Nutsy to the Arabs!

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because that's his nickname

flahavaj

Des wrote: »

because that's his nickname

Obviously.

Is there a story behind said nickname or any particular reason they call him that?

bohsman

Des wrote: »

Looks like Bohs owe Fenlon money still, something about unpaid bonuses.

Interesting.

Fenlon agreed to deferral of bonuses when players agreed to pay cuts. There are to the best of my knowledge no bonuses owed to players.

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Because he likes eating peanuts

flahavaj

Des wrote: »

Because he likes eating peanuts

You'd have to admire the rapier wit of the genius who thought that one up. Though the peanuts reference is apt in other ways too.:pac:

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Why are Dundee United called the arabs?

bohsman

Des wrote: »

Because he likes eating peanuts

Not because he doesnt like eating peanuts?

flahavaj

Des wrote: »

Why are Dundee United called the arabs?

wiki tells me:

There have been several stories regarding the origins of the "Arabs" term. The most popular view is that the name was coined during the severe winter of the 1962/63 season. The weather was so bad, with heavy snow that refused to thaw, that between December and March, Dundee United were able to play only three times. One of these was a Scottish Cup tie against Albion Rovers, for which the management, in a desperate attempt to get Tannadice Park playable, hired an industrial tar burner to melt the several inches of snow and ice from the pitch. Not only did it do this, but it also removed the grass. Several lorry loads of builder's sand were spread across the barren surface, and the regulation pitch markings painted on top. United adapted well to this playing surface and won the game 3–0, prompting observers to comment that they had taken to the sand like Arabs.[4] Other sources point to earlier usage, with a "1950s sandtrap" used as one such reference.[34] The fans, however, used the term to describe themselves. Deacon Blue singer and long-time Dundee United supporter Ricky Ross wrote a song declaring he was Proud to be an Arab'. By the 1990s, the official club souvenir shops were selling replica keffiyehs, in tangerine and black.[4]

Little info on Pat Fenlons nuts however apart from one link I was afraid to click.:pac:

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I read wiki too.

Think I may add a piece about Fenlon's nickname.

major bill

flahavaj wrote: »

Why do they call him nutsy anyway?

Nutsy was the name of the vulture in the disney film robin hood and as you know vultures hang around dead things or dying things so maybe thats why??????? best answer i could come up with ha

GLaDOS

Apparently this will be sorted, one way or another, by 6pm

OhNoYouDidn't

bohsman wrote: »

Fenlon agreed to deferral of bonuses when players agreed to pay cuts. There are to the best of my knowledge no bonuses owed to players.

Deferral, and we are taking Comical Gerry at his word that this agreement exits, still means he is owed.

Calamatous own goal by Conway to play hardball knowing full well Nutsy could walk for free. Not only has he lost his manager for nowt, you are still under embargo so can't replace him externally. And opened the can of worms as to why the monies owed, rumoured to be in the region of €100,000, aren't reflected in the Bozo accounts.

Some more gold from the clown, shamelessly lifted from the Rovers forum.

"Pat Fenlon could sign 6 or 7 more players and we'd still be under the 65% salary protocol by a long shot"

Pat never gets to sign those players as the following season Bohs get a transfer embargo put on them

"the groundsale is 100% sorted and we will win the court case, no doubt about it"

Bohs lose the courtcase and a vital piece of their ground to a property developer

bohsman

Thankfully it hasn't been Conway doing the negotiating with DU. If we have lost him for free why has he not been announced yet? How do you know if money owed to Fenlon is in the accounts or not? Bit strange getting offered 50k for a manager that can leave for free according to Rovers.

Latest news I've seen.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/d/dundee_utd/8440296.stm

OhNoYouDidn't

bohsman wrote: »

Thankfully it hasn't been Conway doing the negotiating with DU.

Well he has been doing the talking through the media, with his usual tact and skill.

bohsman wrote: »

If we have lost him for free why has he not been announced yet?

My understanding is it will be today ahead of tomorrows game.

bohsman wrote: »

How do you know if money owed to Fenlon is in the accounts or not?

Because I have read them. You wouldn't have gotten a licence if they were in there. All outstanding monies have to have been paid by seasons end. It would appear they have not.


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edit for your edit. the only possible reason I can see DU giving you £50k they they don't have to is simply not to be dragged down to your level of jokeshop and keep the optics of fairness. Regardless, you still have to pay Nutsy the €100k - so you actually lose on the transaction. Same old Bohs. Defeat from the jaws of victory.

bohsman

Im guessing the answer is somewhere in the middle between Rovers optimism and Bohs optimism.

Fairly sure money only has to be paid unless theres an agreement in place and Im not sure if coaching staff come into it. And you've gone from starting a rumour of amount owed to using the figure as fact.

stovelid

Funny to see O Neill in the betting odds for the job.

Who would you row behind? Rico? Heary?

bohsman

Heary keeping O'Brien as assistant or look outside the league.

super_furry

super_furry wrote: »

I wouldn't worry too much. Roddy will be on the look out for a new job in a couple of weeks, perfect replacement. :P

major bill wrote: »

ha dont be suprised if the lil unloyal fruitcake does throw his hat in for it:(

The prophecy has come to pass.....

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/floriana-threaten-collins-with-court-2004940.html

MALTESE club Floriana have given Roddy Collins and Cork City a deadline of tonight to apologise and offer compensation with respect to events surrounding the Dubliner’s controversial move to Leeside – or else they will pursue legal action for defamation and bring the case to FIFA.

Floriana are furious about the manner in which they lost the services of Collins and have gained the support of the Maltese Football Association, who will go to FIFA if there is no agreement sorted out between the parties in the next 24 hours.

Cork City said that Collins was a ‘free agent’ when they appointed him manager on December 23, but Floriana say that is not the case. After trying to secure a release over the phone, the former Bohs, Carlisle, Dublin City and Shamrock Rovers boss officially emailed the Maltese club citing personal reasons for his departure; they rejected that on the basis of his ongoing dalliance with Cork.

Retraction

Floriana are pursuing a case against 48-year-old under three headings, and sent correspondence to Collins on December 29 outlining those points.

Firstly, they say he did not fulfil contract obligations by missing their league match with Qormi FC on December 18.

Secondly, they contest allegations made about the club, its members and officials related to payment of his wages and the house and car provided for his stay in Malta. Floriana are requesting a written retraction and apology from Collins or else they will legally pursue him for defamation and slander through the Irish courts given that he spoke extensively through Irish media channels about his problems – an interview given to Newstalk 106 on December 22 has been specifically cited. They are also seeking a retraction from Cork City.

Thirdly, they claim that Collins approached Cork seeking employment while manager of Floriana, a charge he denied in the days before he tried to quit his post in Malta. And, as they refused to sanction his departure, they say that Collins was acting illegally when putting pen to paper at Turner’s Cross.

Floriana want Cork City or Collins to buy out the remainder of his contract – a sum valued at €28,000 – or else they will pursue further avenues of compensation and will bring FIFA into the process. Acting Floriana President, Joe Cauchi, will attempt to speak with Cork owner, Tom Coughlan, or General Manager, Liam Meaney, today to see if there is any kind of offer forthcoming from the League of Ireland club.

Collins argues that the terms of his initial deal changed when he held discussions with officials at Floriana in late October/early November about his working arrangements. His family struggled to settle in Malta, which then led to a revision of his circumstances.

The Irish Independent contacted Collins last night, but he said that he didn’t want to comment on the argument being pursued by Floriana, stating that the affair is in the hands of his legal people. However, he said that he was unaware of any deadline set for today.

Floriana’s pain has been compounded by the imminent loss of Nigerian striker, Sunday Wasiu. They believe that he has been approached by Cork City after he left Malta to move to this part of the world; however it’s understood that he has been initially lined up for a trial at Coventry City.

Another dispute is the last thing Cork City need as they seek to cope with a variety of outstanding problems in the month where their Premier Division fate will be decided upon by the FAI’s Licensing Committee.

Earlier this week, Alan Mathews withdrew his legal proceedings against the club, a development which means that his case comes back under the remit of licensing. Mathews is listed as an employment creditor dating back to 2008, thus adding to the bill that the Leesiders need to settle if they are to have any chance of remaining in the top flight.

- Daniel McDonnell

It's like he has a reverse midas touch or something.

GLaDOS

http://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/index.asp?tm=2&nid=3389&cd=2010

Dundee United has decided not to pursue any further interest in Pat Fenlon as team manager due to the excessive compensation demand made by his club and an unwillingness to reduce this. We now consider the matter at an end and will pursue other options.

Gavin "shels"

Cn't see Fenlon being to happy about that. Micheal O'Neill up next me thinks.

GLaDOS

Gavin shels wrote: »

Cn't see Fenlon being to happy about that.

Aye, and I'll be surprised if this is the end of it, but I'm happy for the moment

DSB

And thus starts the beginning of Bohs' decline.

dreamers75

No way in hell he will stay there as manager tbh.


Dammit why didnt this happen 2 months ago

stovelid

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Is that a special smiley that denotes a manager who will now hate his employers and may be inclined to engage in a dirty war if he#s not let go or made to stay?

GLaDOS

stovelid wrote: »

Is that a special smiley that denotes a manager who will now hate his employers and may be inclined to engage in a dirty war if he#s not let go or made to stay?

Nah, that would be this

stovelid

How dirty could this get between Nutsy and the club bearing in mind that the licensing application are still being processed?

bohsman

But ONYD said that his contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on and that we didn't have a leg to stand on?

So far Nutsy has said that he doesn't want to see Bohs screwed over. I can still see him going but worst case scenario for him he stays and his name is even bigger the next time a job crops up.

GLaDOS

bohsman wrote: »

But ONYD said that his contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on and that we didn't have a leg to stand on?

It's clearly a clever ploy, to lower our defences

flahavaj

Surely Fenlon must be deeply unhappy at this latest situation? His position must be untenable at this stage.

SligoBrewer

Yeah. The beginning of the end for Bohs me thinks too.

podge018

ah yis can't have it every way, with him going we were ****ed, now he's staying we're ****ed. Give over. Lot of people in this thread with massive egg on their faces.*



* as it currently stands.

podge018

and by the way, you must remember Fenlon said he wouldn't go anywhere if it meant Bohs being shafted.

dreamers75

podge018 wrote: »

and by the way, you must remember Fenlon said he wouldn't go anywhere if it meant Bohs being shafted.

Until they shafted him.

bohsman

dreamers75 wrote: »

Until they shafted him.

DU obviously dont rate him if they were completely unwilling to negotiate, Bohs said from the start that they wouldn't stand in his way as long as a fair deal could be reached. So somehow we've shafted him? This has raised his profile massively, even if he doesn't go now he can console himself with CL football and there'll definitely be a bigger job along soon.

stovelid

Nutsy bulling. If the deal is dead, not only do Bohs have one pissed-off manager on their hands, but his profile has just been raised.

He has just become hotter stuff if you think about it: to the world, it's two clubs fighting over him.

bohsman

stovelid wrote: »

Nutsy bulling. If the deal is dead, not only do Bohs have one pissed-off manager on their hands, but his profile has just been raised. He has just become hotter stuff: two clubs fighting over him.

If Celtic offered to buy Twigg for peanuts tomorrow do you think Rovers should put a value on his head or just let him go for nothing?

stovelid

bohsman wrote: »

If Celtic offered to buy Twigg for peanuts tomorrow do you think Rovers should put a value on his head or just let him go for nothing?

Not saying that, just commenting on the situation generally. By the looks of it, both clubs should have kept it lower key though.

Seaneh

IF Bohs try hold him back he should do everything in his power to have his contract torn up.

This is a chance for him to make a proper living off of management and advance his career further than coaching in LOI will ever allow.

podge018

don't worry about him, he's on a nice wage at Bohs.

bohsman

Seaneh wrote: »

IF Bohs try hold him back he should do everything in his power to have his contract torn up.

This is a chance for him to make a proper living off of management and advance his career further than coaching in LOI will ever allow.

Bohs havent tried to hold him back. DU isnt a massive step up in terms of wages.

pablomakaveli

Seaneh wrote: »

IF Bohs try hold him back he should do everything in his power to have his contract torn up.

This is a chance for him to make a proper living off of management and advance his career further than coaching in LOI will ever allow.

He's under contract at Bohs, they have a right to seek adequate compensation. Just because it's a British club looking for Fenlon does'nt mean that Bohs should have to accept a small amount.

fh041205

bohsman wrote: »

Bohs havent tried to hold him back. DU isnt a massive step up in terms of wages.

How do you know that? I would have thought the opposite personally.

bohsman

100k+ a year here, 150k agreed with DU apparently.

dreamers75

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/dundee-united/fenlon-poised-to-quit-bohemians-as-united-pull-plug-on-deal-1.997253

oh noes

dreamers75

bohsman wrote: »

100k+ a year here, 150k agreed with DU apparently.

As a member club and you possibly as a member how do you feel the board you elected have done on this matter?

bohsman

dreamers75 wrote: »

As a member club and you possibly as a member how do you feel the board you elected have done on this matter?

Brilliantly, Robert Dunne has refused to be walked all over and the DU chairman seemed happy with their dealings with him. According to our mb he also spoke to Fenlon at length tonight and seems everyones happy although Im sure its not over yet. The Scottish papers are brilliant, seems its been a lifelong dream for Fenlon to move way up to the massive massive SPL

Sean7

Personally despite all that's been said, which I accept some of as truth, I'm a big fan of Pat Fenlon and I hope he does well. He was a great manager for Shels before they went down the swany and I don't think anyone can argue with his Bohs record. I do think Bohs deserve a bit of cash for him though considering he signed a new deal not to long ago. Although again, on a personal level though, I hope he resigns and thye get f*** all.

stovelid

bohsman wrote: »

The Scottish papers are brilliant, seems its been a lifelong dream for Fenlon to move way up to the massive massive SPL

He obviously does want to go though. I agree that outside the Punch and Judy show, the SPL is no great shakes but it is a step up (crowds, budget, exposure) and a stepping stone to England for a manager that's done it all here.

Spiritoftheseventies

stovelid wrote: »

He obviously does want to go though. I agree that outside the Punch and Judy show, the SPL is no great shakes but it is a step up (crowds, budget, exposure) and a stepping stone to England for a manager that's done it all here.

So did Bohs cut off their nose to spite their fact in the end?

bohsman

The end has yet to come. Its as much DUs fault for not rating him highly enough to pay half decent money - and not even getting in touch about compo till Thursday. We got 100k for an out of contract Deegan, Fenlon with a 3 year contract is worth far more. Im sure a club will come along and be willing to pay and best of luck to him when he goes. Fingers crossed nothing crazy happens between now and then.