosp

bustertherat wrote: »

this thread kinda is relevant to me.Im a member of a brazilian jiu jitsu club. it recently started going around the club that one of the lads was gay. personally i had no problem with it, he's my friend and i couldnt give two f-cks wat he does in his spare time. sadly however some ppl started complaining about it and they took a vote amongst everyone as to who felt comfortable still having him in the club. they was 23 of us there that night and only two of us put our hands up and said we didnt have a problem with him being in the club. so the coach rung him and told him he was no longer welcome to come to class. lousy but i guess thats life.

F*ckin hell I am disgusted by this. This is pretty much nazism. I'm more disgusted by the coach who put it to the vote (and BTW why did he ask who was comfortable, why didn't he ask who wasn't comfortable? It's easier to keep your hand down, especially when you'd be in the minority putting it up) than the people who didn't put up their hands. He had a chance to show leadership, to show that he will not tolerate intolerance.

KeyLimePie

You know if anything this thread singles out gay people even more..........

That_Guy

Seachmall wrote: »

I've heard that comment brought up many times but I've never heard someone say lesbianism (?) is fine but male homosexuality is wrong. It seems like a strawman argument that's brought up in very gay/straight discussion.

Load of my mates say this. I call it the fcuking eejit response. Regardless of gender it's still homosexuality whether you want to believe it or not.

aDeener

Transitional wrote: »

I find this a tad offensive. People are always going on about how "of course I'm ok with gays, as long as they don't shove it in my face". I have to have heterosexuality shoved in my face every day, in every aspect of the media. Why should we have to be discreet? Sad how there's a double-standard like that.

you asked the question and he gave his honest response.

i dont have a problem with homosexuality, its campness i have a severe problem with. really fcuking annoying

bustertherat

That_Guy wrote: »

Fcuk me that's harsh. They were mostly likely worried that he was gonna try something on them which is a load of BS if you ask me.

Taking a vote is quite low and did the coach even give a reason to your mate as to why he couldn't return to your class anymore?

the coach didnt mention anything about him being gay as the reason for not being allowed in the club anymore.my mate said he just rung him and was a fairly short conversation going along the lines of ''its not really working out with u training with us maybe you'd be better off finding urself a new club''

i told him what went on, he was pretty pi-ssed off to say the least, especially cause he considered himself to be fairly friendly with a good few ppl there.

walshb

That_Guy wrote: »

Load of my mates say this. I call it the fcuking eejit response. Regardless of gender it's still homosexuality whether you want to believe it or not.

It is still homosexuality, but the feelings evoked do not necessarily have to be the same; that is what makes us, as animals, so so complex. Nothing is black and white here.

You see a man and a woman having sex, it evokes a feeling, you see a woman and a woman having sex, it evokes a feeling and you see a man and a man having sex, and it evokes a feeling. Now, the three feelings can be different, the same, two the same and one not. It all depends on the person. A gay man may find the man and man the most natural, or arousing, the gay woman may find the two women more arousing, BUT, the straight man or straight woman has an added twist, more so with the straight man, in that the straight man may find the woman and woman as arousing as the woman and man. It's all over the place, but it's part of us being animals.

That_Guy

aDeener wrote: »

you asked the question and he gave his honest response.

i dont have a problem with homosexuality, its campness i have a severe problem with. really fcuking annoying

You don't have to be gay to be camp really though. It's a stereotypical view of gay people that they're like that. Yeah there's some but my gay friends aren't camp at all.

I know straight lads who are "camp".

Seachmall

Regarding the BJJ thing, the coach has to represent the best interests of the clubs and it's members. If members thought that they were being felt up by 'a gay' they might have dropped out of the club or, even worse, gone OTT while training and done some damage. Of course I disagree with him kicking the kid out but at the same time I understand where he's coming from.

That_Guy

walshb wrote: »

It is still homosexuality, but the feelings evoked do not necessarily have to be the same; that is what makes us, as animals, so so complex. Nothing is black and white here.

You see a man and a woman having sex, it evokes a feeling, you see a woman and a woman having sex, it evokes a feeling and you see a man and a man having sex, and it evokes a feeling. Now, the three feelings can be different, the same, two the same and one not. It all depends on the person.

This makes a lot of sense.

philologos

bustertherat wrote: »

the coach didnt mention anything about him being gay as the reason for not being allowed in the club anymore.my mate said he just rung him and was a fairly short conversation going along the lines of ''its not really working out with u training with us maybe you'd be better off finding urself a new club''

i told him what went on, he was pretty pi-ssed off to say the least, especially cause he considered himself to be fairly friendly with a good few ppl there.

This makes the situation worse, not better. Hiding what really went on is deceptive to say the least.

People are just people. That's the main realisation that needs to be made. This is the result of overplaying the significance of sexuality to ones identity I think.

aDeener

That_Guy wrote: »

You don't have to be gay to be camp really though. It's a stereotypical view of gay people that they're like that. Yeah there's some but my gay friends aren't camp at all.

I know straight lads who are "camp".

oh i know, dont get me wrong, campness on the behalf of straight men annoy me equally as mush as gay men's campness

That_Guy

bustertherat wrote: »

the coach didnt mention anything about him being gay as the reason for not being allowed in the club anymore.my mate said he just rung him and was a fairly short conversation going along the lines of ''its not really working out with u training with us maybe you'd be better off finding urself a new club''

i told him what went on, he was pretty pi-ssed off to say the least, especially cause he considered himself to be fairly friendly with a good few ppl there.

That is extremely harsh. Hiding the reason is quite pathetic actually.

Before he was outed as being homosexual, was he good mates with people there?
If he was, it seems extremely harsh that people would suddenly change their opinion of him just because he's gay. Just because he likes other men doesn't mean that he was gonna try it on with anyone.

Pushtrak

Deleted User wrote: »

So by your reckoning some black people (not the black community) are ****.

You ought to check out Chris Rock stand up. **** VS black people.

Blush_01 wrote: »

See, I have an issue with someone who is homosexual being called "a gay". You don't hear people calling a straight person "a straight" or a bisexual person "a bi" etc. It just sounds funny to me - not haha, just odd.

That isn't the case in my experience. In the case of a person being gay or bi, and they are talked about "Oh, my friend ______ is coming over later. He/she is gay/bi." Only time a person is talked about in terms of straight is when asked directly "Is he/she straight/gay/bi?" Otherwise, being straight isn't referred to. Its perceived as the default position because there are always going to be more straight people than the other two.

komodosp wrote: »

I hope I am speaking honestly when I say I was OK with gays before it was fashionable. I do remember being disgusted with my Mother years ago, when, when I revealed I was hanging out at an arcade, she said, "There could be gays or anything there!". I was disgusted at the thought of having sex with or kissing another man, but I thought, I'm (perhaps even more) disgusted at the thought of eating an onion. But I'm not going to say ridiculous rubbish like "those onion eaters can do what they like in the privacy of their own homes, but I don't like them eating onions in public!"

"Have a breathmint, you damn onion eater!"

Seachmall

aDeener wrote: »

oh i know, dont get me wrong, campness on the behalf of straight men annoy me equally as mush as gay men's campness

Straight men being camp actually annoy me more than gay men being camp. I imagine it has to do with the media and how I somehow accept some gay people are camp (despite the fact I don't know any really camp gay people) while straight people being camp just pisses me off.

ddef

honestly, i think it is kind of weird.
prefer 'tacos' to 'bangers and beans' to be honest...