Nutsy to the Arabs!

Dodgykeeper

Looks like Pat Fenlon could be on his way to the SPL to take over at Dundee United.


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0105/1224261663424.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/2794212/Fenlon-in-the-United-frame-as-deal-looms.html

stovelid

Unusual to see Nutsy considering a runner when his exorbitant team budget is cut.

Who'd have thought it?

VinylJunkie

Shock horror Nutsy bankrupts up another team then runs off to Scotland where I'm positive he will be a failure, just as he was a up in Derry.

stovelid

Nutsy could take a player or two with him if this is true? Could be a disaster for Bohs with Deegan and Murphy gone already.

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VinylJunkie wrote: »

Shock horror Nutsy bankrupts up another team then runs off to Scotland where I'm positive he will be a failure, just as he was a up in Derry.

Nutsy didn't bankrupt Bohs, they were well down that line before he went there.

Also, I don't really buy into the theory that he bankrupted Shels either, tbh.

A manager goes to the board, asks for money, and is given it to spend. He spent what he was told we could afford, that isn't his fault.

Now, I do think he is a chequebook manager who wants to spend money to get the best players, but I also think he does well in team building and the players play for him.

I don't know how much money he'll have at Dundee United, but it's good to see a good, young Irish manager heading on to bigger things.

dfx-

But wasn't Fenlon adamant that his future was with Bohs a few weeks ago?

Surely he wouldn't jump ship..

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Before the Dundee United job came available I'd imagine.

It's a step up for him, no doubt about that. He's won everything he can possibly win in Ireland, and I'm sure he's just about had his fill of employers on shaky financial ground.

stovelid

Fact remains that he won leagues with easily the best squad(s) in the country.

Be interesting to see if he can do well in Scotland though. Wonder would he be on 300k like the outgoing manager? Surely he can't be getting that in D7?

It's obvious he wants to finish up with us eventually, if he'll be let.

SantryRed

But what would be a small budget in regards Dundee United? He could probably bring over a good few LOI players in regards to keeping to the small budget.

BERBA

Would be a great move for him if it happened coz the eircom league is going down the toilet with the big clubs on the verge of going out of business.

super_furry

I wouldn't worry too much. Roddy will be on the look out for a new job in a couple of weeks, perfect replacement. :P

Dodgykeeper

BERBA wrote: »

Would be a great move for him if it happened coz the eircom league is going down the toilet with the big clubs on the verge of going out of business.

The Eircom league is now called the League of Ireland and has been for at least a year, and I think the league has just about held its head above water and just may see out this recession, I just hope that clubs learn their lesson and cut their cloth!

SligoBrewer

BERBA wrote: »

Would be a great move for him if it happened coz the eircom league is going down the toilet with the big clubs on the verge of going out of business.

Go'way and support Man Utd.

Fact is he won the league how many times? Sean Connor couldn't win the league with the best squad in the country so it goes to show that is does indeed take SOME talent.

Even Brian Clough had a bad spell at Brighton ffs.

BERBA

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Go'way and support Man Utd.

Fact is he won the league how many times? Sean Connor couldn't win the league with the best squad in the country so it goes to show that is does indeed take SOME talent.

Even Brian Clough had a bad spell at Brighton ffs.

i support spurs ...better watchin them than watchin LOI ( Although some might argue on that!:D)


what happened him at Derry?...they had a great squad when he was in charge?

GLaDOS

It is a huge step up so can't blame him, be a huge blow to us though

ShamoBuc

Any news on his replacement? Is it too late for Roddy to go there? I'm sure my fellow City supporters would be 'gutted' if he were to go already!

GLaDOS

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Any news on his replacement? Is it too late for Roddy to go there? I'm sure my fellow City supporters would be 'gutted' if he were to go already!

Only speculation, he hasn't gone yet

fh041205

BERBA wrote: »

i support spurs ...better watchin them than watchin LOI ( Although some might argue on that!:D)

I certainly would.

What happened to Michael O'Neill has he rejected the job? I don't think his heart was ever in the Derry job, but he took it anyway which I don't like at all. Tbh I can't see Fenlon doing any good in Scotland. He'll definately take a few LOI players over if he can, especially with most of them out of contract atm.

BERBA

fh041205 wrote: »

I certainly would.

What happened to Michael O'Neill has he rejected the job? I don't think his heart was ever in the Derry job, but he took it anyway which I don't like at all. Tbh I can't see Fenlon doing any good in Scotland. He'll definately take a few LOI players over if he can, especially with most of them out of contract atm.

If he gets it then it will be exactly the same as when roddy was at carlisle , half the team will be irish !. Rangers beat Dundee Utd last week 7-1 so they no great shakes. IMO might be a slight step up alright but not much. think bohs current squad would give them a run and in any game they played against each other.

fh041205

AFAIR Carlisle were in the 3rd division at the time. Dundee utd would have considerably higher aspirations I would expect.

Actually you just reminded me that Dundee Utd played a friendly against us in the summer. They actually looked pretty damn good. Certainly looked like they could polish off any LOI side. They had about 3 pure class midfielders. One in particular, who just ran the whole game with ease. It would be hard to see any LOI player make a significant improvement on the team I saw.

I know I've just contradicted my last post but I only remebered it there.:rolleyes:

Eirebear

BERBA wrote: »

Rangers beat Dundee Utd last week 7-1 so they no great shakes. IMO might be a slight step up alright but not much. think bohs current squad would give them a run and in any game they played against each other.

lol, one result is what you base your opinions on?

The pressure on the next Utd manager after Levein will be huge, especially considering that they have struggled since he left.
Theyre sitting fourth in the league, picking up 4 points from Celtic this season and drawing their only game against Hibs at Easter Rd.

Its a big step up in terms of Club, League and Pressure when you consider the whole package.

fh041205

Eirebear wrote: »

lol, one result is what you base your opinions on?

In fairness, its a pretty horrific result for a team that would have been aiming to challenge for a european position.

Eirebear

fh041205 wrote: »

In fairness, its a pretty horrific result for a team that would have been aiming to challenge for a european position.

Its a horrific result, not denying that. But you cant base an opinion as to wether they are a good side or not when you consider the fact that the manager who has turned them into a solid and exciting young team had just walked out on them.

Couple that with the fact that Rangers had suddenly hit the best form ive seen them in for a couple of seasons at least and it becomes a disaster for Utd.

BERBA

Kenny thought he was making the step up when he left a very good derry side to go manage premier league side dunfermline and look what happened there!

Dunfermline , dundee united look it doesnt matter. All clubs in scotland a million miles behind 2 poor sides in celtic and rangers in a bad league.

Eirebear

BERBA wrote: »

Kenny thought he was making the step up when he left a very good derry side to go manage premier league side dunfermline and look what happened there!

Dunfermline, when Kenny took over where a poor SPL side.
Dunfermline, when Kenny was sacked a year later they were a poor 1st division side.

Maybe he just wasnt good enough?

BERBA wrote: »

Dunfermline , dundee united look it doesnt matter. All clubs in scotland a million miles behind 2 poor sides in celtic and rangers in a bad league.

Yet still a step up from the LOI (in my opinion of course)...and thats the whole point of the discussion.

Dodgykeeper

Eirebear wrote: »

Dunfermline, when Kenny took over where a poor SPL side.
Dunfermline, when Kenny was sacked a year later they were a poor 1st division side.

Maybe he just wasnt good enough?

And two years later Dunfermline are still a poor first division side, maybe they just are just not good enough! Jim McIntyre has had much longer to turn things around than Stephen Kenny was afforded.

And Nutsy while having a great record in the league went 9 games without a win up in Derry, good managers can have lean spells like players!

I think it is a great move for Pat and hope he goes for it and does well!

Dodgykeeper

BERBA wrote: »

i support spurs ...better watchin them than watchin LOI ( Although some might argue on that!:D)

And what happened the last time Spurs came to Dublin, they got beat 3-1 by a Bohs team that only had three days of pre-season under their belt, I was on the bench that night

(I know Spurs have been to Dublin since but I meant to play a match not to go on the piss)

BERBA

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

And what happened the last time Spurs came to Dublin, they got beat 3-1 by a Bohs team that only had three days of pre-season under their belt, I was on the bench that night

(I know Spurs have been to Dublin since but I meant to play a match not to go on the piss)

U leave in their goal that night by any chance?:D

Lollymcd

I hope Pat gets it, best of luck to him! Doolin for the Bohs job?

major bill

Lollymcd wrote: »

I hope Pat gets it, best of luck to him! Doolin for the Bohs job?

if fenlon goes i really hope bohs look to bring in someone else that hasnt been floating around the league for years. i dont like doolin as a manager and would hate to see him at bohs.

The Volt

fh041205 wrote: »

I certainly would.

What happened to Michael O'Neill has he rejected the job? I don't think his heart was ever in the Derry job, but he took it anyway which I don't like at all. Tbh I can't see Fenlon doing any good in Scotland. He'll definately take a few LOI players over if he can, especially with most of them out of contract atm.

M'ON was linked with the Hibs post as well. Seemingly his family is well settled here now and that the relocation to Ireland was as much for famil reasons as it was for footballing reasons.

Quint

VinylJunkie wrote: »

Shock horror Nutsy bankrupts up another team then runs off to Scotland where I'm positive he will be a failure, just as he was a up in Derry.

What des said below:

Des wrote: »

Nutsy didn't bankrupt Bohs, they were well down that line before he went there.

Also, I don't really buy into the theory that he bankrupted Shels either, tbh.

A manager goes to the board, asks for money, and is given it to spend. He spent what he was told we could afford, that isn't his fault.

Now, I do think he is a chequebook manager who wants to spend money to get the best players, but I also think he does well in team building and the players play for him.

I don't know how much money he'll have at Dundee United, but it's good to see a good, young Irish manager heading on to bigger things.

Blaming nutsie for leaving Bohs in a mess is almost as bad as Roddie blaming "overpaid players" for ruining cork. It's whoever hands out the contracts and gives the go ahead for signing players that's at fault.

pablomakaveli

major bill wrote: »

if fenlon goes i really hope bohs look to bring in someone else that hasnt been floating around the league for years. i dont like doolin as a manager and would hate to see him at bohs.

You're right. He had city playing awful football this year and he never exactly endeared himself to the fans either.

I think fenlon has the potential to do well in scotland but i think he should bring on board an assistant who has knowledge of the scottish league. I'd say it's likely he'll try and bring a couple of LOI players with him if he goes as well.

fh041205

major bill wrote: »

i dont like doolin as a manager

Does anyone?

Quint

Doolin is a secret punishment the FAI hand out to clubs that behaved badly financially.

super_furry

Please let it be Roddy, please let it be Roddy, please let it be Roddy.

stovelid

It's a selfless if extreme act from Pat. Freeing up his wages in order to bring Bohs under the SCP by the end of January.

major bill

super_furry wrote: »

Please let it be Roddy, please let it be Roddy, please let it be Roddy.

ha dont be suprised if the lil unloyal fruitcake does throw his hat in for it:(

OhNoYouDidn't

Lollymcd wrote: »

I hope Pat gets it, best of luck to him! Doolin for the Bohs job?

Thats certainly the whisper....

I think Fenlon is a top drawer coach. His teams are fit, well drilled and organised. You never hear of dissent in the ranks. But he has behaved like a complete rat here - interviewing all over for jobs and making no secret of it while ostensabily under contract.

By the way, what a jokeshop B*hs are. Nutsy meets the Dundee Utd Chairman in Stanstead over the weekend and is offered a 2 year deal.

Monday the press report it.

Tuesday Gerry C is out saying no meeting happened as Fenlon is in Spain. No permission sought etc.

Arabs issue a statement saying that they have permission to speak to Fenlon.

B*hs then issue a statement indicating they have in fact given permission for talks and are seeking £250k compensation.

Either someone in Dalyer is lying, or yet again, one hand has no idea what the other one is up to. Either way its a masterclass in how not to run a football club.

Great move for Nutsy, great move for Dundee United, will goose B*hs big time. Happy days.

OhNoYouDidn't

stovelid wrote: »

It's a selfless if extreme act from Pat. Freeing up his wages in order to bring Bohs under the SCP by the end of January.

And bearing in mind that because of the embargo none of B*hs signings are worth the paper they are written on, don't be surprised if he snatches a free player or two....

Under a transfer embargo they will struggle big time to replace him with a strong candidate and will have to settle for their second Rovers fan in a row with Doolin.

I can't stop smiling.

GLaDOS

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

interviewing all over for jobs and making no secret of it while ostensabily under contract.

By all over do you mean the one job he's been interviewed for?

Also, this would indicate that the interview has not gone ahead.

Fenlon has apparently told his employers he would not contemplate any move unless Bohemians were happy. He has denied any meeting has taken place to date and suggested there is little point in proceeding with the matter himself until the two clubs have reached an agreement.

bohsman

ScienceNerd wrote: »

By all over do you mean the one job he's been interviewed for?

Nah, Peterboro interviewed him aswell. Best of luck to him if he goes. Wouldn't mind Heary getting the job.

OhNoYouDidn't

ScienceNerd wrote: »

By all over do you mean the one job he's been interviewed for?

Peterboro, applied for the Rovers job and he was linked with a couple of Scottish jobs last year. Either way, Bohs didn't seem to object to this.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Also, this would indicate that the interview has not gone ahead.

And Dundee Utd clearly state it has. Who are we to believe, Comical Gerry or the Arabs?

Eirebear

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

And Dundee Utd clearly state it has. Who are we to believe, Comical Gerry or the Arabs?

To be honest i wouldnt trust Thompson Jnr as far as i could throw him

dreamers75

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/d/dundee_utd/8440296.stm


Done deal, Conway should ehh stop talking to people for a while.

Good luck to him, best manager over here by a mile.

stovelid

Will Young said it best:

I think I'd better leave right now
Before the ship sinks any deeper
I think I'd better leave right now
with my midfield and my keeper
Gerry is going on hold
when I hear the phone beeper
I think I'd better leave right now


/sorry. Stuck in work with the weather

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Looks like Bohs owe Fenlon money still, something about unpaid bonuses.

Interesting.

stovelid

Des wrote: »

Looks like Bohs owe Fenlon money still, something about unpaid bonuses.

Interesting.

Yet signing (and outbidding other clubs for) players when you haven't yet squared up what you owe to your own manager?

Nutsy has them over a barrel, I would assume.

SligoBrewer

stovelid wrote: »

Yet signing (and outbidding other clubs for) players when you haven't yet squared up what you owe to your own manager?

Nutsy has them over a barrel, I would assume.

LOL at Cretaro.

major bill

stovelid wrote: »

Yet signing (and outbidding other clubs for) players when you haven't yet squared up what you owe to your own manager?

Nutsy has them over a barrel, I would assume.

afaik fenlon waved goodbye to those bonuses when he signed a new deal with bohs!!!

just what i heard so dont bite me head off

flahavaj

Why do they call him nutsy anyway?