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Could "aliens" be visitors from the future??
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Exactly. We know of only one planet where life kicked off. Just one. Earth. Now life did start pretty early on so you could argue that it would kick off early elsewhere. OK but one problem as I see it and Ive not seen this as an argument elsewhere. Life started here, but just the once it seems. Every single life form on this planet. The countless billions so far studied, from us to extremohile bacteria are the same kind of life, based on the same dna/rna. So if life can start so easily one would expect we would have more kinds of life. Aliens on earth as it were. Like I compared it on a nother thread, its as if you walked into a kitchen with loads of ingredients and the perfect oven yet only found one recipe. The day we discover a life form with a radically different makeup on this goldilocks planet, then I may believe life may be everywhere out there.What do you base these figures on?
As it stands, we may posit that in the vastness of the universe its bound to have happened, but its nearly equally as possible that it only happened the once and it happened here. Even if it happened elswhere, it may have been wiped out, it may never have evolved beyond goo(which is the most adaptable and "perfect" life in earth). Without our (very) large moon, whose formation changed a lot of the minerology of this planet and that caused huge tidal forces early on that may have kick started life, without jupiter and saturn hoovering up the big rocks that would otherwise hit us, without plate tectonics which no other body so far found has, without vulcanism that was constant but not too constant, etc. The list is very very long. So I suspect the odds are long on life elsewhere too.
Then we have the deafening silence when we look up and out. Now you could argue mystics and yokels in the backwoods of arkansas are meeting and chatting with aliens, but it seems a serious bloody stretch. Forget radio waves which are a bit of dead end for a few reasons,we're seeing no other evidence. A civilisation that conquers the fundemental laws of physics and invents a few new ones would have so much control over their environment their presence should be more observed. Chances are they would have spread out, because by colonising just one more planet the chances of a civilisation surviving quadruples(and if we oursleves dont sooner or later were screwed). The progenitor world may not even be the one that thrives and spreads. The first man on the moon spoke english, not cos the english got to the moon, but cos the english established colonies that went to the moon(though maybe Im in the wrong place to use that particular example
:D). But we see no evidence of this colonisation when we look out. And we're late enough to come to the party. If the dinosaurs hadnt died out and a small one followed the ape trajectory beloved of sci fi writers and ct'rs we would be at least 50 million years advanced. If the permian exticntion hadnt happened we would be maybe 100 million years ahead. A civilisation like that could form and move stars, yet where are they?
TL;DR? We have evidence for life in just one place in the universe. Anything else is supposition. FUn though it may be.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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i watched a documentary a few nights ago that covered genetics and dna.
They proposed that the same life form that first started on this planet has all the genetic coding in them to create humans and more so they thought it was possible this same code could be scattered all over the universe waiting for the right enviornment to grow into a humanoid race.
Also they mention because there appears to be so much junk dna could mean it is for future evolution.
I dont remember offhand which documentary it was,but it was interesting to speculate
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i watched a documentary a few nights ago that covered genetics and dna.
They proposed that the same life form that first started on this planet has all the genetic coding in them to create humans and more so they thought it was possible this same code could be scattered all over the universe waiting for the right enviornment to grow into a humanoid race.
Also they mention because there appears to be so much junk dna could mean it is for future evolution.
I dont remember offhand which documentary it was,but it was interesting to speculate
Yes that is correct, OUR DNA is universal and depending on our enviroments our universal DNA will respond to that type of world to grow into the life forms it is coded by in the DNA.
On earth this is what happened, but because our universe, has seeded a long time ago, life is elsewhere, so our evolution would be sped up and many timelines and dimensions plays a part in our evolvement on earth. The human race here is the most universal of all alien types. With 12 strand DNA of the 12 distinct race groups. Our DNA has been tampered and some codes have been turned offf. But they are now opening up and repairing itself as we are now shifting with the earth and the new timeline.
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i watched a documentary a few nights ago that covered genetics and dna.
They proposed that the same life form that first started on this planet has all the genetic coding in them to create humans and more so they thought it was possible this same code could be scattered all over the universe waiting for the right enviornment to grow into a humanoid race.
Also they mention because there appears to be so much junk dna could mean it is for future evolution.
I dont remember offhand which documentary it was,but it was interesting to speculate
I am afraid it's not correct. We don't have the RNA of the first self-replicating life-form. However, every life-form on this planet contains their code, meaning we can all be traced back through the tree of life. So perhaps you got it the wrong way around?0 -
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Eh hardly. Dunno what kinda school you went to, but I was schooled in a very catholic rugger bugger place that gave me an appreciation of many subjects, conjecture on alien life not being one of them.mysterious wrote: »OMG. I can't believe I'm reading this still in 2010. Do you realise your just repeating a doctrine that you learnt in school, religion and other forms of beleif patterns we are told growing up.
Actually thats more your arrogance than mine. OK I would say that the only concrete evidence we have for life is on this planet. Channeling mungo from the planet zarg while personally has resonance, unless we can all see mungoor evidence of him then it has little global value. Not least to mungo.Speak for yourself and not this "we" business. Thanks. You should say "you know that earth is the only place in this universe that kick stated life" That is your belief and that is fine. But don't assume "we all" think that.
Ahh the old panspermia notion. Yep it has some advocates among some scientists too. Possible, but there are many many issues agin it. too long for even me to get into. I would believe a tweaked version of it. That the building blocks of the first earthly life came in from outside and not just in the initial bombardment phase. Dont get me wrong. It would be a bloody lovely idea that I would personally embrace. The notion that dna/rna is a universal language that migrates like a wonderful cloud all over the universe and seeds new places, like volcanic newly formed islands become green so quickly. It does defo appeal. It would also explain why life here is of just one type. The problem is sooner or later you have to go back to the source. The first planet where life started. How did it get started there? And if it did get started there, why not independently anywhere?I personally see your statement as really closed sighted, simply because life has to "get here" in order to form here. It's really daft to imagine life started only on earth. Are you taking this piss here, because I feel this is coming across as a joke to me? Forgive me wondering but I would like to know how your coming up with life beginning on earth?
Again I would love if this turns out to be true. COuple of issues though. the environments would still have to be within a very narrow band. Narrow enough for extremophile bacteria, madly narrow for more complex life. DNA is quite delicate.Yes that is correct, OUR DNA is universal and depending on our enviroments our universal DNA will respond to that type of world to grow into the life forms it is coded by in the DNA.
In the entirity of the universe thats a bit egotistical is it not?On earth this is what happened, but because our universe, has seeded a long time ago, life is elsewhere, so our evolution would be sped up and many timelines and dimensions plays a part in our evolvement on earth. The human race here is the most universal of all alien types.
What 12 strands? What 12 distinct race groups? Its not borne out by reality and ironically not in the DNA of humanity.With 12 strand DNA of the 12 distinct race groups.
Whcih ones? Which protiens are the coding for, which larger scale structures or behaviours are being affected? Thems biiig claims.Our DNA has been tampered and some codes have been turned offf. But they are now opening up and repairing itself as we are now shifting with the earth and the new timeline.
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Brain fart basically. Memory lay down overlayed with existing pattern matching which were very good at. Look at how many see god/allah/buddha in their cornflakes. Pattern is recognised and a none existent conclusion is reached.Your totally entitled to your opinion, but how can you explain deja vous?
That bit I would agree with. If one could stand outside all information that ever was, is and will be would be observable.All timelines, present, past and future exist in all other dimensions co existing along side each other.
Welllll it had a start, which is a limit. It may end in heat death and it has an edge of sorts. So there are limits.The universe is beyond limits.
Or the only way an observer within time can measure it.Time is really only a illusion created by us.
Oh no I agree. The odds seem in favour of life. It seems logical to assume it exists elsewhere. I mean in the sense that we can only know it's here. I also agree that we can only see so far, but we can see quite a but of our backyard, the milky way. You would think we would spot a highly advanced civilisation. Even if we reckon that they have a finite lifespan of say a million years at te top of their game. So one they may be long gone. If it had moved outwards you would think some sort of evidence would be seen by now? Even so I would contend if the originals were gone, their "machine" descendants should be still out there. Then again the vastness is so vast that maybe they did pass by here when fish were first crawling out of water. It may be statistically very long odds that one intelligent lif form would be around long enough to see another?I agree with pretty much everything you said, except where you say we should see the evidence that there is life out there. Why would we? I mean in the unbelievable vastness of the universe we can see, surely even seeing evidence of life is seriously slim. Some galaxy's, with billions of stars in them, turn up as a mere few pixels on our most powerful telescope. Who's to say on one or two of those billions of stars theres not a few microbes of life. I'd say life elsewhere in the universe is close to a certainty. Intelligent life? not so sure. Also, I'd imagine that we couldn't even conceive what life would be like. Because it probably wouldn't be DNA based. It mightn't even be carbon based.
Maybe. I dunno. If you look at life on earth over the eons you can see some patterns in response to environments. So majorly unrelated species come up with the same solutions to the same problems. Fish look like sharks who look like ichthyosaurs who look like dolphins.Incidentally, thats why I don't buy into this reptoid nonsense thats occasionally talked about here. I mean what are the chances that a race, that is bipedal with two arms, with a brain, nose, two eyes, and ears all on its head, that basically looks like a human/iguana hybrid evolving on a different star system. Surely they would be far more fantastical than that.
So as we're the example of smart animals who use technology, its possible that this shape of ours is a good compromise, much like the previous shape is good for high speed swimming about in water eating stuff. Chances are an intelligent life form would evolve from social animals that are also predators(meat is the highest value calorie wise for big brains). This would suggest two eyes in the front of the head which also helps with making things. Limb wise, it makes sense to have at least one free limb to build things. Tools and the like. It also helps to have a rigid skeleton as a floppy body needs a bigger brain to work it and is limited to water or a much denser atmosphere(octopuses are very smart. Mostly cos they have to keep track of that floppy body) That's helped by an opposable thumb or thumbs. So likely they would have evolved from say a 6 legged animal that became 4 legged leaving two for tool use. They would most likely be social animals. Social animals are more intelligent. they have to be. Chances are they would be creative. Creativity fosters progress. So IMHO a bipedal "lizard"wouldnt be that far off, unless we are very unusual intelligent creatures in a possibly life filled universe.
Yep. PLus other problems too. Lets say you flew to another world, one were life started but was subtly different. Elements there that are fine to the locals may kill you. Oxygen we cant get enough of but many bacteria die if exposed to it. As an oxidant its a poison anyway. The type of metals could be an issue. Mercury is highly toxic to us but could be like iron to an alien, no bother at all. If they came from a dark world with a thicker van allen belt, two minutes on a beach could kill them stone dead. SO yea +1000 mating with an alien would be a bit of a stretch. If they were evolved dinosaurs they wouldnt even have willys etc. It would like mating with an emu. Work away. theres no doubt a club on the webActually the craziest part of that theory is that most people who belive in the reptiles think they mated with us?? Seriously aliens mating. As Carl Sagan said, humans would have a better chance mating with a petunia here on earth than an alien.
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That bit I agree with. Our perception of time varies a lot. A summer as a child seemed like forever, a year was a lifetime. Same amount of seconds. I see this with mates. Fpr some reason time has always gone slow for me. I never grew out of the child thing. My mates tell me Im lucky. Im not so sure : it makes me feel very very old :eek::) The perception of time defo varies. In my youth I had some shamanic experiences with actual shamans too, not from necking happy smarties in ibizamysterious wrote: »Whenever you dream about something and seemed like days or hours long, and may feel like that amount of time. But it would probably been just a half a second like a snapshot. and a second can feel like a subjective eternity. Ive watched the second hand on my watch stop. So yes I do agree with mysterious on this point. You can learn to slow it down too. Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Eh hardly. Dunno what kinda school you went to, but I was schooled in a very catholic rugger bugger place that gave me an appreciation of many subjects, conjecture on alien life not being one of them.
School?:rolleyes:
You didn't learn, We didn't learn, you were told, taught and followed a system of beliefs, some truths, half lies and propaganda. The basic communication skills such as reading, social skills, maths were all that was needed as far as I'm concerned after that you should use your brain. Our history books are full of complete shiit. For every truth in those books there is some twisted story to it to make everything corny and dumbed down.
Real knowledge is going out in the world and finding out how the world goes is real learning.
Even Einstein said this.Actually thats more your arrogance than mine. OK I would say that the only concrete evidence we have for life is on this planet. Channeling mungo from the planet zarg while personally has resonance, unless we can all see mungoor evidence of him then it has little global value. Not least to mungo.
Ahh the old panspermia notion. Yep it has some advocates among some scientists too. Possible, but there are many many issues agin it. too long for even me to get into. I would believe a tweaked version of it. That the building blocks of the first earthly life came in from outside and not just in the initial bombardment phase. Dont get me wrong. It would be a bloody lovely idea that I would personally embrace. The notion that dna/rna is a universal language that migrates like a wonderful cloud all over the universe and seeds new places, like volcanic newly formed islands become green so quickly. It does defo appeal. It would also explain why life here is of just one type. The problem is sooner or later you have to go back to the source. The first planet where life started. How did it get started there? And if it did get started there, why not independently anywhere?
I stopped reading this, when I saw the word concrete evidence, You do think in linear dense thinking, that everything has to be physical and explained down to a T and everything has to be shown to you in such a way the truth is screaming at you. Thats what concrete proof means. Nothing stays the same, nothing remains indefinite, nothing is actually really solid either. Most of this universe of which you dont see is actually non physical, we just see the physical universe but thats not all there is. In other words physical concrete stuff is bloody daft when delving into these subjects.
The person who calls another person arrogant, is normally arrogant themselves. So yeah. Could we stick to the topic rather than name calling...
You don't know me.
said who?Again I would love if this turns out to be true. COuple of issues though. the environments would still have to be within a very narrow band. Narrow enough for extremophile bacteria, madly narrow for more complex life. DNA is quite delicate.In the entirity of the universe thats a bit egotistical is it not? What 12 strands? What 12 distinct race groups? Its not borne out by reality and ironically not in the DNA of humanity. Whcih ones? Which protiens are the coding for, which larger scale structures or behaviours are being affected? Thems biiig claims.
Going to be some ride
The chromosomes on our genome had been sliced that last two 47th and 48th. We are meant to be able to see the universe holographically and not just phyiscally. We are supposed to be able to move through dimensions and break the barriers if time and distance. We are like blind people telling people who see where to go, we don't see everything, thats the bit you have to understand, until you do realise this then we can move forward and find ways to re learn, re connect and re member who we are.
Science will never answer the deepest questions that have been asked time and time again.
The 12 races are other highly advianced universal humanoids that exist independantly to all the others in this universe.
There is tonnes of evidence:D Your just not looking around enough or something, your depending on subjects that keep humanity dumbed down and doclile to a line of thinking that it's always probable, questionable, maybes, ifs', buts and what it seems. Rather than just seeing the truth for what it is. People spend to much time figure nuicances in the lab instead of going out in the real world and connecting the dots that are already there.Oh no I agree. The odds seem in favour of life. It seems logical to assume it exists elsewhere. I mean in the sense that we can only know it's here. I also agree that we can only see so far, but we can see quite a but of our
backyard, the milky way. You would think we would spot a highly advanced civilisation. Even if we reckon that they have a finite lifespan of say a million years at te top of their game. So one they may be long gone. If it had moved outwards you would think some sort of evidence would be seen by now? Even so I would contend if the originals were gone, their "machine" descendants should be still out there. Then again the vastness is so vast that maybe they did pass by here when fish were first crawling out of water. It may be statistically very long odds that one intelligent lif form would be around long enough to see another?
Life exist elsewhere, There is life in this solar system. There was intelligent life and flowing water on Mars. There is water, ice, atmospheres and life on the moons of jupiter and Saturn. Life can exist ANYWHERE in the universe. We are fed to much nonsense from NASA of Goldilocks zone for life, or life can only exist in earth type worlds or that life has have light on the surface, or that it has to relate to earth. It doesn't. Life is like light, its everywhere.
The truth is in front of us, but we continue to enslave ourselves, dumb our minds keep ourselves Dependant on these corrupts institution that keeps us trapped. Most adults I know still act like children when it comes to these subjects simply because subconsciously they behave like they did when they started school. They expect someone in authority to validate or proof something that already exists. We as Adults go about our daily lives stuck in this matrix and expect someone to tell us what the reality is. Instead of just figuring it out ourselves. The idea of proof again, is just another form of wanting something outside of yourself to show you what is in front of you, but you need some form of validation to say yeah man this is true. Adults shouldn't be doing this, we should be all trusting ourselves and our inner knowing and gifts that we are all born with that we continue to abuse and not use.Maybe. I dunno. If you look at life on earth over the eons you can see some patterns in response to environments. So majorly unrelated species come up with the same solutions to the same problems. Fish look like sharks who look like ichthyosaurs who look like dolphins.
Dolphins don't come from here..So as we're the example of smart animals who use technology, its possible that this shape of ours is a good compromise, much like the previous shape is good for high speed swimming about in water eating stuff. Chances are an intelligent life form would evolve from social animals that are also predators(meat is the highest value calorie wise for big brains). This would suggest two eyes in the front of the head which also helps with making things. Limb wise, it makes sense to have at least one free limb to build things. Tools and the like. It also helps to have a rigid skeleton as a floppy body needs a bigger brain to work it and is limited to water or a much denser atmosphere(octopuses are very smart. Mostly cos they have to keep track of that floppy body) That's helped by an opposable thumb or thumbs. So likely they would have evolved from say a 6 legged animal that became 4 legged leaving two for tool use. They would most likely be social animals. Social animals are more intelligent. they have to be. Chances are they would be creative. Creativity fosters progress. So IMHO a bipedal "lizard"wouldnt be that far off, unless we are very unusual intelligent creatures in a possibly life filled universe.
I dissagree
If humanity were smart we wouldn't need to use technology. And your only telling me "believes" stuff you learnt or read from science, teachers, institutions and other forms of coporations that keep us from the truth. Knowledge is power and humanity has still a lot to learn about ourselves. We are way behind in evolvment than we should be. Infact most of humanity are devolving. Those who are aware and remove the beliefs patterns made by society are the ones who will be able to survive this transition and expand their consciousness to levels far beyond this society
Our human evolution was tampered with and sped up we didn't just grew a football sized brain overnight. If that were the case, then surely after 240million years of dinosaurs surely one dinosaur could of evolved to walk upright and have a brain. In other words what we are been taught and what is reality are totally different. We didn't just evovle into what we are. There were humanoids evolved on this planet long before we were here. Thats why we are different to other races and have bigger brains on this planet now, we are not from here, we are decendant from other intellegent life forms who came here. We have alien DNA, I even showed this to a palentologist here on this forum. Probably the best thing he learnt from all that brainwashing people endure in paleontology stuff in college..Yep. PLus other problems too. Lets say you flew to another world, one were life started but was subtly different. Elements there that are fine to the locals may kill you. Oxygen we cant get enough of but many bacteria die if exposed to it. As an oxidant its a poison anyway. The type of metals could be an issue. Mercury is highly toxic to us but could be like iron to an alien, no bother at all. If they came from a dark world with a thicker van allen belt, two minutes on a beach could kill them stone dead. SO yea +1000 mating with an alien would be a bit of a stretch. If they were evolved dinosaurs they wouldnt even have willys etc. It would like mating with an emu. Work away. theres no doubt a club on the web
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mysterious wrote: »Okay
Ireland is here.
America is over there,
which should exist? Which should have life?
Who decides? This kind of thinking, makes me laugh:D It's actually dumb to me. Its like saying the sun is made of cornflakes and the other suns out there is made of rise krispies.
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Nope. Therapods. Famous ones like Velociraptor and TRex. They're well documented and were among the most successful species at the time.fontanalis wrote: »But surely upright dinosaurs are reptilians?
Not a piss take mods.
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Nope. Therapods. Famous ones like Velociraptor and TRex. They're well documented and were among the most successful species at the time.
They're still alive at the moment, only they're much smaller and spend their time living in nests and flying through the air
Check the locked thread for the type of reptilians I meant
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Do they still subtly shift their shape over the course of millions of years? No wonder I didn't notice anything in the video.0 -
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To quote yourself, you dont know me or what Ive learned or havent learned.mysterious wrote: »School?:rolleyes:
You didn't learn,
Ok but...We didn't learn, you were told, taught and followed a system of beliefs, some truths, half lies and propaganda. The basic communication skills such as reading, social skills, maths were all that was needed as far as I'm concerned after that you should use your brain.
So what books were you reading at 10 then?Our history books are full of complete shiit. For every truth in those books there is some twisted story to it to make everything corny and dumbed down.
Link please. Because Einstein didnt spring from nowhere. He was reading and absorbing the self same books of truths, half lies and propaganda. Like Newton said before him,he was standing on the shoulders of giants.Real knowledge is going out in the world and finding out how the world goes is real learning.
Even Einstein said this.
Oh right so Im dense now?I stopped reading this, when I saw the word concrete evidence, You do think in linear dense thinking, ah well.
Actually it doesnt. If someone shows a process, any process where a result can be found and is repeatable then that's proof that that process has validity. When I questioned you before on this you avoided the question. Rinse and repeat it seems.that everything has to be physical and explained down to a T and everything has to be shown to you in such a way the truth is screaming at you. Thats what concrete proof means.
Agreed.Nothing stays the same, nothing remains indefinite, nothing is actually really solid either.
If there isnt any logical structure(and I dont mean "logic" in the narrow sense so dont get caught up in that) then anything you glean from such a layer of non reality would be at best completely subjective and meaningless. And if its completely subjective then while it may be fun for the subject it has no and can have no resonance with others.Most of this universe of which you dont see is actually non physical, we just see the physical universe but thats not all there is. In other words physical concrete stuff is bloody daft when delving into these subjects.
Well Im apparently dense so far, oh and silly later on, so there's a lot of dark hued kettles being introduced to equally dark hued pots around here.The person who calls another person arrogant, is normally arrogant themselves. So yeah. Could we stick to the topic rather than name calling...
I know you by your works. In this case thats all I have to go on.You don't know me.
I was about to say ask any genetics chap or chappess, but I forgot that's recieved science. OK do what you suggest others do. Go out and extract DNA and subject it to different environments. Boil it to 200 degrees. Expose it to heavy dose x rays. Stick it in a pressure cooker filled with superheated gaseous methane like on Venus. Expose it to a vacuum. Observe what happens.said who?
Yes but what proteins are those genes coding for? What changes would happen? For example our closest relatives the Chimpanzee has 48 chromosomes, are you saying they're more connected, less blind? Cos if you are you need to read up on how chimps society is even more vicious and random than ours.The chromosomes on our genome had been sliced that last two 47th and 48th.
Are you or others able to do this? If so how, if they and you dont have the extra chromosomes?We are meant to be able to see the universe holographically and not just phyiscally. We are supposed to be able to move through dimensions and break the barriers if time and distance. We are like blind people telling people who see where to go, we don't see everything, thats the bit you have to understand, until you do realise this then we can move forward and find ways to re learn, re connect and re member who we are.
Actually now you're being linear. It depends completely on your definition of science. Its not "everything that doesnt agree with me". For me science is just a description of how to understand stuff. If that may take another route than the test tube then Ive no issue with that.Science will never answer the deepest questions that have been asked time and time again.
Right well since I dont believe in this I cant really comment on it.The 12 races are other highly advianced universal humanoids that exist independantly to all the others in this universe.
Then show us how. You keep telling us "youre not getting it" so tell us how to "get it".There is tonnes of evidence:D Your just not looking around enough or something, your depending on subjects that keep humanity dumbed down and doclile to a line of thinking that it's always probable, questionable, maybes, ifs', buts and what it seems. Rather than just seeing the truth for what it is. People spend to much time figure nuicances in the lab instead of going out in the real world and connecting the dots that are already there.
Actually NASA and others probes are the reason the left fielders are telling us there is life everywhere. Find me a book from any "free thinker" before we fired those probes off that mentions the oceans of Europa and I'll be more open minded. Go back 60 years and the same free thinkers were going on about venus being like earth. Before that it was drought ridden martians building canals. Those tunes changed.Life exist elsewhere, There is life in this solar system. There was intelligent life and flowing water on Mars. There is water, ice, atmospheres and life on the moons of jupiter and Saturn. Life can exist ANYWHERE in the universe. We are fed to much nonsense from NASA of Goldilocks zone for life, or life can only exist in earth type worlds or that life has have light on the surface, or that it has to relate to earth. It doesn't. Life is like light, its everywhere.
Again inform us how. Or point us to where we can find out how for ourselves. Otherwise this is all empty rhetoric.The idea of proof again, is just another form of wanting something outside of yourself to show you what is in front of you, but you need some form of validation to say yeah man this is true. Adults shouldn't be doing this, we should be all trusting ourselves and our inner knowing and gifts that we are all born with that we continue to abuse and not use.
.........Dolphins don't come from here..
Sounds like the seekers of the 60's stuff rejigged for the web generation. Easy answers for hard questions.If humanity were smart we wouldn't need to use technology. And your only telling me "believes" stuff you learnt or read from science, teachers, institutions and other forms of coporations that keep us from the truth. Knowledge is power and humanity has still a lot to learn about ourselves. We are way behind in evolvment than we should be. Infact most of humanity are devolving. Those who are aware and remove the beliefs patterns made by society are the ones who will be able to survive this transition and expand their consciousness to levels far beyond this society
As Seamus pointed out we had plenty of time to grow big brains and your contention that not one dinosaur walked upright is a bit off. Of all the animal groups on this planet that have existed the dinosaurs were the most bipedal. Which as an aside would suggest to me at least that bipedal locomotion is not that big a deal in our own evolution, but just a handy extra(plus we were bipedal long before we got brains).Our human evolution was tampered with and sped up we didn't just grew a football sized brain overnight. If that were the case, then surely after 240million years of dinosaurs surely one dinosaur could of evolved to walk upright and have a brain.
Could you show that again? We do have interesting features compared to other great apes. Funny enough two less chromosomes for a start. Our body hair is kinda backwards too. Look at a gorilla. Then look at a very hairy guy. His hair is thickest on his chest, not on his back like an ape.In other words what we are been taught and what is reality are totally different. We didn't just evovle into what we are. There were humanoids evolved on this planet long before we were here. Thats why we are different to other races and have bigger brains on this planet now, we are not from here, we are decendant from other intellegent life forms who came here. We have alien DNA, I even showed this to a palentologist here on this forum. Probably the best thing he learnt from all that brainwashing people endure in paleontology stuff in college..
Compared to early hominids we're defo the odd homo out too. If you got a time machine and gathered all our ancestors in one room for a party, they would all tend to look quite similar as a group but we would look like real weirdos. Not with brain size either. Neandertals often had bigger brains. Compared to the others we have flatter faces, we have chins, we have teeny tiny noses, no brow ridges to speak of, we're much less robust and we live for far longer than they did. Something is interesting there. Theres a lot of gaps in human evolution especially of sapiens.
My you can be aggressive by turns. It hardly helps your position. Show me where Im going wrong.Nature isn't stupid. So don't be making up silly assertions that are just a waste of energy to discuss.
With respect humanji if any poster brings their opinion to the table, then surely it is the very point of discussion that they will explain their reasoning and why they came to that reasoning? Obviously dont be a dick applies of course.humanji wrote:remember that the topic isn't what Mysterious believes and why he believes it.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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fontanalis wrote: »Check the locked thread for the type of reptilians I meant
So ted, the story is your not a racist;)0 -
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