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Young/New Players to watch in 2010
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Luckycharm wrote: »He would be good tag player or in NFL on offence where they didn't have to make any tackles!! We could not afford to have 2 turnstyles on the team when ROG was playing as well - completely overhyped never really came back from his broken leg and very often got found out by the TOP teams internationally esp France
who targeted him
Johney Murphy has definetly come on and did very well in the Churchill cup - very solid will not let you down. I think he might get dropped by Tigers when their big samoan comes back to his full fitness and Tiquri doing so well on the other wing.
I didn't say Geordan Murphy was world class. I said he'd start for most teams and a lot of countries.
He'd struggle to make it for Ireland, England, France, Wales or a 3N team. He'd have a good chance of making most other teams.
As for his tackling, it's never been great, but not quite as bad as people make out.0 -
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anonymous_joe wrote: »I didn't say Geordan Murphy was world class. I said he'd start for most teams and a lot of countries.
He'd struggle to make it for Ireland, England, France, Wales or a 3N team. He'd have a good chance of making most other teams.
As for his tackling, it's never been great, but not quite as bad as people make out.
You have basically ruled out every major rugby team bar scotland and Italy- he would not start in front of Hernandez or Corletto for Argentina either. Patterson and him would be similar in defence- murphy better attacker/patterson world class kicker. Bar ROG he is one of the worst tackling players I have seen play for Ireland. I still have nightmares about that first half away to france where he was basically involved in nearly all their tries
Not to mention his tendancy to throw passes without looking that get intercepted.
Tuilagi is only coming back from injury and is not fully fit when he is we will see - hopefully J murphy will keep his place.0 -
Luckycharm wrote: »You have basically ruled out every major rugby team bar scotland and Italy- he would not start in front of Hernandez or Corletto for Argentina either. Patterson and him would be similar in defence- murphy better attacker/patterson world class kicker. Bar ROG he is one of the worst tackling players I have seen play for Ireland. I still have nightmares about that first half away to france where he was basically involved in nearly all their tries Not to mention his tendancy to throw passes without looking that get intercepted.
Get your facts right, Corleto has retired from rugby.0 -
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Luckycharm wrote: »You have basically ruled out every major rugby team bar scotland and Italy- he would not start in front of Hernandez or Corletto for Argentina either. Patterson and him would be similar in defence- murphy better attacker/patterson world class kicker. Bar ROG he is one of the worst tackling players I have seen play for Ireland. I still have nightmares about that first half away to france where he was basically involved in nearly all their tries Not to mention his tendancy to throw passes without looking that get intercepted.
Tuilagi is only coming back from injury and is not fully fit when he is we will see - hopefully J murphy will keep his place.
Murphy would definitely start for Scotland (put Paterson on the wing), Italy, Samoa, Fiji, etc. He'd be at the same level as Armitage or Foden for England. Wales have Lee Byrne whose better than him. That's it. New Zealand actually have fcuk all full backs of any calibre other than Muliaina, whose probably the best in the world atm. Australia would be ok... Adam Ashley-Cooper or Geordan Murphy though? That's a debate. South Africa don't need him, and we don't, but he'd make almost any of the top teams squads. And could start for quite a few.
He's actually on my list of 'people to watch' alongside the likes of Shaggy, Trimble, Neil Best and Bob Casey. Very good players, of international class, who've not been playing for Ireland lately the lot of them, but that's not to mean they're incapable of it.0 -
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Size=everything wrote: »http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055451796&highlight=preferred+irish
lol just whilst quoting that thread.....thomand2006s squad..
15 Rob Kearney
14 Tommy Bowe ...been fantastic for Ospreys
13 Keith Earls .... plays best at OC
12 BOD
11 Ian Dowling ......deserves a chance at highest level
10 ROG
9 Tomas O' Leary
1 Horan
2 Flannery
3 Hayes
4 O' Callaghan
5 POC - Captain
6 Denis Leamy ......hopefully will be fit
7 Niall Ronan
8 David Wallace ........Number 8 is his best position
Bench
16 Tony Buckley ....no other prop getting meaningful game time
17 Rory Best
18 Donnacha Ryan / Bob Casey
19 Stephen Ferris
20 Peter Stringer
21 Ian Humphreys .....very good for Ulster
22 Geordan Murpy
I wouldn't take my post seriously there, I was an eejit back then.Awaiting cries of "You still are mate".
The reactions were priceless.0 -
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Judgement Day wrote: »And a few more since Thomond started and I was already thinking along similar lines..
IRELAND
Paul O'Connell & the Bull - to keep Munster's HC chances alive.
ROG (to continue his comeback and alternate in the big games with JS)
BOD (to make sure that he is kept in cotton wool for the 2011 World Cup.)
KEITH EARLS - to get me that hat-trick I keep having a punt on and to nail down his Ireland team place and in the squad for the World Cup.
ENGLAND
Jonny Wilkinson (will be 32 at the next World Cup) - treat same as for BOD - although should he really come good it might upset my World Cup plans for Ireland. On second thoughts Ireland v England in the final would be acceptable.
ALL BLACKS
Dan Carter - failing my Ireland v England World Cup scenario to kick the All Blacks to victory in the final preferably against the 'mighty' Boks.
Jonah Lomu - (will be 36 at the next World Cup) to make a comeback for NZ.
AUSTRALIA
James O'Connor (19) the coming man in Southern Hemisphere rugby - inside centre, full back - another legend in the making.
Report of todays' England vs Australian Barbarians match from Scrum.com here: http://www.scrum.com/englandtour2010/rugby/story/117053.html
An unimpressive England escaped with a 28-28 draw from their opening tour match against the Australian Barbarians after staging a late comeback.
Teenage fullback James O'Connor raced in for a hat-trick of tries and scored all the points as Australia's second string opened a 25-13 lead. England lost their way after a promising start and had O'Connor not been replaced early - having done everything possible to win the Wallaby No.15 jersey for Saturday's Test - then the outcome could have been very different.
Dan Ward-Smith and Matt Banahan followed up Lee Mears' first-half try and 13 points from Olly Barkley edged England back into the lead with six minutes remaining. Even then, England appeared to do everything possible to throw away the victory and their rugby towards the end drew hoots of derision from the 10,000-strong Perth crowd.
Berrick Barnes drew the scores level with a penalty immediately after Banahan's try and the fly-half could have clinched victory for the Barbarians had his long-range effort with the last kick of the game not dropped wide. While O'Connor played his way into contention for the first Test at Subiaco Oval, there was little for England manager Martin Johnson to smile about.
The England manager had told his players that the fight for World Cup places started in Perth today but he received very little response. Uncapped duo Ward-Smith and Hendre Fourie both produced impressive senior debuts and wing Banahan had his moments but England were muddled and disjointed in attack.
Once again, too many forwards cluttered up the back line and that stunted the momentum that Charlie Hodgson and Barkley had given England in the opening 15 minutes. Barkley took on the kicking duties and he pushed England into a 6-0 lead on the back of some solid defence, which earned five early turnovers, and lively counter-attacking.
The Barbarians began to tick and England were saved when Nick Cummins, on the overlap, dropped a simple pass from O'Connor - but it was a warning sign. Fourie produced a brilliant try-saving tackle after another jinking run from Barnes but it was finger in the dam stuff and eventually the Barbarians breached England's whitewash.
After a powerful run from hooker Hiua Edmunds, the ball was spread right and O'Connor managed to hold off Barkley and Ugo Monye to score. England's attack was stuttering. When Hodgson fired a brave, flat pass out wide it was the kind of opportunity that Delon Armitage would have relished - only it was loose-head David Flatman who was there to rumble forward.
The Barbarians continued to cause trouble on the outside before O'Connor spotted a mismatch in England's defensive line and sliced past Flatman and Mears to score his second try. Barkley missed a simple penalty but England soon worked a reply, with Mears burrowing over from short-range after some good build-up work.
England had failed to get their lineout drive moving but Mathew Tait's slippery run broke the Barbarians line and Mears drove over from short-range. Armitage had spoken before the game of his desperation to rediscover the attacking zest which had made him such a dangerous proposition during his first international season.
But a dreadful decision to run across field and then pass to Monye inside his own 22 just invited more pressure from the Barbarians and O'Connor extended their lead with a second penalty just before the interval.
England sent on Joe Worsley at half-time in place of Fourie, who appeared to suffer a knee injury. It took Australia three minutes to resume normal service. Josh Valentine attacked left where the Barbarians had a two-man overlap and the scrum-half dabbed a delightful kick in behind Banahan for O'Connor to score. The Western Force 19-year-old, playing on his home ground, landed the touchline conversion and was then replaced - presumably with Saturday's first Test in mind.
Barkley slotted a second penalty as England began to forge a comeback. The England pack produced a series of powerful scrums five metres from the Barbarians' line. Referee Stuart Dickinson yellow-carded the tight-head prop Laurie Weeks and although he did not award England a penalty try, Ward-Smith was able to charge over from close-range.
Shane Geraghty was sent on to bring some spark back to England's attacking game and his bold pass over the top then sent Geoff Parling away on a charging run. Geraghty then spread the ball wide right and Dominick Waldouck sent Banahan over in the corner.
England conceded a penalty immediately from the restart as Barnes drew the scores level and then continued to implode in some farcical scenes. Barnes was given a chance to win the game with the last kick of the match but his long-range effort dropped wide - much to England's relief.0 -
2 out of three aint bad
handsomecake wrote: »aaron cruden -wellington hurricanes.battled through testicular cancer to captain the under 20 all blacks.they won the tournament and he has been playing smashing stuff for manawatu.
israel dagg- otago highlanders .exciting fullback
returning star -richard kahui -missed whole allblack season with shoulder surgery but is an exceptional player.0 -
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