since 2002 State has paid out €1bn to Traveller projects (mod warning post 207)

Welease

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Read it in one of the books myself that the Mc Carthy Dundon faction are a traveller clan. Dont think the rest are.



An Indo article from ages back was the 88% figure. Which, it seems, may have been incorrect. It was 95%

Welease has still failed to come up with this Garda report or acknowledge the post about it, which leads me to suspect he may be telling porkies as to its existance.

I missed the post whereby I was asked to provide such evidence..

Lol this place never fails to crack me up.. I am the only one here citing sources and providing information that can be backed up.. The vast majority of other posters here have not provided a single shred of evidence, not does anyone seem to care.. Yet, I am the one accused of telling porkies.. /golfclap

If you care to search for the "Commission for Itinerancy" you can choose from literally hundred of sites hosting information on the report...

If you want to order copies the ISBN: 9919001826 9919001826


The information (while old) is cited in Liberal Rule though non Liberel means: the attempted settlement of Irish travellers (1955 - 1975)
http://www.ucd.ie/gsi/pdf/38-2/travel.pdf
Of particular importance is the language used to discriminate against the travelling community.. It was those beliefs, and the statistical data from 2002 (along with the ERSI studies in 1985 etc) they led to the affermative actions programs in place since 2002.

You are of course encouraged to provide any information yourself to backup your claims..

Welease

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Re read that mate- of 4751 men of working age (i.e labour force capable) only 1200 were an employee or self employed. And Id imagine at least some of them were employed on work for welfare schemes.

Fine.. I never claimed otherwise..

The information is to counter the rediculous belief in here that travellers pay 0 tax.. I have proven at the time this funding in question started (2002), not all travellers were on welfare and a significant proportion of them were in paid employment.

Those making the 0 tax claim are welcome to provide their own statistical evidence.

Welease

the_syco wrote: »

2002. So? One thing I've learnt is stats from 8 years ago are pretty much useless. Thus I don't count them.

lol you are really sinking now...

You do realise this thread has '02 in the title and is about welfare schemes developed from 2002 to 2009.. So in fact, this information is extremely relevant as it forms the reason for why those scheme's actually exist.... Try to keep up.

Again, you are welcome to provide ANY information to backup the claims you make.. I note you still haven't provided a single one...

the_syco wrote: »

So, after the crash and everyone being laid off. If the census is anything to go by, under 2000 travellers would be those still working. 4000 or so would join the other 4000 or so unemployed.

Oh, and none of it says if any of them paid any tax.

No it doesn't.. All of their employers could be crooked and pocketing the tax... However, in all likelyhood the tax is being paid.. I have provided enough information to refute your idiotic claims, yet again you are making claims without providing a single data point.

How about put up or shut up?.. Come back with statistics to back up your ascertains or stop wasting everyone's time here..

the_syco wrote: »

Yes and no. The settled ones (houses, legal halting sites, etc), I have no problem with. The rest, yup, I have a problem with them getting any payment what so ever. Why? Because over the past 15 years every single traveller I've seen are scum.

<drivel>

How many have you seen and interacted with???? The are a small number of travellers in each county.. Have you met and interacted with them all personally?.. I bet given you hate them all so much, you have probably not interacted with more than a handful..

Again, provide some data to backup your claims or stop wasting everyones time.....

the_syco

Welease wrote: »

How many have you seen and interacted with???? The are a small number of travellers in each county.. Have you met and interacted with them all personally?.. I bet given you hate them all so much, you have probably not interacted with more than a handful..

There used to be a group of travellers called the Castletown Travellers. They were called that as they would often camp on the same spot of land each summer on or near the grounds of Castletown House. I last saw them about 15 years ago. They said they wouldn't come back since the traveller scum that were littering the Leixlip Spa were causing agro against them from the locals. When they did come, people could walk through their encampment without fear (they would be in a carpark that led to a walk-way by the canal), and you could stop and have a natter with them. When the traveller scum started camping at the carpark next to the Leixlip Spa, I felt threatened, and stopped going there. More recently, whilst working in Vue cinema, I got to know some settled travellers. Out of 15, only one would pay his way in. Myself and the security staff knew what halting site they were from, and they made no secret of it. Strangly, we never had the same problem from any of the local people that lived in houses.

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I'll get that data you wanted in a while. Also, I found it odd that they distinguish between travellers being employed, and travellers working as labour.

Welease

the_syco wrote: »

I'll get that data you wanted in a while.

Yeah, come back when you actually have a point and corresponding data to back it up....

sceptre

Hey, how are you all doing.

First thing. This is the Irish Economy & Budget 2010 forum. Not the Cuckoo's Nest. Bear that in mind when posting. There are very particular standards required here. There's even a forum charter which I'd recommend all of you read, even if it's your first time reading it.

Secondly, repeatedly posting anecdotes to drive home your point tends to be useless here. An anecdote isn't evidence. Especially when talking about a group of people. Any group. Actually it's nowhere near evidence and mostly makes you look like an idiot if you think it is.

Thirdly, making comments about people painting barn doors and not doing it properly (and similar posts) was half funny in that episode of the Simpsons featuring a fight between Abe and Chester J Lampwick but is less than useless here. See point 2. They add nothing useful to the discussion and actually detract from it. Really, this is just making me ignore swathes of comments from particular people as I quickly read through the thread. Please post smarter. Being blunt, stop wasting Internet space and valuable electrons and think about what you're posting.

Fourthly, you guys are getting more personal as the points from some of you lose even more relevance and coherency. Kindly stop that.

Fifthly, quick reminder of point 1. This is the Irish Economy & Budget 2010 forum, a subforum of the Politics section, not wah wah open season. Please bear that in mind. The readers expect better. The moderators expect better. As contributors you should also expect and provide better.

If any of you can't bear all of the above in mind, kindly find another forum to warble on. If you need your brush to be overly wide, get a blog.

If you can bear all of the above in mind, feel free to make the next post on this thread.

Very much a moderator post, kindly read carefully.

the_syco

sceptre wrote: »

Fifthly, quick reminder of point 1. This is the Irish Economy & Budget 2010 forum, a subforum of the Politics section, not wah wah open season. Please bear that in mind. The readers expect better. The moderators expect better. As contributors you should also expect and provide better.

I'm astonished it hasn't been moved to AH yet. Usually all traveller threads get moved there after a day or two from Politics and other forums. Finally, this is the most, um, civil (?) traveller thread that has been around lately (usually it goes downhill after 5 posts) which I believe is due to it being in the Politics section.

sceptre

the_syco wrote: »

I'm astonished it hasn't been moved to AH yet. Usually all traveller threads get moved there after a day or two from Politics and other forums. Finally, this is the most, um, civil (?) traveller thread that has been around lately (usually it goes downhill after 5 posts) which I believe is due to it being in the Politics section.

I'll happily take such comments (good or ill) on moderation by PM:) (charter specified)

The thread (this one, dear reader) will happily take an on-topic post for the thread.

AlekSmart

I hear they boil newts and fly around on broomsticks.

Flamed Diving is most likely referring to the "Old School" Traveller community.

The Celic Tiger Traveller has moved on to far more chemically efficient means of transport.......

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/feuding-dealer-found-gunned-down--in-ditch-2007213.html

and from that.....

Detectives had raided the Joyce gang on a number of occasions since 2007.

During one raid, detectives found a cocaine-mixing plant with quantities of the drug valued at €1.5m, as well as mixing agents, weighing scales and blenders. In another raid, cocaine valued at €75,000 and ammunition were discovered. The CAB had investigated both Thomas Joyce and his brother John Paul.

The High Court heard how Thomas Joyce had paid €70,000 in cash as part-payment for a Range Rover sports model at the age of 19. He also owned a BMW car.

In February 2008, officers from the CAB raided their halting site, where they found €3,000 worth of cocaine.