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Sabbatical Elections 2010
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Ginja Ninja wrote: »I walked right into that one i'll admit,are you actually going to vote in this ?
It was too easy
No, most certainly not. I've made my position quite clear on the SU in other threads.0 -
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Ginja Ninja wrote: »true,but they do get about 50k a year,another year doin damn all as a college student and a gem on their CV
Which goes to show what a disgraceful organisation it is.I think you've over-stated that figure?
A friend is running for an SU position in DIT (don't worry, I give him plenty of abuse
) and he says that they are paid around €25k. Id imagine the UCD figures is closer to that, but who knows :rolleyes: 0 -
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Jesus like, get over yere apathy. If ye said ye would have bet Lynam in an election go ahead and go for it. If ye say the SU is useless go ahead and try and change it if ye care. But don't give others a hard time for believing in Student Politics.
SU bookie, like yeah ok whatever. I like to think I made a difference in UCD especially as my years in college media where I tried to question the actions of the SU as a paid staff member of the union. I am sure that you are aware that media and journalism play a very important role in questioning the actions of ones ruling body. Do you disagree that people have not got the right to complain about where there money is going ? I never once met my class rep so they are useless.
Regarding me saying I would have beaten Paul. Well for me it would have been a massive sacrifice as it would have meant a MASSIVE drop in pay and serious downward move in the eyes of people who actually matter outside of UCD. Im not prepared to make that sacrifice for people who just want free booze and to be on the guestlist for D2. Thanks
You dont have to be an active member of the UCDSU to take a step back and see it's results. Which are very minimal.One thing I have noticed in UCD is that students are unable to see their own failings and the ****test event or useless balloon launch is seen as a massive blow for student rights. Student politics is laughable and your obviously blind to it. No offence. The lefties, who I disagree with on all matters incidentally, all gave up when they seen that the Union was no longer about students rights but students free booze and the SU gang.Yeah ye can all say SU Officers earn 50k a year or someting ridicolous like that but ye really don't know the sacrifices people take. I am supporting a candidate this year cos I still believe that UCDSU makes a difference. As far as i'm concerned, all ye who have such a dispariging view of the UCDSU Elections should start yere own thread about how crap it is.
If you want a view of how great the union is I suggest you take your thread to newswire. If you want a realistic view of what real students think of the union then keep reading.I say for one fair play to Paul Lynam, Pat de Brun, Colm Maguire, Lisa Henry, John Logue, James Williamson, Scottie Ahearne, and Jonny Cosgrove for making a huge personal and financial sacrifice to put themselves forward. It's better than a lot of others who stand sniping at the sidelines would do.
Yes there are names on that list I think will do a great job. Personal and financial sacrifice. L - O ****ing L . Ok so lets break down this personal and financial sacrifice.- get Paid to take a year out of college
- extend your college life without having to face the real world
- free entry to clubs and freebies from promoters
- innocent idiotic first years putting out because they think you are someone
- free BOOOOOZE
- a free blackberry
- something to stick on the CV when you want to run for Fianna Fail in a bye election
- your face plastered all over campus on a very unflattering poster
- an army of sycophantic first years
- did i mention the free booze?
- no actual accountability. Cough Holly Irvine accounts scandal COUGH COUGH & well "Fingers"
- USI junkets, class rep training. All essentially free holidays
- A step ladder to the equally useless and shortsighted USI
- See recent Fianna Fail candidate for job opportunities when leaving UCDSU
- Jobs for all your mates
- Creaming money off the SU accounts for ...... items (some people here know what I mean)
Yeah what a sacrifice it must be for these people :rolleyes: .
Financially they get paid so I dont see how they are sacrificing anything just gaining 20k
Personal to become self apointed celebs in UCD and stock up ones CV. Yeah jesus its not like they are giving a year of their lives in Haiti helping people.
Its hangers on like you SUBookie that are bought in with the ideals of "change" and "making life better for the students". Please give me one example of something GOOD the union did this year other than the time that Gary Redmond broke mandate and agreed to cut the health service for students before exec and council were elected. Surely thats an impeachable offence and the class reps will do their jobs. WILL THEY FUCK!Who can blame them, who wants to rock the boat when a future il presidente is threatening first year class reps in council. (OOoohh yes it happened). No more free booze and union nights out for you little first year.
This isnt the sidelines, this is where the reality is. Outside the SU on boards.ie people can say what they feel. Belfield FM / Observer are funded by the SU and the Tribune never seems to grow the balls, probably because of the big 1 page advertisement the SU buy every issue. If you want to hear about how great you are and how amazing the SU makes life for the students take it to Newswire as I said or stand up with all the budding sabats in council next year and give yourselves a round of applause when you are spending 45k of the students money on a piss up in a hotel in Blessington oh trashing a small village in courtown with 10 euro spending money per class rep thanks to your friendly Union. Oh sorry I meant "essential class rep training that cant be done in the Astra Hall like auditors training for free.... training". I have yet to meet a class rep that hasnt come back and said "that was ****ing deadly got totally wasted, pissed somewhere and scored someone I shouldnt have". I have never ONCE met a class rep, and i know alot of class reps over the past 5 years who came back and said "i learned how to be a class rep". Im very glad to know how a portion of my registration fee is spent well. Thanks lads!
And I also campaigned for a candidate last year who made it blatantly clear to her campaign team that she didnt know what she wanted to do with her life and figured the union would kill some time and get her in with the USI crew. Didnt really give two ****s about the students.
I know this because I was on the team.
You were saying something about sidelines there?
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Jesus like, get over yere apathy. If ye said ye would have bet Lynam in an election go ahead and go for it. If ye say the SU is useless go ahead and try and change it if ye care. But don't give others a hard time for believing in Student Politics.
I'm just going to repeat myself from another thread:
Why would we get involved in something that we think is utterly useless?
Perfectly acceptable to complain about something that pretends to represent me. Especially when it is a defunct, wasteful, counterproductive, failed organisation.Yeah ye can all say SU Officers earn 50k a year or someting ridicolous like that but ye really don't know the sacrifices people take.
Yeah, being paid 20k odd for a year in UCD's Student Union... a real sacrifice :rolleyes:I am supporting a candidate this year cos I still believe that UCDSU makes a difference.
You are, respectfully, extremely naive.As far as i'm concerned, all ye who have such a dispariging view of the UCDSU Elections should start yere own thread about how crap it is.
What's wrong with this one? A thread about the SU seems like a fairly good place to tell you how crap they are imo.I say for one fair play to Paul Lynam, Pat de Brun, Colm Maguire, Lisa Henry, John Logue, James Williamson, Scottie Ahearne, and Jonny Cosgrove for making a huge personal and financial sacrifice to put themselves forward. It's better than a lot of others who stand sniping at the sidelines would do.
Fair play to them for attempting to get an extra year in college, a lot of money, untold amount of first year tail, many subsidised piss-ups and nights out, and having to do fuck all good for it? You're right actually fair play to them, that's sounds like a pretty sweet deal.
Except that I'm paying for that, so no, no its not better than lambasting them for wasting my money.0 -
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Unfortunately it is only within the last year that I have really discovered how much of an outrageous sham the SU really is. I am now in my final year and don't have the time to embark on any such campaign. I wish I could.
Same Same. By the time you figure out what a waste of time and money it is your leaving UCD anyway and dont really care anymore.
If they replace the voters every year the voters will never get wise
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