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Battlestar Galactica 1978
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30-12-2009 12:49pm#1Yep the original and imo the best!
I liked the 1978 one and the 1980 series. I haven't taken to the recent 're-imagining' of it though. It's not got the magic of the original.
I've started a very nice lens on this subject.
http://www.squidoo.com/battlestargalactica1978
In 2010-1 the new BSG movie is coming out and Bryan Singer is directing. Looking forward to that
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BSG 1978 was ok, typical late 1970s sci-fi show spured on by the Star Wars hype. The plot was good but some of the characters were dreadful to say the least, especially Boxy and the two bimbos always fighting over Star Buck. A camp Cylon called Lucifer and numerous silly looking aliens didn't help either imo.
BSG 1980 should never have been made, some folks talk about pregnant Cylons in the reimaged version, have a look at BSG 1980, flying scouts ffs and the milky bar kid with a british accent who was supposed to be Star Buck's child. The only redeaming episode was the halloween one where the cylons actually landed on Earth and the centurion was mistaken to be in costume by some drugged out hippies.
The reimaged version had a great unravelling story, interesting characters and rated as one of the best sci-fi shows of all time despite not having one alien through out the series.
BSG 1980 was shotgunned into being with a big list of 'clauses' that including catering to a family/kids audience (the original 1978 was adult orientated in ways the new one can only dream), educational and have nearly all the action take place on or around earth.
So they worked with what they could and did the best available with fck all cash, compared to the new BSG.
As a kid I loved both BSG 1978 and 1980 equally so I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Now as an adult if I compare the new 'reimagining' with the old 1978 version I'd pick the 1978 version every time.
The reimagining for a start is working with the original concept but running too far and too fast. That was never what it was all about. If the old one was a bit rough around the edges and a bit too 'macho' then the new one has the whole emaciated 1990s / 2000s man. I mean why make Starbuck a woman and Boomer!?
The old series had a whole bunch of female fighter pilots in it and they added to the spice to the whole atmosphere.
But this new Starbuck character didn't do anything for me, she was like a woman in a mans trousers.
Now that's cool and I don't see a fault per sa but not when you steal the role from a male character in the first place.
That's like re-making the film aliens with a male lead character playing Ripley.
I think they tried too hard to please the feminazi types and it backfired a bit there.
The SFX is very good and impressive I'm not knocking it for that. The actings not bad either, but the direction and story they took isn't one many fans took to.0 -
Doesn't a traitorous human commad the cylons in the old one? Isn't there some Reptillian (seriously!) king in the old one? Don't the cylons have a home planet with Cylon civilians?
No idea how you can suspend belief for the old one and not the new one.
Each to their own but I'm proud to be one ofthe vast majority who recognise the revamp for the genious it is.
Partly correct but no means genius.
The reptilians created the cylons who turned and destroyed their masters and the cylon 'king' is fashioned after one but is a robot/cyborg.
Cylon civilian? Sure why not? This is a sci-fi genre afterall.
You have to understand that BSG (reimagining) took a 'Hard Sci-Fi' approach (that didn't really work that well) vs BSG TOS 'Open-ended Sci-Fi' (which pretty much did work).
I mean V the miniseries (both the old and new) have reptilians in them and they fly around in space ships too so it's not an unknown concept by anymeans in sci-fi 0 -
Watch Ryder wrote: »BSG 1980 was shotgunned into being with a big list of 'clauses' that including catering to a family/kids audience (the original 1978 was adult orientated in ways the new one can only dream), educational and have nearly all the action take place on or around earth.
So they worked with what they could and did the best available with fck all cash, compared to the new BSG.
How on earth was the old one more adult-orientated? If it was forced to cater for kids and families as you say then can you please resolve this contradiction for me?
Feck all cash? Wasn't it a million per episode an absolute fortune in th 70s? If anything I bet the original series had more money for its first season than the re-imagined one did.
EDIT: Obviously taking into account the respective values of 1 million now and 30+ years ago before anyone gets smart.Watch Ryder wrote: »The reimagining for a start is working with the original concept but running too far and too fast. That was never what it was all about. If the old one was a bit rough around the edges and a bit too 'macho' then the new one has the whole emaciated 1990s / 2000s man. I mean why make Starbuck a woman and Boomer!?
The old series had a whole bunch of female fighter pilots in it and they added to the spice to the whole atmosphere.
But this new Starbuck character didn't do anything for me, she was like a woman in a mans trousers.
Now that's cool and I don't see a fault per sa but not when you steal the role from a male character in the first place.
That's like re-making the film aliens with a male lead character playing Ripley.
I think they tried too hard to please the feminazi types and it backfired a bit there.
The SFX is very good and impressive I'm not knocking it for that. The actings not bad either, but the direction and story they took isn't one many fans took to.
Again, if anything the old one was 'camp' compared to the re-imagined series in my opinion, I certainly don't see the macho aspects of it. There were female characters but most of them were fairly tough and realistic tbh and didn't just pander to the 1970s housewife stereotype of some of the women in the original series.
The acting is far better in the new series, I can't even enertain an argument to the contrary - honestly I won't change your mind if that is what you think. You say the story just isn't the one original fans fell in love with? Okay, fair enough. I personally think there were only so many Cylon attacks on the fleet they could do and in the re-imagined series they mostly moved out of the post-season 1.Watch Ryder wrote: »Partly correct but no means genius.
The reptilians created the cylons who turned and destroyed their masters and the cylon 'king' is fashioned after one but is a robot/cyborg.
Cylon civilian? Sure why not? This is a sci-fi genre afterall.
You have to understand that BSG (reimagining) took a 'Hard Sci-Fi' approach (that didn't really work that well) vs BSG TOS 'Open-ended Sci-Fi' (which pretty much did work).
I mean V the miniseries (both the old and new) have reptilians in them and they fly around in space ships too so it's not an unknown concept by any means in sci-fi
I can't really knock the use of aliens if thats what they wanted but I think it is far more prophetic to have it as a human creation. I think robot civilians are a bit of a silly idea personally, wandering about a planet going about their business, robotic voices and everything. It made more sense in the new series for me because at least they were humans made in the Cylon image.0 -
How on earth was the old one more adult-orientated? If it was forced to cater for kids and families as you say then can you please resolve this contradiction for me?
Feck all cash? Wasn't it a million per episode an absolute fortune in th 70s? If anything I bet the original series had more money for its first season than the re-imagined one did.
EDIT: Obviously taking into account the respective values of 1 million now and 30+ years ago before anyone gets smart.
Again, if anything the old one was 'camp' compared to the re-imagined series in my opinion, I certainly don't see the macho aspects of it. There were female characters but most of them were fairly tough and realistic tbh and didn't just pander to the 1970s housewife stereotype of some of the women in the original series.
The acting is far better in the new series, I can't even enertain an argument to the contrary - honestly I won't change your mind if that is what you think. You say the story just isn't the one original fans fell in love with? Okay, fair enough. I personally think there were only so many Cylon attacks on the fleet they could do and in the re-imagined series they mostly moved out of the post-season 1.
I can't really knock the use of aliens if thats what they wanted but I think it is far more prophetic to have it as a human creation. I think robot civilians are a bit of a silly idea personally, wandering about a planet going about their business, robotic voices and everything. It made more sense in the new series for me because at least they were humans made in the Cylon image.
Yeah but changing the whole humans are the creators angle just muddy's the water and generates needless guilt-trip vibes.
At least in the original it's clear cut good vs evil and not confusing the audience needlessly.
The Reptilians saw that with an immortal race based on mankind they'd rule the roost so they created the cylons. This is how you get the robtic angle there
Don't know about you but the whole pandering to the 70s housewife thing is obviously the opinion of either an emaciated man who kowtows to a feminazi agenda. Or someone who wants women to become men. Not pretty and not even realistic.
I can tell you from serving in the armed forces that women like the new 'starbuck' are nonexistant.
Whereas at least in BSG TOS there is some realism with the characters.0 -
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Smoke and Hokum!Sorry if it confused you but I am happy the waters were muddied and we had something less a little more sophisticated than a good V evil arc.
Not entirely sure where you are going with this but the women in the reimagined series had actual roles (Cain , Starbuck, Sharons, Sixes) and were not part of the furniture to the degree the majority of women in the 1978 version were.
I am not getting dragged into whatever other argument you seem to be heading towards at the end there but times have changed since 1978 and it was silly to expect the role of women in the show to have stayed the same.
You seem to have some guilt / negative vibes towards the original send you into smoke and mirrors here my friend.
Furniture? Are you on drugs or something? Or are you some crony of castrating the male psyche?
The 60s and 70s probably wouldn't of even happened if you were running the show!
BSG TOS certainly was more appealing to male and female viewers than the new series which tried to be something its not.
They could of made it a whole lot better than going in a complete opposite direction which is what they did.
Lets not pretend that that because the role and gender of Starbuck and so on being different is any better. It made it worse and it's not just me saying it, it's nearly all the fans of BSG TOS.
I think it's time you went into the ignore pile as I've had enough of listening to your bs.
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Watch Ryder wrote: »Smoke and Hokum!
What?Watch Ryder wrote: »You seem to have some guilt / negative vibes towards the original send you into smoke and mirrors here my friend.
Furniture? Are you on drugs or something? Or are you some crony of castrating the male psyche?
The 60s and 70s probably wouldn't of even happened if you were running the show!
What?Watch Ryder wrote: »BSG TOS certainly was more appealing to male and female viewers than the new series which tried to be something its not.
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Wrong.Watch Ryder wrote: »I think it's time you went into the ignore pile as I've had enough of listening to your bs.
I think it is time you acted your age to be fair. You do strike me as the type of person who will resort to ignore list threats or 'bs' as a defence once your weak arguments begin to fall short though.
Good luck to you.0 -
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Johnny Storm wrote: »I LOL'd
EDITed to add: To be fair, I really enjoyed the opening two hour ep of the 1978 version at the time. IMHO it went dowhill fairly quickly afterwards though with some good eps (Gun on Ice Planet 9 springs to mind). An edited version of that first ep was shown in cinemas in Europe as a movie AFAICR.
As regards the budget for the 1978 version, it seemed to me that a lot of money was spent on that first ep but then after that the FX shots were reused in every ep (normal practice for SF shows until recently).
Yeah, did you just hear something? I'm sure a blast of hot air from Noodlemans direction just came breezing by
Anyway the good news is BSG the movie is being made and all being well it'll be 'in the spirit' of the old school version
Thank goodness for that :cool:0 -
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Watch Ryder wrote: »Yeah, did you just hear something? I'm sure a blast of hot air from Noodlemans direction just came breezing by
Anyway the good news is BSG the movie is being made and all being well it'll be 'in the spirit' of the old school version
Thank goodness for that :cool:
Now now, we debated it until you ran out of points and just got obnoxious.
Stay classy.0 -
in fairness you can say that the '78 version was a little bit more adult orientated. The girlies all wore skimpy clothes.
In the re-imagined version it was only 6 who regularly 'splayed some skin!!
and what nice skin it is too.
That's about the only 'good' thing about the '78 version. Second time round it was twice the storyline/theme/series.0 -
in fairness you can say that the '78 version was a little bit more adult orientated. The girlies all wore skimpy clothes.
In the re-imagined version it was only 6 who regularly 'splayed some skin!!
and what nice skin it is too.
That's about the only 'good' thing about the '78 version. Second time round it was twice the storyline/theme/series.
Give me a break!
Are you forgetting that without the '78 version you wouldn't even have your precious new series?
I think it's the generation Yers out there that missed all the fun of the 70s and the 80s
The new series was a poor 'update' and is nowhere near as good as the old 1978 version. At least the old one had imagination and heart. This new one is just about the most over-hyped and over-rated thing in the TV scene the way some of you are talking.0 -
Battlestar 1978 Can anyone tell me was there an episode where Starbuck goes to 'heaven'?
I remember he was in this strange place with characters dressed in white and his space uniform was all white. I know it existed because I saw it at least twice on TV.
I've looked up Wiki episode guide but nothing rings a bell.
Please someone put me out of my misery 0 -
Watch Ryder wrote: »Give me a break!
Are you forgetting that without the '78 version you wouldn't even have your precious new series?
I think it's the generation Yers out there that missed all the fun of the 70s and the 80s
The new series was a poor 'update' and is nowhere near as good as the old 1978 version. At least the old one had imagination and heart. This new one is just about the most over-hyped and over-rated thing in the TV scene the way some of you are talking.
Can I ask you your age? Just wondering if you became a fan of the old series at the time or was it sometime after?
Look, lets not argue - lets just debate. I think, personally, the main problem with your arguments is that you haven't conceded one positive about the new show (bar maybe the SFX).
I fully appreciate the concept was started in the old show and am thankful for it.
Finally, and I am not using this as an argument that the new show is better, but do you accept that the majority of people prefer the new series?0 -
stressed out wrote: »Battlestar 1978 Can anyone tell me was there an episode where Starbuck goes to 'heaven'?
I remember he was in this strange place with characters dressed in white and his space uniform was all white. I know it existed because I saw it at least twice on TV.
I've looked up Wiki episode guide but nothing rings a bell.
Please someone put me out of my misery
Yep - There were 2 episodes of the "Mysterious Bright Lights"
They first appear in EP 15 "War of the Gods Part I" as we meet Count Iblis, but it's EP 16 "War of the Gods Part II" that we understand what they are. I think this is the episode you are thinking of.
Then in EP 22 "Experiments on Terra" they come back again and bring Apollo (and I think eventually Starbuck) to what we initially think is Earth - but is in fact Terra (go figure)
FWIW
I enjoyed the 78s and 80s episodes and also the new re-imagined series. If I had to choose which I preferred it would be the new one.
The original 78s ep1/2 were excellent. Great effects, and acting. But to lose Jane Seymour so early on I think they lost something there.
Looking back now (I have both 78s and 80s on DVD) they were very camp the further they got in - but hey, so was Buck Rogers . My main issue with the 78s was the lack of continuing storyline, it really was episode to episode, but episode (sometimes spanning 2) with no real direction. That coupled with the week on week reduction of budget that you could visibly see really didn't help. A real pity it was stopped though, cos we had some great stories in there - War of the Gods, Living Legend, and Gun on Ice Planet Zero. But there was some drivel - The Magnificent Warriors, The Young Lords, The Man With Nine Lives...
Seemed to be a trend that the good ones were double episodes
The 80s stuff was typically drivel. I enjoyed it when I was growing up, but looking back now it should never have been made. The only episode of the bunch that was of any good was "The Return of Starbuck" which was an attempt to re-establish the link with the sucess of the 78s. It didn't work, and it was already too late to revive a fairly bad run of crap.
Now to the 00s.. I'm with others. Female Starbuck just didn't work for me. Would have been better to have a guy.
BUT in general the story kept building - yep, episodic at times, but overall it really worked to build momentum. It was much Darker, and the way it was directed was excellent. Re-watched the first 2 episodes there again recently and it is epic. Yes - they coped out of the robot cylons, but human versions added that additional tension. And when we did get robots they weren't some tin men made in mans image, but big ass robots that you don't want to cross.
Pity they cut it short and in season 4 rushed to tidy it up.0 -
Yep - There were 2 episodes of the "Mysterious Bright Lights"
They first appear in EP 15 "War of the Gods Part I" as we meet Count Iblis, but it's EP 16 "War of the Gods Part II" that we understand what they are. I think this is the episode you are thinking of.
Then in EP 22 "Experiments on Terra" they come back again and bring Apollo (and I think eventually Starbuck) to what we initially think is Earth - but is in fact Terra (go figure)
FWIW
I enjoyed the 78s and 80s episodes and also the new re-imagined series. If I had to choose which I preferred it would be the new one.
The original 78s ep1/2 were excellent. Great effects, and acting. But to lose Jane Seymour so early on I think they lost something there.
Looking back now (I have both 78s and 80s on DVD) they were very camp the further they got in - but hey, so was Buck Rogers . My main issue with the 78s was the lack of continuing storyline, it really was episode to episode, but episode (sometimes spanning 2) with no real direction. That coupled with the week on week reduction of budget that you could visibly see really didn't help. A real pity it was stopped though, cos we had some great stories in there - War of the Gods, Living Legend, and Gun on Ice Planet Zero. But there was some drivel - The Magnificent Warriors, The Young Lords, The Man With Nine Lives...
Seemed to be a trend that the good ones were double episodes
The 80s stuff was typically drivel. I enjoyed it when I was growing up, but looking back now it should never have been made. The only episode of the bunch that was of any good was "The Return of Starbuck" which was an attempt to re-establish the link with the sucess of the 78s. It didn't work, and it was already too late to revive a fairly bad run of crap.
Now to the 00s.. I'm with others. Female Starbuck just didn't work for me. Would have been better to have a guy.
BUT in general the story kept building - yep, episodic at times, but overall it really worked to build momentum. It was much Darker, and the way it was directed was excellent. Re-watched the first 2 episodes there again recently and it is epic. Yes - they coped out of the robot cylons, but human versions added that additional tension. And when we did get robots they weren't some tin men made in mans image, but big ass robots that you don't want to cross.
Pity they cut it short and in season 4 rushed to tidy it up.
I'm kinda vibing with you but the whole human robot thing and the insect looking robot versions didn't do it for me.
Yep the new series was prettier but they had the cash and tech which BSG TOS didn't have...0 -
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