Possible (illegal) Funding From Fingal County Council in Sporting Fingal?

Pineapple stu

[QUOTE=fh041205;63860232 unless you know something the rest of us seem not to.[/QUOTE]

BINGO.:D

Gavin "shels"

cymro wrote: »

You dont live in Fingal so why does it concern you?

Maybe he pays taxes, and if the Council is funding yous then he probably doesn't like that fact a part of his tax is funding yous.

SligoBrewer

cymro wrote: »

Answer 2 There is no over the odds with sponsorship. Just because we get more than the bit of ****e it doent mean its over the odds.

800k in High Level Sponsorship.

Fingal Co Co Website wrote:

A 5 Year Business Plan was developed for the Club by KPMG and this is founded on a minimum cash injection, through direct funding and high level sponsorship of €800,000for each of the next five years. This is completely separate from all other potential revenue generating activities and income opportunities for the Club. None of this funding is contributed by Fingal County Council.

Hmmm. 800k is more than anyone else (Bohs included, Shams excluded I suspect) is getting.

SligoBrewer

Paulw wrote: »

You'd be much better off spending your time and efforts being concerned how your own clubs are going to survive.

We've been around for 80 years and we're highly sustainable. New board in place, and we spend less than we take in. It's a win win for us.

SligoBrewer

cymro wrote: »

You dont live in Fingal so why does it concern you?

It's called a level playing field. If taxpayers money is going into a single club as sponsorship, then it ain't a level playing field.

Lamper.sffc

Gavin shels wrote: »

Maybe he pays taxes, and if the Council is funding yous then he probably doesn't like that fact a part of his tax is funding yous.

:pac:

fh041205

Paulw wrote: »

Or, do you just like ranting and making wild accusations on boards, without any facts or details?

You'd be much better off spending your time and efforts being concerned how your own clubs are going to survive.

I'm going to assume this isn't directed at me. Even so, it does still look suspicious. I also think he would find it inappropriate if I called him up and questioned his interest in SF. I'm not sure he'd be so forthcoming to a complete stranger.

Care to divulge cymru ?(he asked almost certainly in vein).

Lamper.sffc

SligoBrewer wrote: »

It's called a level playing field. If taxpayers money is going into a single club as sponsorship, then it ain't a level playing field.

:pac:

SligoBrewer

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

:pac:

Explain lamper.

Lamper.sffc

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

Just defending the club lad. Nothing more.

And if you are refering to me. Im simple pointing out that the club does some good in the community and i fail to see how that is smug or too defensive. Just posting some positive points about the club or should we stick to the usual LOI crap where we have to tear each other down all the time.

If your not talking about me. I still cant see where anybody was being smug. Defensive, maybe. Wouldnt you do the same if their was the same amount of over exagerations about your club made by the same people over and over again.

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

Come on Gav seriously, lets not head down that route again. You have to be as bored debating this as I am hearing it.

I understand the frustration but dont ya think its time to put it to bed. At least find a new argument.

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

No worries.
Just trying to support our team. I dont mind rivalry but what I do dislike is people exagerating the truth and sometimes making stuff up completely just to paint the club in a bad light.( not you in fairness). The heading of this thread is an example (illegal bit). Over on foot.ie there is a guy saying that we bus in the majority of our fans for free from swords. Which is completely untrue. This is the crap we are dealing with for the last 2 years. If the stuff was true then fair enough. Id be the first to hold my hand up but a lot of it aint even close to being true.

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

Gavin. Give it a rest. We could do this all day.


Time to move on gentlemen. It really is:o

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

Make your point and back it up with some facts

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

It been answered above.
Its all speculation by others and untill some facts are provided then im done. Enjoy boys

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

Id be lying if i said I thought he wasnt getting anything out of it. He is a business man first and foremost. I know this and as a fingal fan I hope there is nothing to it.

But what im not going to do is speculate and condemn the club, council and gannon and who ever else until I hear some solid facts. Ill leave that to others

Since we are just going around in circles, here is my same points you have chosen to ignore. Might as well post these again because all you and gav do is post the same stuff without taking anybody elses points in or backing your own points up, so ill just post the my same points. Its easier for me that way.

flahavaj

Gavin "Shels" backed into a corner here. The knock out is coming. Inevitable it would end badly for him tbh.:pac:

fh041205

Lads look, if you don't want to talk about the council and John Gannons role in this then kindly stop posting. Can we grow up and get back on topic for a while please? (I know this is back seat modding but 11 pages of this tripe is enough)

So far, Gannon's investment is not suspicious in any way but the reason why is a secret.

Hard Worker

SligoBrewer wrote: »

800k in High Level Sponsorship.



Hmmm. 800k is more than anyone else (Bohs included, Shams excluded I suspect) is getting.

No other club in the country gets anywhere near that kind of sponsorship. Pats may have come close, but they were being funded by a Pats fan.
From my own point of view, I don't think that FCC should be in bed with Gannon, and while it may have been OK in the past for Anglo to throw a few bob in, it is sinful now for them to have any financial involvement.

Lamper.sffc

fh041205 wrote: »

Lads look, if you don't want to talk about the council and John Gannons role in this then kindly stop posting. Can we grow up and get back on topic for a while please? (I know this is back seat modding but 11 pages of this tripe is enough)

So far, Gannon's investment is not suspicious in any way but the reason why is a secret.

The points have been debated and people are debating about gannon but some people are not listening and take the thread way of topic in order to get as many digs in as possible. Thats the point.
Nobody in here is afraid to debate the gannon issue if there is something to debate, but if the debate is going nowhere and people are not backing up what the say then whats the point? Honestly
Did I not ask brewer to make his point earlier from which i got no reply. Im quite happy to debate something if it will go somewhere. When we ask valid questions certain people never reply or reply with a new topic.

So, it has nothing to do with not wanting to talk about gannon.

Lamper.sffc

Hard Worker wrote: »

No other club in the country gets anywhere near that kind of sponsorship. Pats may have come close, but they were being funded by a Pats fan.
From my own point of view, I don't think that FCC should be in bed with Gannon, and while it may have been OK in the past for Anglo to throw a few bob in, it is sinful now for them to have any financial involvement.

But are Anglo Irish still putting money into fingal? We dont have them on the shirts anymore and they are not on the Website as sponsors. I presumed we stopped getting money off them when their troubles started. Again I could be mistaken. I dont pretend to know all the facts.

The reason Clare Daly is pushing this, is because she is the opposition and thats what they do. Especially that lady. The fact she even questions the staff volunteering at the club is a joke and shows her motives IMO. With all the club is doing in the community at the moment does she care to bring that up. Of course not. Its her job to appose and question and make accusations. Its what the oppostion do. This is why I will take this article with a pinch of salt. Do we not always say that the media just like to report on the bad side of the LOI. This is what this article is IMO. But are nt we all happy to jump on the bandwagon and tear another club down. Do people not realise that they are helping to justify to other non supporters of the league that we (LOI) are not worth supporting.
No doubt ill be told to get off my soap box by the usual lot which is fine. Everybody to there own.
I just dont get why LOI fans have to tear other clubs down all the time. Maybe im just stupid that way.

Hard Worker

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

But are Anglo Irish still putting money into fingal? We dont have them on the shirts anymore and they are not on the Website as sponsors. I presumed we stopped getting money off them when their troubles started. Again I could be mistaken. I dont pretend to know all the facts.

The reason Clare Dahly is pushing this, is because she is the opposition and thats what they do. Especially that lady. The fact she even questions the staff volunteering at the club is a joke and shows her motives IMO. With all the club is doing in the community at the moment does she care to bring that up. Of course not. Its her job to appose and question and make accusations. Its what the oppostion do as said earlier. This is why I will take this article with a pinch of salt. Do we not always say that the media just like to report on the bad side of the LOI. This is what this article is IMO. But are nt we all happy to jump on the bandwagon and tear another club down. Do people not realise that they are helping to justify to other non supporters of the league that we (LOI) are not worth supporting.
No doubt ill be told to get off my soap box by the usual lot which is fine. Everybody to there own.
I just dont get why LOI fans have to tear other clubs down all the time. Maybe im just stupid that way.

I'm glad to hear that Anglo are no longer putting cash into Sporting Fingal.
Regarding Clare Daly: I've read the minutes of the council meeting. Firstly, she warmly congratulated Sporting Fingal on winning the cup. She did raise a few questions and hopefully, the next meeing will have answers to those. The one I'd be most interested in is any involvement that Council staff have in the club. You answered in a previous post that any council staff involved are volunteers. I said in a previous post that it will be interesting to see the official response from the council on this as I have my doubts about that.

Lamper.sffc

Hard Worker wrote: »

I'm glad to hear that Anglo are no longer putting cash into Sporting Fingal.
Regarding Clare Daly: I've read the minutes of the council meeting. Firstly, she warmly congratulated Sporting Fingal on winning the cup. She did raise a few questions and hopefully, the next meeing will have answers to those. The one I'd be most interested in is any involvement that Council staff have in the club. You answered in a previous post that any council staff involved are volunteers. I said in a previous post that it will be interesting to see the official response from the council on this as I have my doubts about that.

The info i have is only from what has been said in the article. From what iv experienced first hand is that some of those staff collect money at the gate and some do a bit of stewarding, after that I dont know. What seems to keep getting lost though, in a lot of this, is that the community is getting something in return, as I posted 5 or so pages ago. This should not be ignored in all this IMO. If some staff do volunteer for the club, is it not a small price to pay for the good the clubs does?

Xavi6

Alright this crap has gone on long enough. Next person to post an inflammatory comment towards a supporter of another club will get a ban. Discuss the topic without being petty and the thread will stay open. Fans moan about people not taking the league seriously then we have threads like this. Bloody embarrassing lads. Well done.

OhNoYouDidn't

SligoBrewer wrote: »

It's called a level playing field. If taxpayers money is going into a single club as sponsorship, then it ain't a level playing field.

SDCC sponsor Rovers, and I'm sure other local authorities do with other teams. The bigger question is why your Chairman hasn't tapped up the Sligo County Council for some sponsorship or patnerships.

Did you object when Board Gais sponsored the league? Or that the ESB sponsor the Basketball?

There is nothing unusual or inherently wrong with the state sector sponsoring sport, especially the commercial state sector.

Slig fans are generally clued in football people who have the human decency to take a beating and move on. You are not representitive whatsoever of them.

OhNoYouDidn't

Hard Worker wrote: »

I'm glad to hear that Anglo are no longer putting cash into Sporting Fingal.
Regarding Clare Daly: I've read the minutes of the council meeting. Firstly, she warmly congratulated Sporting Fingal on winning the cup. She did raise a few questions and hopefully, the next meeing will have answers to those. The one I'd be most interested in is any involvement that Council staff have in the club. You answered in a previous post that any council staff involved are volunteers. I said in a previous post that it will be interesting to see the official response from the council on this as I have my doubts about that.

What exactly would your objection be if they are? As a taxpayer or supporter of another club?

We have been bemoaning for years that the Gah had a total monopoly on sports funding. Now football gets a slice of the pie, councils start taking an interest in LoI clubs like their continental counterparts, and the whinging starts again.

If other LoI fans object to the deal that Rovers got on Tallaght or the partnership that Fingal have with FCC, rather than piss and moan, ask why your clubs aren't sniffing around to get some of this action.

dsmythy

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

The reason Clare Daly is pushing this, is because she is the opposition and thats what they do. Especially that lady. The fact she even questions the staff volunteering at the club is a joke and shows her motives IMO. With all the club is doing in the community at the moment does she care to bring that up. Of course not. Its her job to appose and question and make accusations. Its what the oppostion do. This is why I will take this article with a pinch of salt.

I could make it simpler. She heard of a local capitalist being involved in the club and being the good little socialist that she is decided to she had to ask questions about the evil man...

CiaranC

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

SDCC sponsor Rovers

What? Since when do SDCC sponsor Rovers?

If other LoI fans object to the deal that Rovers got on Tallaght

The "deal" we got? We pay more for our ground than any other club in the land by a country mile.

OhNoYouDidn't

CiaranC wrote: »

What? Since when do SDCC sponsor Rovers?

Pitchside advertising, programme ads, matchball sponsorship etc.

CiaranC wrote: »

The "deal" we got? We pay more for our ground than any other club in the land by a country mile.

As may be, but the issue I'm pointing out is that there is a lot of ire being directed at Fingal for having a relationship with a local authority, which half the league have.

I'm a Rovers fan by the way, so ease up.

CiaranC

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Pitchside advertising, programme ads, matchball sponsorship etc.



As may be, but the issue I'm pointing out is that there is a lot of ire being directed at Fingal for having a relationship with a local authority, which half the league have.

I'm a Rovers fan by the way, so ease up.

Im well aware youre a hoop ONYD. There is a world of difference in the "relationship" we have with SDCC than whats being alleged is going on here with Fingal. Charging us extortionate rent and then taking half the pitchside sponsorship being a prime example. Maybe they have ads in the programme since I left, but they didnt in the first half of the season, nor can I remember them sponsoring a matchball.

They are just a landlord, and a particularly irritating one at that. Maybe if they gave us an actual lease it would be a start.

OhNoYouDidn't

CiaranC wrote: »

Im well aware youre a hoop ONYD. There is a world of difference in the "relationship" we have with SDCC than whats being alleged is going on here with Fingal. Charging us extortionate rent and then taking half the pitchside sponsorship being a prime example. Maybe they have ads in the programme since I left, but they didnt in the first half of the season, nor can I remember them sponsoring a matchball.

Well they did.

http://shamrockrovers.ie/

Bottom of the page, listed under "Sponsors & Official Partners".

Its not 'illegal' when a state body sponsor something like its being alledged over Anglo. Thats all I was getting at, I'm not comparing FCC and SDCC's relationships with the two clubs.

CiaranC wrote: »

They are just a landlord, and a particularly irritating one at that. Maybe if they gave us an actual lease it would be a start.

Things aren't as bad as all that. By and large our relationship with them is excellent, but for that one roadblock, which I believe to be nearly sorted.

CiaranC

fair enough so chief

Pineapple stu

Gavin shels wrote: »

Maybe he pays taxes, and if the Council is funding yous then he probably doesn't like that fact a part of his tax is funding yous.

His tax wouldnt be given to fingal council anyway. I dont like my taxes being spent on the sligo unemployed either but im not going to take that out on brewer am i

MOVE ON.

Pineapple stu

SligoBrewer wrote: »

800k in High Level Sponsorship.



Hmmm. 800k is more than anyone else (Bohs included, Shams excluded I suspect) is getting.

So what? i feel you are just a bit miffed that we get more sponsorship than you so you are trying to belittle it which you arnt having much luck with

Do you think that we will seek less sponsorship just because brewer and gav are bitching about it on the net? No, it wont happen. Complain all you want and come up with as much suspicion as you want it wont change a thing.
It wont affect the club nor will it affect any of the Sporting fans on here so you are wasting your time brewer me auld china. You have made your point, it has been answered so lets leave it at that shall we?

Pineapple stu

SligoBrewer wrote: »

It's called a level playing field. If taxpayers money is going into a single club as sponsorship, then it ain't a level playing field.

Have you been to Tolka park lately? Thats defo not a level playing field

Pineapple stu

:cool:

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Explain lamper.

Its a smilie, you get them at the side of the page .................................>

Pineapple stu

fh041205 wrote: »

Lads look, if you don't want to talk about the council and John Gannons role in this then kindly stop posting. Can we grow up and get back on topic for a while please? (I know this is back seat modding but 11 pages of this tripe is enough)

So far, Gannon's investment is not suspicious in any way but the reason why is a secret.

We have talked about the council's role with Sporting to the death and its involvment can be accessed on the web for anyone to see. If people chose to raise suspicions on it then thats down to them same as those who dont same as Gannon's input. All brewer and gav want is for us to post on here that there is something dodgey going on so that they can continue to have a pop but that wont happen unless we have 100% proof that there is something dodgey going on. Lamper has made it this clear in one of his posts yet the 2 lads still repeat themselves.

The problem with todays Ireland is that a lot of people always thinks the bad when there isnt any. Gannon is a property developer we know and invests a good bit into Sporting which is also supported by Fingal Council. Why do people automatically think he is only doing this to get in favour with the council? Why cant it be that its because he gets advertisment out of it and that he wants to put something back into the community?
It may or may not look dubious depending how you look at it but no one on here has proof otherwise so enough of the nay saying and a bit more of the ye saying until proved otherwise.
So the lads think there is more to it, so what?
We think there isnt,so what?
There is no point re cycling the same auld comment over and over again just because they have nothing more substantial to post.
Time to move on until something else pops up.

Pineapple stu

Hard Worker wrote: »

No other club in the country gets anywhere near that kind of sponsorship. Pats may have come close, but they were being funded by a Pats fan.
From my own point of view, I don't think that FCC should be in bed with Gannon, and while it may have been OK in the past for Anglo to throw a few bob in, it is sinful now for them to have any financial involvement.

An answer to that has already been made clear so i cant see the reason for you to post that to be honest.

DSB

Xavi6 wrote: »

open. Fans moan about people not taking the league seriously then we have threads like this. Bloody embarrassing lads. Well done.

Eh have you seen the Man Utd and Liverpool threads?

fh041205

Xavi6 wrote: »

Fans moan about people not taking the league seriously then we have threads like this. Bloody embarrassing lads. Well done.

+1.

I'm ashamed to think any potential LOI fan would be reading this. It seems clear that its not possible to discuss this topic here. You would almost put me off the league and I would definately think twice before supporting SF in any way in the future. I'm done.

Lamper.sffc

fh041205 wrote: »

+1.

I'm ashamed to think any potential LOI fan would be reading this. It seems clear that its not possible to discuss this topic here. You would almost put me off the league and I would definately think twice before supporting SF in any way in the future. I'm done.

Well said and thank you for all your input. Especially when you completely ignore one side of an argument and also nice of you to get a dig in before you left. All the best now

Tomthepost

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

Well said and thank you for all your input. Especially when you completely ignore one side of an argument and also nice of you to get a dig in before you left. All the best now

Fingal fans you do yourselves no favours!!!
By replying to posts that you disagree with on this thread you simply re-enforce the title of the thread for boards users which i think you might agree is not at all a positive thing.
2010 is the year the Mahon Report will be published. The truth always comes out at some stage and Im sure it will come out on this topic also.;)
How many games was 'football fan' Gannon at exactly last season??

Paulw

Tomthepost wrote: »

By replying to posts that you disagree with on this thread you simply re-enforce the title of the thread for boards users which i think you might agree is not at all a positive thing.

How many games was 'football fan' Gannon at exactly last season??

There has not been a single post (especially none from DSB) giving any information or details of anything illegal at all.

As for Gannon, I've seen him at a few games, but not over in the stands. He's been over in the VIP bar at Clonliffe Harriers club. I only go over there the odd times after games, so I've no idea just how many games he's been to.

Pineapple stu

Tomthepost wrote: »

Fingal fans you do yourselves no favours!!!
By replying to posts that you disagree with on this thread you simply re-enforce the title of the thread for boards users which i think you might agree is not at all a positive thing.
2010 is the year the Mahon Report will be published. The truth always comes out at some stage and Im sure it will come out on this topic also.;)
How many games was 'football fan' Gannon at exactly last season??

What are you on about with your favours? i didnt know we were looking for some.

Where are you going with your mahon report? Its gone from possible illegal funding as per the thread title to the mahon report. This is getting better , we will be blamed on the recession next

How many times has your team's sponsors been to your league games ?

flahavaj

I blame Sporting Fingal for the bad weather as well. Some shower so they are.

Tomthepost

cymro wrote: »

What are you on about with your favours? i didnt know we were looking for some.

I dont think your board of directors will be too happy for you to continue to keep this issue in the spotlight

Where are you going with your mahon report? Its gone from possible illegal funding as per the thread title to the mahon report. This is getting better , we will be blamed on the recession next

Thankfully illegal activities by corrupt individuals, groups, organisations etc get exposed eventually in this day in age. If Fingal have nothing to worry about why don't you all just leave this topic go. It will die a peaceful death
if you leave it be.

How many times has your team's sponsors been to your league games ?

Nearly every single one of them to be honest

If the LOI can't attract sponsors with a passion for the club they sponsor then Im afraid the League is in a very poor place. I think everyone should be able to accept that.
I heard that Mr Gannon was at just one game in Morton for 2 years and didnt leave the clubhouse for the night yet many posters here have referred to him as a 'huge football fan'
I think this sort of level of interest in the team can lead to questions being asked on his motives of partnering a local authority in an area which I understand he owns a lot of land. Ok maybe this is cynical but after all the crap that went on in this country in the last few years between the banks and the galway races who trusts anyone right now?
The league needs more Mick Wallaces with a genuine passion for the game unfortuately they don't fall from trees (or even Anglo branches)

Lamper.sffc

Tomthepost wrote: »

Nearly every single one of them to be honest

If the LOI can't attract sponsors with a passion for the club they sponsor then Im afraid the League is in a very poor place. I think everyone should be able to accept that.
I heard that Mr Gannon was at just one game in Morton for 2 years and didnt leave the clubhouse for the night yet many posters here have referred to him as a 'huge football fan'
I think this sort of level of interest in the team can lead to questions being asked on his motives of partnering a local authority in an area which I understand he owns a lot of land. Ok maybe this is cynical but after all the crap that went on in this country in the last few years between the banks and the galway races who trusts anyone right now?
The league needs more Mick Wallaces with a genuine passion for the game unfortuately they don't fall from trees (or even Anglo branches)

OK point made.

I think we have said all we have to say on this. At this point we are all going around in circles. I suggest and only suggest that we all leave it there untill something new comes to light.

Tomthepost

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

OK point made.

I think we have said all we have to say on this. At this point we are all going around in circles. I suggest and only suggest that we all leave it there untill something new comes to light.

Those of a golden variety;)?

DSB

Paulw wrote: »

There has not been a single post (especially none from DSB) giving any information or details of anything illegal at all.

As for Gannon, I've seen him at a few games, but not over in the stands. He's been over in the VIP bar at Clonliffe Harriers club. I only go over there the odd times after games, so I've no idea just how many games he's been to.

Why would you expect me to have the information? I just posted the link in its own thread at my BFF Lamper's request.

Hard Worker

cymro wrote: »

An answer to that has already been made clear so i cant see the reason for you to post that to be honest.

I didn't ask a question and therefore, wasn't expecting an answer. I was just expressing an opinion.

Paulw

Tomthepost wrote: »

I heard that Mr Gannon was at just one game in Morton for 2 years and didnt leave the clubhouse for the night yet many posters here have referred to him as a 'huge football fan'

Totally false. He has been at many many games in Morton. Last season, he was in the main stand, but this season he has mostly been in the Clonliffe clubhouse. I've spoken to him at many games.

Pineapple stu

They are only on a wind up paul.

Tomthepost

Paulw wrote: »

Totally false. He has been at many many games in Morton. Last season, he was in the main stand, but this season he has mostly been in the Clonliffe clubhouse. I've spoken to him at many games.

Don't be deluding yourself. I know for a fact this is untrue. I don't know who you think you were talking to at many games but it certainly was not Gerry Gannon.
Your the club phothgrapher right?
Post up all the pictures you have of the chairman at games so or for that matter at any Sporting Fingal ocassion.

Tomthepost

cymro wrote: »

They are only on a wind up paul.

I answered all you questions in a diplomatic manner and this is all you got to offer in reply. Says it all really.

Tomthepost

Lamper.sffc wrote: »

+1

Have you seen him at many many games also? Will you ever wake up and smell the coffee?
I thought that you were agreeing with me that it was best for the image of the club that this thread is discontinued but you are now continuing to kee- the clubs name and the term illegal funding in the spotlight.
As long as people continue to make untrue claims here such as Paulw I will continue to respond to them.

Lamper.sffc

Tomthepost wrote: »

Have you seen him at many many games also? Will you ever wake up and smell the coffee?
I thought that you were agreeing with me that it was best for the image of the club that this thread is discontinued but you are now continuing to kee- the clubs name and the term illegal funding in the spotlight.
As long as people continue to make untrue claims here such as Paulw I will continue to respond to them.

Lad relax. I had deleted that. It wasnt meant for you. When id seen you had posted I knew you would think it was hence why it was deleted. OK chill out.