Drug smuggler Akmal Shaikh executed

Seaneh

slipss wrote: »

You're missing what I was saying again man. You are entitled to believe he deserved to die. I just can't comprehend how murder can be correlated with the teachings of Jesus. I'm fairly certain he was dead against that kind of thing.

I've answered this already...

I'm going to sleep now. gonna hit this defrag button before i do!

TheZohanS

Lets stay on-topic.

slipss

Meh, did scew off topic a bit there, was just going round in circles anyways. Some peopled can't be reasoned with.

me_right_one

slipss wrote: »

mrsdewinter wrote: »

It seems clear that this man was mentally ill. Even lowlife fantasists deserve protection.

Hey easy man, I disagree with me_right_one aswell but there's no need to be so harsh about him.

slipss wrote: »

Well you're entitled to your opinion. It's incredibly stupid, which seems to be a theme with all your posts tonight. But I suspect there is a very obvious explanation for that.

You are entitled to disagree, but please do not insult. I find your remarks offensive.

slipss

me_right_one wrote: »

You are entitled to disagree, but please do not insult. I find your remarks offensive.

Fair enough.

neo2010

Utterly disgraceful that no mental examination was performed, just executed like an animal. Total overhaul of their legal system is needed.

OutlawPete

me_right_one wrote: »

I find your remarks offensive.

I doubt it.

Elliemental

This is a truly pitiful case. Even in medieval England, it was illegal to execute those who were mentally ill! And if the Guardian website is to be believed, this man was given a thirty-minute trial before being condemned to death.
However, apparently this man`s trial was in 2007. How come we`re only hearing about it now? I wouldn`t be surprised if the British Government simply didn`t want to rock the boat before the Beijing Olympics!

magma69

me_right_one wrote: »

Yep.

That has got to be to most absurd mentality I have ever heard. There would be more people in prison than on the outside! So much taxes would be spent on running the prisons the outside world would be poverty stricken and forced to turn to crime and the vicious circle would continue!:pac:

Dravokivich

The guy broke the law in China, They punished him in occordance with thier law... they did not need to send him back to England. Doing this is intended to discourage other people from smuggling.

They can't have a law and not enforce it just becasue the person that broke the law was English. This is not relevant to them at all.

Also... Just because the Chinese had him labeled as "mentally unstable," does not mean he actually was. Anyone that does not behave in the manner the Chinese deem fit is seen as being "mentally unstable." This includes the people who try to rise against Commuinism there.

In short... don't break the law in China... you'll be fucked.

- Drav!

me_right_one

magma69 wrote: »

That has got to be to most absurd mentality I have ever heard. There would be more people in prison than on the outside! So much taxes would be spent on running the prisons the outside world would be poverty stricken and forced to turn to crime and the vicious circle would continue!:pac:

You think its absurd to not break the law? Try living somewhere outside of Ireland for a while, somewhere like, oh I dunno, China?

FFS

magma69

me_right_one wrote: »

You think its absurd to not break the law? Try living somewhere outside of Ireland for a while, somewhere like, oh I dunno, China?

FFS

Yes. Life prison for smoking a benign herb which is nowhere near as dangerous as some legal ones is completely absurd. Your proposals are completely impractical and downright tyrannical. Do you admire Mussolini or Hitler by any chance?

PoleStar

I find it funny how the Brits complained at the execution of someone with "bipolar disorder" despite him having no medical history. It sounds like they were just looking for a way out.

When people visit other countries, for some reason they expect to be treated by the laws of their home country.

You may complain all you want about human rights in China but the bottom line is, if you think their punishments are harsh, then either don't go there or if you do, don't commit crimes there.

TitoPuente

magma69 wrote: »

Do you admire Mussolini or Hitler by any chance?

As much as I generally deplore Nazi references/accusations on web forums, this is a fair question. me_right_one - cop yourself on. Nobody wants to live in a nanny state where governments can introduce draconian, barbaric punishments anymore than people want to live in a completely lawless, chaotic state. There's a happy medium to be achieved.

Tell me... do you think chopping people's feet and hands off for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving family is just? Or do you think that stoning a woman to death for adultery should be enforced in Ireland?

me_right_one

magma69 wrote: »

Yes. Life prison for smoking a benign herb which is nowhere near as dangerous as some legal ones is completely absurd. Your proposals are completely impractical and downright tyrannical. Do you admire Mussolini or Hitler by any chance?

Its only benign because society says it is, and thats because of people like you. Its still a mood altering drug, just like alcohol, which I would also like to see banned TBH. If the drug culture swayed back to being anti-drug, people wouldnt take them as readily, thus reducing prisoner numbers. I admire leaders, upright law abiding citizens, who are willing to help communities and better themselves throughout their lives.

Way to go there adding to cultural acceptance of crime and drugs. I hope you dont pave the way for your children to have drug problems in later life. I also hope that they grow up to have more sense than you.

me_right_one

TitoPuente wrote: »

As much as I generally deplore Nazi references/accusations on web forums, this is a fair question. me_right_one - cop yourself on. Nobody wants to live in a nanny state where governments can introduce draconian, barbaric punishments anymore than people want to live in a completely lawless, chaotic state. There's a happy medium to be achieved.

Tell me... do you think chopping people's feet and hands off for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving family is just? Or do you think that stoning a woman to death for adultery should be enforced in Ireland?

You have it the wrong way round. We ARE living in a nanny state. A nanny state is one where arch criminals are given free legal aid, and let off time after time cos they come from a "disadvantaged" background.

Well I didnt grow up in disneyland, and I've never shoplifted. Fcuk right off with your free legal aid.

As for chopping off hands, no. Just jail time.

TitoPuente

me_right_one wrote: »

You have it the wrong way round. We ARE living in a nanny state. A nanny state is one where arch criminals are given free legal aid, and let off time after time cos they come from a "disadvantaged" background.

I'm glad we live in a just society where everyone is entitled to legal representation. If you're an advocate of how our judicial system functions, how could you not agree with this?

Also - when was the last time an 'arch criminal' was let off because they came from a disadvantaged background?

Don't get me wrong - I agree that serious criminals should be punished harshly. Particularly repeat offenders. But you're advocating peoples' freedoms being taken away. You seem to be advocating the complete banning of any non-medical drugs on the basis that they're "evil" without, I'm assuming, knowing a whole lot about drug use - recreational, abusive or otherwise. This includes an already legal drug - alcohol - you even think that should be banned. Well it's currently legal under the laws and statutes that you so strongly advocate. Doesn't that make you look silly?

me_right_one wrote: »

Well I didnt grow up in disneyland, and I've never shoplifted. Fcuk right off with your free legal aid.

Oooookay.

El Weirdo

me_right_one wrote: »

Well I didnt grow up in disneyland, and I've never shoplifted. Fcuk right off with your free legal aid.

So you're wrongly accused of a crime and you can't afford to pay for a legal team to defend you? What do you do then?

positron

While it was a bit crude and last-century from China's part for executing him without giving him another six months say for doctors to examine him etc, but if you read the guy's past, it isn't all that great - all he seems to have done is break the laws on various countries - and if it wasn't for Chinese, he would have got himself killed in some other way anyway..!

Going into China with a suitcase that you didn't pack is like driving into a concrete wall - Darwinism ftw!

me_right_one

El Weirdo wrote: »

So you're wrongly accused of a crime and you can't afford to pay for a legal team to defend you? What do you do then?

I hate this saying, but oh my god. OMFG! WHATS WRONG WITH YOUR OWN BRAIN AND MOUTH?

Hugo Drax

First there was the dream, now there is reality. Here in the untainted cradle of the heavens will be created a new super race, a race of perfect physical specimens. You have been selected as its progenitors. Like gods, your offspring will return to Earth and shape it in their image. You have all served in public capacties in my terrestrial empire. Your seed, like yourselves, will pay deference to the ultimate dynasty which I alone have created. From their first day on Earth they will be able to look up and know that there is law and order in the heavens.

ClayDavis

me_right_one wrote: »

I hate this saying, but oh my god. OMFG! WHATS WRONG WITH YOUR OWN BRAIN AND MOUTH?

errr... what if your own brain and mouth are not legally trained or at least familiar with court procedure?

I have to give you credit though. You're a superb troll.

sold

moretothegirl wrote: »

I think its a scary world we live in... id say he was smuggling drugs all rite and new exactly what he was at.... but execution.... harsh...

China was under a lot of pressure not to execute him, the problem is that no doing so would seem to undermine their authority and legal system. They have sent a message to drug smugglers, its scary and harsh, for sure I would be checking my suitcase before I went to China. But with a population of 1billion you can imagine the backlash if they appeared weak and treated a foreigner differently from their own. And lets face it in 2003 China pressured the UK goverment not to go to War in Iraq and Blair was not for turning then, Goverments can't be seen to be weak.

Trojan911

poisonated wrote: »

What is your opinion of the guy who was executed in China yesterday?

Dead, and rightly so as well.

me_right_one

TitoPuente wrote: »

I'm glad we live in a just society where everyone is entitled to legal representation. If you're an advocate of how our judicial system functions, how could you not agree with this?

I'm not an advocate of our judicial system at all, its way too soft. How do you think that? I agree with some of it, and while its in place, its the best we have and everybody should abide by it. Read my previous posts for the changes in punishments I'd make.

TitoPuente wrote: »

Also - when was the last time an 'arch criminal' was let off because they came from a disadvantaged background?

Did you ever hear of martin cahill? The IRA had to get him in the end. And just look at all the scumbags walking through our cities. They dont profit from crime?

TitoPuente wrote: »

Don't get me wrong - I agree that serious criminals should be punished harshly. Particularly repeat offenders. But you're advocating peoples' freedoms being taken away. You seem to be advocating the complete banning of any non-medical drugs on the basis that they're "evil" without, I'm assuming, knowing a whole lot about drug use - recreational, abusive or otherwise. This includes an already legal drug - alcohol - you even think that should be banned. Well it's currently legal under the laws and statutes that you so strongly advocate. Doesn't that make you look silly?

What freedoms am I suggesting taking away? Whats all this about "evilness"? I never said any such thing! I'm advocating having the balls to enforce the existing laws rigidly! If a drug is illegal and you use it, you deserve jail! Simple as! The alcohol thing is just my preference, but it'll never happen.

me_right_one

ClayDavis wrote: »

errr... what if your own brain and mouth are not legally trained or at least familiar with court procedure?

I have to give you credit though. You're a superb troll.

Well if Iwas wrongly accused of a crime and couldnt afford a solicitor, I'd be BURNING through all the law books and information I could before the court. And if I was blind, I'd do it through Braille:rolleyes:

El Weirdo

me_right_one wrote: »

What freedoms am I suggesting taking away?

Erm, the freedom to be represented in a court of law for a kick-off.

me_right_one

magma69 wrote: »

Do you admire Mussolini or Hitler by any chance?

No, but Ulysses Grant and Charles DeGaul would be high in my esteem. You should read about them.

Hugo Drax

Le Fil de L'epee

me_right_one

El Weirdo wrote: »

Erm, the freedom to be represented in a court of law for a kick-off.

Haha. I dare ya to quote the post I said that in:rolleyes:

Liam Byrne

[quote=[Deleted User];63705875]The laws in these countries are mad.[/QUOTE]

It's the laws in our country that's mad!!!! First TV / dog licence offence or something : jailed; 55th mugging or armed robbery : suspended sentence.

If a law says something will be the consequences of acting like a scumbag, then they should stand over it.

And no-one has the right to complain if they do something that forces the judiciary to enforce that law.....that was their (the individual scumbag's) choice.

What signal do people reckon this will send out to scum ? And what signal did the last Irish conviction that you heard of send to them ?

El Weirdo

me_right_one wrote: »

Haha. I dare ya to quote the post I said that in:rolleyes:

Well, by abolishing free legal aid, you are denying the freedom of legal representation to those who can't afford it.

Hugo Drax

In this instance the man was afforded the Chinese equivalent of "due process" or fair procedures.

I think it's out rageous to execute someone for drugs as opposed to murder but thet's their laws.

He shbould have accquainted himself better with the penalties for such behaviour before he decided to head to China with a suitcase full of high grade heroin.

me_right_one

El Weirdo wrote: »

Well, by abolishing free legal aid, you are denying the freedom of legal representation to those who can't afford it.

Start at post 72 and catch-up.

Actually, I'm nearly sure it was you who I was answering!

El Weirdo

me_right_one wrote: »

Start at post 72 and catch-up.

Actually, I'm nearly sure it was you who I was answering!

What? The "OMFG WHAT ABOUT YOUR OWN BRAIN AND MOUTH" shite? Bollocks.

Jesus fucking Christ, not everyone is as smart as you seem to think you are.

Also, you don't just need representation at the trial. Who is going to advise you whilst you are being interviewed after your arrest?

builttospill

That rabbit song is a grower. It carries a kind of perverse charm, not unlike Daniel Johnston. I'm sticking it on my ipod. What a waste of talent. Another bright hope taken away from us far too soon.

pebbles21

Akmal Shaikh

As Al Murray would say "Beautiful British Name"

hitlersson666

ROFL he as obousley nuts listen to this

no wonder they killed i would anyway if someone sung like this hehe

El Weirdo

hitlersson666 wrote: »

ROFL he as obousley nuts listen to this

no wonder they killed i would anyway if someone sung like this hehe

What an excellent addition to the thread.

Maybe they should bring back capital punishment for bad grammar/spelling too.:rolleyes:

BTW, if you'd bothered to read the whole thread, you'd see that the video was posted in the first couple of pages.

never2fast

I am suprised that no one mentioned this, but if this man was let off, what about the locals who are facing the same fate for 1kg of the drug? where is the justice in that, so its really change the whole law or he has to face what locals would face for the same crime.

I do not agree with capital punishment on first instance of any crime (maybe except the worst torture/muders) but I think it is appropriate for serious re-offenders.

RobbieTheRobber

never2fast wrote: »

I am suprised that no one mentioned this, but if this man was let off, what about the locals who are facing the same fate for 1kg of the drug? where is the justice in that, so its really change the whole law or he has to face what locals would face for the same crime.

I do not agree with capital punishment on first instance of any crime (maybe except the worst torture/muders) but I think it is appropriate for serious re-offenders.

Im sure its come up already in this thread but the man had a history of mental illness there are exemption in chinese law to allow leniancy for people sufferring from mental illness.

So no law change would be needed and the same law that was being appealed for use here is available for all victims of the Chinese justice system

never2fast

when you say a history of mental illness, whats that based on?

I am just asking cause apart from the crappy song and other people's opinions, I read in the BBC news there is no prior medical records available.

mr_edge_to_you

He went to China. Got caught doing something he shouldn't have been doing. The law of the land is the law and if if you get caught in a place with tough justice systems well then so be it.

I remember a case as well a few years back where an Irish student was drunk and started acting the bollox in front of an important national monument (mooning local guards etc) and was sentenced to a few lashes of a whip. Human rights people were giving out.

If you travel abroad you should respect the laws of that country.

Also, when you commit a crime in other countries you are dealing with the same justice system as other people in that country. You mightn't favour their methods but it is fair in the sense that it applies to everyone in that jurisdiction.

InKonspikuou2

This mental illness is just a way of the Brits complaining about the death penalty without upsetting their good buddies the Americans. He had no history or medical records to prove he had this illness. If i was defending this fella i would have gone with that defense too.

He smuggled a huge amount of drugs in a country with a very strict punishment for said crime and he paid the price of his life. This argument is simply gonna be whether you agree with the death penalty or not.

me_right_one

El Weirdo wrote: »

What? The "OMFG WHAT ABOUT YOUR OWN BRAIN AND MOUTH" shite? Bollocks.

Jesus fucking Christ, not everyone is as smart as you seem to think you are.

Also, you don't just need representation at the trial. Who is going to advise you whilst you are being interviewed after your arrest?

Relax there lad. No need to get in a huff just cos your wrong.

I never said the right to representation should be done away with, what I said was, arch criminals, who probably have more wealth than the barristers representing them, can fcuk off with their free legal aid.

And if someone genuinely cant afford a barrister, DIY. Barristers are only people too, they had to learn from scratch, and everyone in the country did the leaving cert! The law is written down for all citizens to see, if I was in that predicament, I'd rouse myself to get a handle on it. You're innocent until proven guilty. Just cos you have a lawyer there wont get you off the hook!

Yerman in china didnt cop-on to himself, and now it has cost him his life.

General Zod

hitlersson666


Edgy Name. please share more of your wisdom.

laugh

Does China buy anything from the Western world? Or is all the cash just flowing one direction? If they have a problem with them, shut up an stop trading with them.

givyjoe81

me_right_one wrote: »

Relax there lad. No need to get in a huff just cos your wrong.

I never said the right to representation should be done away with, what I said was, arch criminals, who probably have more wealth than the barristers representing them, can fcuk off with their free legal aid.

And if someone genuinely cant afford a barrister, DIY. Barristers are only people too, they had to learn from scratch, and everyone in the country did the leaving cert! The law is written down for all citizens to see, if I was in that predicament, I'd rouse myself to get a handle on it. You're innocent until proven guilty. Just cos you have a lawyer there wont get you off the hook!

Yerman in china didnt cop-on to himself, and now it has cost him his life.

You have been watching way too much Ally McBeal or whatever, walking into any courtroom for whatever reason you are there is a recipe for disaster. Plus the judge will be less than sypmpathetic with your ruff round the edges unfamiliary with court room etiquette.

walshb

The guy smuggled 4 kg Heroin? into China. Then, the red herrings came out about bipolar. The Chinese found no case of mental illness whatsoever.
The Chinese cannot afford to pick and choose who they do and do
not execute. And, does anyone really believe that Gordon Brown or any other
establishment Brit gives a toss about this guy. After all, is he British? I mean, really British in their eyes?

Stercus Accidit

The british government recently agreed to deport an autistic to be tried in the US for hacking into a government database looking for "ufo's"

The difference here is it was the US who demanded it, a country which uses torture none the less, but its the US so its ok.


Now that same british government whines that a drug smuggler is being tried and charged by local laws, where he actually committed a crime, rather than through a computer.


This is high hypocrisy.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/Tag/mckinnon - This is the link about the British "hacker" with mental problems, no british intervention here.