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Skoda Superb, wow.
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You don't have to remove it because you can't. They're pointless in this country, I've used my Garmin around 4 times in the last 3 years in this country, but I'd be lost without it every time I go abroad, it's invaluable. F**k all good your fancy looking Skoda one is when you're in Italy and the Superb is in the long term! I have an iPhone too, and that wouldn't replcae the Garmin either, don't like the Navigon system or the poor reception of the GPS when it's not using the network to assist it.Lawson Rapping Chipmunk wrote: »Cause you dont have to remove it all the time to stop it getting robbed, its neater, better looking, bigger screen usually, interrupts the radio and phone with instructions, Also an iphone is more flexible if that what your after.....
As I said, if the car has it then good, it's a nice to have. But you'd want the noggin examined to pay extra to have it. I think Audi were charging over €1500 to add one to an A4 a couple of years ago. What moran would pay that?
That's the problem with Irish buyers. Everyone wants buttons and "features". I'd happily pay extra for an engine and/or drivetrain upgrade over a few extra buttons, but the majority of Irish judge a car by two things - size and number of buttons. (that's after badge of course!
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I think it's bizzare that big cars have this turbocharged small when a normally aspirated slightly bigger engine could do the same job. You made the point earlier that the 1.6 or 1.9 versions of the A4 aren't representitive of the car.Matt Simis wrote: »The A3 is a small hatch back. I wouldnt be extolling its virtues, certainly not an over-priced under-spec'ed 1.4 model. However the A3, run of the mill, bottom of line up vs the pinnacle of Skoda's line up (and part of their new image) and they share the same weak and cheap engine? Its not ok to put it in a Passat either. Its even more "not ok" to put in a Superb, but goes to show a somewhat convolted view of the product within VAG.
You seem to be proving my point!?
I think it's a shocking engine, I drove a Passat Comfortline with one and couldn't figure out who it would appeal to. Skoda have an extremely small product range and the Superb is only the "pinnacle" of their lineup by default
Matt Simis wrote: »How is the A4 related (technically meaningful way) to the TT and how are they both related to the R8?
I thought the whole thrust of your argument for Audi was their higher spec models, surely the halo effect is what sells the basic ones. (thought you had mentioned the R8, turns out you didn't)
You're absolutely right but I don't think bringing up the fact that they offer a 1.4 is much of an argument against the actual car if you still can respect a high spec A4 that's also offered with low powered engines.Matt Simis wrote: »Ive never even alluded to something so absurd. 1.6 in an A4.. also rubbish (and IRC years ago), dont care though, nothing to do with my point.
Making a case that some other car has a crap engine so its ok that a top of the line cruiser has it too.. is weak. Its crap, the Superb isnt meant to be a crappy poverty spec car, therefore it weakens its image to range it. So does the 1.9TDI variant (its as old as the hills).
I don't dislike Audis (I love the TT and all the S and RS models) but I'm disillusioned by people's opinions that "Irish" Audis are in any way good. I also don't like the way VW deliberately held back on the styling of the Superb so as not to tempt buyers from their other products.Matt Simis wrote: »I dont even know what the argument is about, your case seems to be trying to undermine Audi at every possible venture, mine is that Skoda are not simply rebadged Audis but have their own merits.
Your argument seems to be portable and you could go on this crusade on any vaguely VAG related thread, nice for you and all, but why? What is your end point here? We get it, you dont like Audi's. I dont like most of them either. That doesnt raise Skoda to some higher level though.
The comparison between a Superb and a high spec A6 isn't fair, but a comparison between what Skoda do for €30k and what Audi do for €40k has to be fair.
Ask most people the difference between an A4 and a Superb and most will bring up styling and interior plastics, both dirt cheap to rectify in the design stages if they actually wanted to)0 -
I'm driving a rental 1.4tsi passat at the moment and all I'll say is don't knock it until you try it. It's suprisingly peppy and for what is an entry level engine is more than adequate. AFAIK the 1.9 tdi is to be phased out shortly...think I read somewhere the 1.6 cr tdi might be going in
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I'm driving a rental 1.4tsi passat at the moment and all I'll say is don't knock it until you try it. It's suprisingly peppy and for what is an entry level engine is more than adequate. AFAIK the 1.9 tdi is to be phased out shortly...think I read somewhere the 1.6 cr tdi might be going in
Pah. Im driving a rental 09 2.0 Petrol Passat and its missing a turbo so making it not exactly peppy.
I drove the 1.6 Passat a few weeks back and was very underwhelmed by it.
Now, should I be somebody looking to simply pay cheap tax and get places rather than getting there with power then I might consider it.0 -
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I thought the whole thrust of your argument for Audi was their higher spec models, surely the halo effect is what sells the basic ones. (thought you had mentioned the R8, turns out you didn't)
Not really what I was commenting on, though a 1.6 in an A4 is poor offer, Audi have a brand image already established and a free'er to offer junk than Skoda are. 1.4 (irrelvant of its BHP) in something as classy as the Superb hurts the cars image. And I dont want to come across as overly negative on the SuperbII, its a far better value buy than any Audi (I suspect, never been in one) and possibly the best "new car" purchase from VAG.
But I dont think we are really even in disagreement, Im just pointing, as stated, that we need to get away from the idea that when you buy Audi over Skoda you only get a different badge. That's overly generous to Skoda and annoys me as much as badge snobbery, as thats what it is, inverted badge snobbery, like the people buying Prius's to look down on everyone else, there is an aura of "buying Skoda makes you smarter than everyone else as you arent being fooled".
Buying Skoda in my opinion is a bit of lucky dip, some gems (pending individual requirements) amongst a mass of cheap, low end and retasked older generation but functional product. Which is exactly (baring the SuperbII) what they say on the tin, as per RedorDead's post. If Skoda dont do it, who does? Maybe Suzuki when VW take over. 0 -
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Matt Simis wrote: »
Buying Skoda in my opinion is a bit of lucky dip, some gems (pending individual requirements) amongst a mass of cheap, low end and retasked older generation but functional product. Which is exactly (baring the SuperbII) what they say on the tin, as per RedorDead's post. If Skoda dont do it, who does? Maybe Suzuki when VW take over.
The current range of Skodas are based on the newest platforms and you are getting the most up to date technology and engines.0 -
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..I just wrote THE most eloquent reply to all of the above, but due to a keyboard fubar (touch typing........:rolleyes:), hit f5 and lost it all.........
So, you'll have to do with the Campbell's version (canned )- Let's say the Superb is the "-1 gen" chassis. Who cares, the vast majority who would be changing are driving something much older than that anyway, so it's still an improvement TO THEM - and that's what counts...
- If the "-1" theory (an arse to type, blind, btw..) were to hold water, then run-out models of all brands would be dubbed '****e'. When in fact, more often than not, they're the complete opposite. Mk1 anything is usually the ****e one.
- The current gen A6 is gorgeous. Suitably spec'd (+€€€), it's gorgeous, esp with the multitronic and 2.0Tdi engine. It is also a cart on anything other than billiard-smooth roads. So, newer is not always better (see above......)
- There is a school of thought that says the likes of the Superb are actually MORE suitable to Irish road conditions than anyting else. Given the appalling state of them, that's no bad thing......
- Don't dismiss Skoda quality. A lot of people love the TT, myself included, and it's THE car that got car mfr's thinking properly about interiors in the last 11 years. However.....it's built by czech's, sorry Hungarian's, btw.
Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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...which brings me to the following:
...it's not just VAG who lose their way you know......
...in Killarney for the last two days, and leaving the Gleneagle hotel, Mrs Galwaytt says something like: 'white cars are in again, aren't they ?...that Hyundai looks really nice with the bodykit and wheels...'
Oh dear:
A car that would make Geely proud, that is Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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I'd buy the Hyundai any day over a Merc, at least it wouldn't break down on a regular basis....which brings me to the following:
...it's not just VAG who lose their way you know......
...in Killarney for the last two days, and leaving the Gleneagle hotel, Mrs Galwaytt says something like: 'white cars are in again, aren't they ?...that Hyundai looks really nice with the bodykit and wheels...'
Oh dear:
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selfbuilder1 wrote: »Good luck flamegrill with the Superb. How does it compare to your Passat in relation to ride comfort and road and engine noise. Thanks and happy motoring.
The ride comfort is definately better in the Superb. One thing to note is that it needs to be broken in like any car so it's a little early stages yet.
Road noise seems reduced over my 06 passat. Feature set doesn't really compare tbh. 0 -
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Hi flamegrill and congrats on new wheels! Just a small question, i'm awaiting delievery on a Skoda superb elegance. Just forgot to ask dealer one question. Does this model come with a media in socket for your ipod in the glove box or is it just an aux socket. Checked out features of Colombus sat nav on youtube and looks fantastic but media in works much better than aux for total ipod control. thanks and happy skoda-ing!!!!!!!!!!:) 0
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I stopped in on a skoda dealer to have a nose at the skoda out of curiosity, it wasnt really a car i was thinking of as a contender for my new family car. I have to say i was impressed. I had a good look at a Greenline and Ambition and was really impressed at the spec and interior of the Ambition. Even the Greenline had a great interior when compared to an entry level Mazda6 (which was my fav for new family car, before actually viewing any cars
) The mazda was just soooo plasitc looking in comparison. The Superb also has so much more room. I really liked the sporty looks of the mazda but am rethinking priorities now!
For a car this size is 105bhp of the 1.9TDI not very underpowered? Me thinks the 170bhp would be better but a 170bhp Ambition is a good bit more than the 5-6k more than i was budgeting for...and i was looking for 09 cars...
Actually there was a 09 Greenline there as well and they were asking for only 1k less than a new 10 Greenline list price ! With gov scrappage and their own top up scrappage deal the 09 asking price worked out at 4K more than a new car! Were is the depreciation on the 09????
flamegrill, what was the list price of the model you bought before haggling etc?0 -
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