Real Madrid want Wayne Rooney (Mod warrning @ post 24)

Ush1

The Muppet wrote: »

Thats why it won't happen. You must have been the only person on the planet shocked by the Ronaldo tranfer.

Yep, plus Spain is too hot for his freckly head.

Anything can happen in football including this.

Unlikely though.

super_furry

Vampireskiss wrote: »

Probably no truth in this what so ever but if it did happen I think I would end all my interest in the game

Why? It's not like he's a local lad that's come through the ranks and pledged his undying loyality to his boyhood club. He's a Scouser, the same kind of Scouser that United fans take delight in chanting about.

He's a professional footballer who made the move from his boyhood club, Everton, to a bigger club in search of bigger opportunities - both professionally and financially. If a bigger club comes along offering him a further step up, he'd be a fool not to jump at them.

Wayne Rooney has no emotional ties or loyalty to Mancester United and an the offer of a move to the world's biggest club would most likely be one he would take eagerly.

Liam O

super_furry wrote: »

Why? It's not like he's a local lad that's come through the ranks and pledged his undying loyality to his boyhood club. He's a Scouser, the same kind of Scouser that United fans take delight in chanting about.

He's a professional footballer who made the move from his boyhood club, Everton, to a bigger club in search of bigger opportunities - both professionally and financially. If a bigger club comes along offering him a further step up, he'd be a fool not to jump at them.

Wayne Rooney has no emotional ties or loyalty to Mancester United and an the offer of a move to the world's biggest club would most likely be one he would take eagerly.

Fairly sure if you are talkin about 'biggest' United are up there with them, and better for success on the field too.

Holsten

I wish him good luck if he goes...

See ya, Wazza!

NukaCola

Liam O wrote: »

Fairly sure if you are talkin about 'biggest' United are up there with them, and better for success on the field too.

Utd would be up there also but i think Real are the worlds biggest club......hate them though....

Ush1

Liam O wrote: »

Fairly sure if you are talkin about 'biggest' United are up there with them, and better for success on the field too.

9 European cups vs. 3?

projectmayhem

nullzero wrote: »

I think they're mental.

You're right however in saying that the deal for Ribery is more or less done at this stage, Bayern should have put him on the dole queue for the way he was going on in the summer. He's crazy to want to go to Madrid but obviously the "lure" is too much to resist:rolleyes:
Hopefully Rooney has enough sense to know that he's at a huge club where he has hero status and is usually one of the first names on the team sheet every week and lets Real know publicly that he's not interested.

Part of the lure is that Real do dodgy things to get players. To get Ribery, they've been sending Zidane over to Munich to meet with Ribery, become mates and use that to get Ribery back over to Spain, enjoy the sun and pamper him while he's away from his manager, agent & club. No doubt they did the same for Ronaldo as he seemed to have some sort of rose-tinted view of the club before going over.... which has no doubt since cleared away

redout

Ush1 wrote: »

9 European cups vs. 3?

The bulk of them (6) Madrid triumphs came between 45 and 55 years ago.

Different generation. Different era of football. There is no club capable in todays game who could win 6 in 10 years. The quality of the opposition is far to strong compared to back half a century ago. No team has ever even retained the champions league (closest has been United, Juve and Milan all reaching the next final)

Its like talking about Liverpool even though they havent won the league in 20 years! Your talking about reputations earned on past glory which is by no means a reflection of a clubs current standing in the game.

If you look at the past 20 years it reads:

Milan - 5
Barca - 3
Madrid - 3
United - 2

Biggest club in the world! In terms of their past history then yes. In recent years then certainly not. Since the last time Madrid won the Champions league they have won:

3 la liga

Compared to Uniteds

4 Premiership
1 FA Cup
2 League cup
1 Champions league
1 FIFA Club World cup

The only club who could challenge United in recent years would be Barcelona with:

3 la liga
1 Copa del Rey
2 Champions league
1 UEFA Super cup
1 FIFA Club World cup

Ush1

redout wrote: »

The bulk of them (6) Madrid triumphs came between 45 and 55 years ago.

Different generation. Different era of football. There is no club capable in todays game who could win 6 in 10 years. The quality of the opposition is far to strong compared to back half a century ago. No team has ever even retained the champions league (closest has been United, Juve and Milan all reaching the next final)

Its like talking about Liverpool even though they havent won the league in 20 years! Your talking about reputations earned on past glory which is by no means a reflection of a clubs current standing in the game.

If you look at the past 20 years it reads:

Milan - 5
Barca - 3
Madrid - 3
United - 2

Biggest club in the world! In terms of their past history then yes. In recent years then certainly not. Since the last time Madrid won the Champions league they have won:

3 la liga

Compared to Uniteds

4 Premiership
1 FA Cup
2 League cup
1 Champions league
1 FIFA Club World cup

The only club who could challenge United in recent years would be Barcelona with:

3 la liga
1 Copa del Rey
2 Champions league
1 UEFA Super cup
1 FIFA Club World cup

Well unfortunately it's history that makes a club. Which, whether or how, Madrid have more European titles, alot more.

Chelsea have done quite well in the last few years, one of the biggest clubs in history though?....

redout

Ush1 wrote: »

Well unfortunately it's history that makes a club. Which, whether or how, Madrid have more European titles, alot more.

Chelsea have done quite well in the last few years, one of the biggest clubs in history though?....

Until they actually win somethng outside of England then one couldnt really rate them with the aforementioned sides.

With all the money ploughed in to them (Chelsea) both Liverpool and United have won and reached more European finals since the cash influx.

Ush1

redout wrote: »

Until they actually win somethng outside of England then one couldnt really rate them with the aforementioned sides.

With all the money ploughed in to them (Chelsea) both Liverpool and United have won and reached more European finals since the cash influx.

And what have Liverpool won in the last few years? Not a whole lot. And Real Madrid have another 4 Euro cups in their locker!:)

Vampireskiss

super_furry wrote: »

Why? It's not like he's a local lad that's come through the ranks and pledged his undying loyality to his boyhood club. He's a Scouser, the same kind of Scouser that United fans take delight in chanting about.

He's a professional footballer who made the move from his boyhood club, Everton, to a bigger club in search of bigger opportunities - both professionally and financially. If a bigger club comes along offering him a further step up, he'd be a fool not to jump at them.

Wayne Rooney has no emotional ties or loyalty to Mancester United and an the offer of a move to the world's biggest club would most likely be one he would take eagerly.

What would be a bigger step up than 1 champions league and 3 epl medals in 3 years, just missed out on a second c league medal too, by your reckoning Torres would be a complete moran to stay with liverpool another season after this one

Ush1

Vampireskiss wrote: »

What would be a bigger step up than 1 champions league and 3 epl medals in 3 years, just missed out on a second c league medal too, by your reckoning Torres would be a complete moran to stay with liverpool another season after this one

Depends on the offer. Look at Cristiano ronaldo, he left.

Vampireskiss

projectmayhem wrote: »

Part of the lure is that Real do dodgy things to get players. To get Ribery, they've been sending Zidane over to Munich to meet with Ribery, become mates and use that to get Ribery back over to Spain, enjoy the sun and pamper him while he's away from his manager, agent & club. No doubt they did the same for Ronaldo as he seemed to have some sort of rose-tinted view of the club before going over.... which has no doubt since cleared away

what makes you say that

elius

So, Bigger went before, Keane Ronaldo, hughes, Beckham Cantona etc and guess what all replaced and many more titles won. My biggest fear is loosing Sir Alex himself!

astrofool

I'd really dismiss Real Madrid as anything other than a play thing for the country of Spain. Stealing players, including the early european cups on the way to "the decima", and being funded/bailed out by the spanish government as a sop to the people.

It's an embarrassment to the sport of football that they exist at all.

Idu

nullzero wrote: »

Madrid see all clubs as feeder clubs.
I don't think they've ever produced a world class player of their own, even Raul was poached from Athletico.

Thats rubbish. If Atletico closing their own youth academy counts as poaching then you'd be right but why let facts get in the way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atl%C3%A9tico_Madrid#The_Jes.C3.BAs_Gil_years

projectmayhem

Vampireskiss wrote: »

what makes you say that

He's gotten into trouble for doing ads for Nike (real being sponsored by Adidas) and called for the team to "get into shape" among other things. Plus, apparently, the fans hate him... though that's hardly a change from Man Utd.

x in the city

Madrid want Rooney

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Slash/ED

Liam O wrote: »

Fairly sure if you are talkin about 'biggest' United are up there with them, and better for success on the field too.

wtf?

I dunno what's funnier, the people claiming United wouldnt sell Rooney when they sold Ronaldo who's a far better player, or United fans who hate Real Madrid for building their success on using their spending power to pry talent away from smaller clubs or tapping up players. I mean seriously, they actually say this without a any sense of irony whatsoever.

Bandit12

Anyone who thinks United would'nt sell Rooney to Madrid need to wake up. United are in dire straights finance wise and have a track record of selling to Madrid their best players. Rooney left Everton (his childhood team) to win things and get paid well at United, why would'nt he do likewise for madrid.

Liam O

Bandit12 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks United would'nt sell Rooney to Madrid need to wake up. United are in dire straights finance wise and have a track record of selling to Madrid their best players. Rooney left Everton (his childhood team) to win things and get paid well at United, why would'nt he do likewise for madrid.

Right so by your reckoninng we'll be seeing Gerrard at Chelsea and Torres at City next season. Brilliant.

AFAIK Madrid haven't won much in the last few seasons, why the fúck would he move there to win things! He lives a short drive away from his family, plays for the biggest brand in football who have made it to the CL final 2 years running and won one of the biggest leagues in the world 3, yes 3 years in a row. These people coming on to this thread acting like United are small fry compared to Madrid read too many tabloids. I know that if I wanted to win the big tournaments the 2 clubs I would consider would be United and Barca. Ronaldo went to Madrid for personal status, not to win things. Ronaldo has a massive ego in case you haven't realised, something that as far as I can tell Rooney doesn't.

If you think United are in dire straights financial wise you clearly have more information than the rest of us with regards to accounts etc. Any chance we could see them? Until then I'll assume you are talking out of your arse.

Liam O

Slash/ED wrote: »

wtf?

I dunno what's funnier, the people claiming United wouldnt sell Rooney when they sold Ronaldo who's a far better player, or United fans who hate Real Madrid for building their success on using their spending power to pry talent away from smaller clubs or tapping up players. I mean seriously, they actually say this without a any sense of irony whatsoever.

come on, show us how United tapped up players. I'm sure there would be plenty of reputable links like when Chelsea did it to Ashley Cole and that Kakuta bloke. When did United ever take out loans against the club to go on a giant spending spree that involved buying arguably 2 of the top 5 players in world football? This is unprecedented and chances are nobody will ever do it again. It took €94m to get Ronaldo away from United. That is a vast amount of money for one player and a silly amount for Real to offer. United made an €80m odd profit on a player who wanted to leave.

Also Rooney>Ronaldo for United. I think your irony detecter is broken tbh.

cournioni

*imagines Roooneh! Roooneh! Rooneh! chants in a Spanish accent*

If United were offered £60m for Rooney (and it went to the transfer fund not to pay back debts), I would bite their hands off. Even £40m would do. Its not going to happen though.

Liam O

Liam O wrote: »

come on, show us how United tapped up players. I'm sure there would be plenty of reputable links like when Chelsea did it to Ashley Cole and that Kakuta bloke. When did United ever take out loans against the club to go on a giant spending spree that involved buying arguably 2 of the top 5 players in world football? This is unprecedented and chances are nobody will ever do it again. It took €94m to get Ronaldo away from United. That is a vast amount of money for one player and a silly amount for Real to offer. United made an €80m odd profit on a player who wanted to leave.

Also Rooney>Ronaldo for United. I think your irony detecter is broken tbh.

Please don't tell me you are naive enough to think that tapping up players/managers doesn't go on amongst clubs?

Liam O

rarnes1 wrote: »

Please don't tell me you are naive enough to think that tapping up players/managers doesn't go on amongst clubs?

Oh it does but that guy seems to think that United were the only team doing it. United tapped up Stam, have heard reports about Vidic but that's probably bull. Can't think of anything else off hand.

Liam O

Liam O wrote: »

Oh it does but that guy seems to think that United were the only team doing it. United tapped up Stam, have heard reports about Vidic but that's probably bull. Can't think of anything else off hand.

United definitely not the only team that were involved in tapping up.

Anyone who thinks that is blinkered.

ROCKMAN

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

*imagines Roooneh! Roooneh! Rooneh! chants in a Spanish accent*

If United were offered £60m for Rooney (and it went to the transfer fund not to pay back debts), I would bite their hands off. Even £40m would do. Its not going to happen though.

Really ,
Not for me, Sometimes yes very rare but sometimes a player is worth much more than €€€€€ to a club , And in the case of Rooney I think this is true ,For me he is the heart and soul of the club and has been for the last few seasons , Losing him would rip the heart out of the club and I think fergie and the owners know this . And for this reason I cannot see them letting him go.

PHB

There's no good footballing reason to sell Rooney. He's still extremely young and will want to stay at United for his career. There's about 10 years left. Are you telling me that he's worth less than 6 million a year to the club?

cournioni

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Really ,
Not for me, Sometimes yes very rare but sometimes a player is worth much more than €€€€€ to a club , And in the case of Rooney I think this is true ,For me he is the heart and soul of the club and has been for the last few seasons , Losing him would rip the heart out of the club and I think fergie and the owners know this . And for this reason I cannot see them letting him go.

While I think Rooney is a very very good player for us, I love his hunger and spirit on the pitch for United, however I think he really hasn't reached his potential for United. He really needs to start controlling games on a more consistant basis for United, until he does that he definately has his price.

cournioni

PHB wrote: »

There's no good footballing reason to sell Rooney. He's still extremely young and will want to stay at United for his career. There's about 10 years left. Are you telling me that he's worth less than 6 million a year to the club?

I'm not saying he is worth less than 6 million per year to the club, what I am saying is that we need a player than can control and change games on a consistant basis. Rooney doesn't do that, and with £60m United might just be able to get one or two players that between them can do that.

leninbenjamin

Rooney is more important to this United team than Ronaldo ever was. On one hand there are better finishers, and more creative players, but there's no one with his mentality, no one else willing to sacrifice his own game for the benefit of others and very few with his drive. He's the perfect player for a team who pride themselves on being able to grind out results, lose him and United lose that edge. I'd be very very reluctant to sell him, regardless of the size of the fee involved.

The Muppet

rarnes1 wrote: »

United definitely not the only team that were involved in tapping up.

Anyone who thinks that is blinkered.

United have never been found guilty of it. Liverpool (ziege) and Chelsea (Cole) are the only premiership teams that I am aware of that have been found guilty of tapping up players.

Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

The Muppet

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

I'm not saying he is worth less than 6 million per year to the club, what I am saying is that we need a player than can control and change games on a consistant basis. Rooney doesn't do that, and with £60m United might just be able to get one or two players that between them can do that.

I wouldn't sell Rooney for £80 Million, he is as irreplacable as Ronaldo.

iregk

Ah, once a red always a red!

super_furry

iregk wrote: »

Ah, once a red blue always a red! blue

Rooney's already proven that club loyalty won't stand in his way when it comes to a move to a bigger club, I think he'd jump at the chance if he got it.

iregk

You didn't get that at all did you super furry?

super_furry

It's early......I've been on shift. Em....no.

Bandit12

Liam O wrote: »

Right so by your reckoninng we'll be seeing Gerrard at Chelsea and Torres at City next season. Brilliant.

AFAIK Madrid haven't won much in the last few seasons, why the fúck would he move there to win things! He lives a short drive away from his family, plays for the biggest brand in football who have made it to the CL final 2 years running and won one of the biggest leagues in the world 3, yes 3 years in a row. These people coming on to this thread acting like United are small fry compared to Madrid read too many tabloids. I know that if I wanted to win the big tournaments the 2 clubs I would consider would be United and Barca. Ronaldo went to Madrid for personal status, not to win things. Ronaldo has a massive ego in case you haven't realised, something that as far as I can tell Rooney doesn't.

If you think United are in dire straights financial wise you clearly have more information than the rest of us with regards to accounts etc. Any chance we could see them? Until then I'll assume you are talking out of your arse.

Wow. Lowering yourself to insults and foul language...how childish.

Bandit12

super_furry wrote: »

Rooney's already proven that club loyalty won't stand in his way when it comes to a move to a bigger club, I think he'd jump at the chance if he got it.

Is the right answer.

Liam O

Bandit12 wrote: »

Wow. Lowering yourself to insults and foul language...how childish.

Is that some sort of code for 'I've got no response to that so I'll divert attention away?' It's more childish to moan if someone says a bad word. Clearly you have no legitimate response.

Ush1

Redzer7

Ush1 wrote: »

:pac: :pac:
No chance of him leaving though.

Peyton Manning

Ush1 wrote: »

That's terrifying

Mitch Connor

As i have said previously, the day United sell Rooney is the day it becomes clear to everyone that the club is completely screwed.

Bandit12

Liam O wrote: »

Is that some sort of code for 'I've got no response to that so I'll divert attention away?' It's more childish to moan if someone says a bad word. Clearly you have no legitimate response.

I have a response but won't be giving it to some one who uses language from the gutter.:)

CR 7

Ush1 wrote: »

:D:D

They both have a black hand and a white hand each. That happening is probably as likely as both of them playing together for Real.:pac:

PHB

I tell you one thing, from a love of football point of view, I loved, loved, watching Rooney and Ronaldo counter-attack together. It was at times, just utterly outstanding.

curry-muff

Ill bet anyone here €100 that Rooney doesn't move to Real.