What's wrong with us???

CDfm

Silverfish wrote: »

You're drawing comparisons.

There is no comparisons between TLL and TGC, in that TLL was set up as a safe environment for females to discuss things from a female point of view.

Sorry -I didnt mean to compare.

It was one of the reasons why I supported tGC setting up so that issues could be discussed in a gender neutral way.

Khannie

Silverfish wrote: »

There is no comparisons between TLL and TGC

Don't be ridiculous. The parallels are blindingly obvious.

Silverfish

CDfm wrote: »

Sorry -I didnt mean to compare.

It was one of the reasons why I supported tGC setting up so that issues could be discussed in a gender neutral way.

Right, so, I'm still not seeing the problem exactly, or why the problem (if there is one) is being discussed here?

Boards.ie - Gender bias towards males (via majority voice)

TLL - Gender bias towards females. It's only one forum.

Khannie

CDfm wrote: »

It was one of the reasons why I supported tGC setting up so that issues could be discussed in a gender neutral way.

What? In a gender neutral way? In the "gentlemens club"?

edit:

Silverfish wrote: »

Right, so, I'm still not seeing the problem exactly, or why the problem (if there is one) is being discussed here?

There is no problem, nor is one being discussed here.

CDfm

Khannie wrote: »

What? In a gender neutral way? In the "gentlemens club"?

The Misogynists Club FTW:D

Dr Galen

not only do we now appear to be going round in circles, but those circles are fast approaching the drain

This discussion is veering wildly OT

The OP was asking why can't we men have a civilised discussion, an example of the male appreciation thread in tLL was used, to suggest that a similar thread here would not work. Not to be used to fuel a discussion into the relative merits, differences and reasons for existence of this or any other forum.

Please can we get back OT

Paulegend

i find it kinda funny that the mods are worried about closing this thread(no offence. its just funny because of the op's point:D). its just the op's question was answered in the first 2 replies:D and now its gone totally off topic.

but i have some on topic points

star-pants wrote: »

Aye, must say I don't see an issue with how this place is modded.
I understand somethings are boarderline and may get left in here pending benefit to the OP or the posters, whereas others would be closed as they may not fit into the forum or such.

Anything that's really been closed has been mostly health/seeking medical advice type threads which get closed everywhere for obvious reasons.
Stripper in Sligo -I'd have put it in sligo forum locked pending their mods decision.

i completly agree i think this is one of the least strict forums to be honest. me and another mod from a forum i wont mention dont really get on because if he doesnt like what you say then .................... but here the mods are pretty understanding. i did complain about a thread been locked before on behalf of someone else but to be fair the mods had a really good point and i completly apologise for that. health questions shouldnt be posted here what so ever. someone could give very seriously wrong advice.

star-pants wrote: »

OP you compare this to tLL ... I actually don't see it as quite the mens version of tLL, there's a different vibe here (apart from it being a 'male' forum) plus do you think a thread saying 'looking for a male stripper' would have been left there? doubtful.

how come this isnt a mens version? i think and i could be wrong but this should be a gentlemens club. doesnt it make sense to have it that way? if we went to tLL we would get slated or ganged up on(not in a good way:D). why cant a guys only place be here. not to be offensive(well not all offensive) but where we can ask embarasing guy questions?

Pete M. wrote: »

If I may..

..as a gentleman, I may be interested in knowing where to acquire the services of a professional lady who removes her garments for reward without recourse to any less moral or indeed more titilating forms of entertainment, and therefore may enquire with fellow gentlemen as to where such a service would be available in a particular locality whilst going about my chores and worldly pursuits.

Why, going to the regional forum may result in a less savory or indeed a more risque type of a provider of services being suggested, much to the chargrin of a gentleman such as myself.

:rolleyes:

ok without being sleasy or trying to start a revolution or something i do think there should be some threads here where you could ask about things such as sex advice, safe sex, stripper clubs and such stuff. i dont mean in the immature how many times do you masturbate type threads but actual men specific threads which would usually be reported by women(who shouldnt be in the threads in the first place). it should be threads where guys can ask embarasing questions without women getting them banned for offending women. god knows women get away with it enough.

CDfm

Paulegend wrote: »

how come this isnt a mens version? i think and i could be wrong but this should be a gentlemens club. doesnt it make sense to have it that way? if we went to tLL we would get slated or ganged up on(not in a good way:D). why cant a guys only place be here. not to be offensive(well not all offensive) but where we can ask embarasing guy questions?



ok without being sleasy or trying to start a revolution or something i do think there should be some threads here where you could ask about things such as sex advice, safe sex, stripper clubs and such stuff. i dont mean in the immature how many times do you masturbate type threads but actual men specific threads which would usually be reported by women(who shouldnt be in the threads in the first place). it should be threads where guys can ask embarasing questions without women getting them banned for offending women. god knows women get away with it enough.

This is very articulate and I think makes a very good point.

How can posts in tGC be offensive to women as they are more guests in a guy forum on guy issues.

trout

Paulegend wrote: »

why cant a guys only place be here. not to be offensive(well not all offensive) but where we can ask embarasing guy questions?

Ask all the questions you want ... unregged posting is supported here, so people can be completely anonymous if they so wish.

Paulegend wrote: »

ok without being sleasy or trying to start a revolution or something i do think there should be some threads here where you could ask about things such as sex advice, safe sex, stripper clubs and such stuff. i dont mean in the immature how many times do you masturbate type threads but actual men specific threads which would usually be reported by women(who shouldnt be in the threads in the first place). it should be threads where guys can ask embarasing questions without women getting them banned for offending women...

No arguments. If you look over the threads going back several months, I think you'll find threads along those lines. A serious thread about safe sex would be perfectly appropriate here ... strip clubs could be discussed too, in a sensible fashion; a thread about a strip club in this forum should not be offensive in and of itself ... but juvenile posts like "check out the huge bazoombas on that wan Shaniqua the tattooed contortionist ... I bet she shoots ping pong balls out her hole! Phwoooaar!! " just might be deemed offensive.

CDfm wrote: »

This is very articulate and I think makes a very good point.

How can posts in tGC be offensive to women as they are more guests in a guy forum on guy issues.

It is a fair point. I think it's catered for already though.

To answer your own question ... sensible/reasonable posts shouldn't be offensive ... to anyone.

Paulegend

thanks for the reply trout im pretty happy with all that. cant really complain about it unless some of us *ahem* start the juvenile stuff:D

CDfm

Paulegend wrote: »

thanks for the reply trout im pretty happy with all that. cant really complain about it unless some of us *ahem* start the juvenile stuff:D

And who could possibly do that

Herbal Deity

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

One last thing, I would love to be able to have a female appreciation type thread here

Agreed, I'd love a FAp thread. IMO it would be fine with a "no nipples, no crotch, no chat" rule.

That said, I can see why a "please think of the children!" view will prevail here, and since the rest of the internet is porn, it's not such a big deal.

LD 50

As far as I know, there is a place here for that.

Herbal Deity

There is? Where?

Nevyn

CDfm wrote: »

Is boards mostly male ? It surprises me that you get rape jokes sleaze or pics on boards as I cant imagine it like that.

It is very much predominatly male and yes rape jokes happen, I have had to report a lot of them over the years and have been told to ligthen up as they were jokes in the past.

CDfm wrote: »

Anyway, tll is a great forum though I disagree on the gender bashing and one of the reasons tGC was set up was that guys felt that they couldnt air their views on gender related issues. I think tGC debates gender issues a lot more openly and shows deference to both genders who post,

Far as I could tell tgc is were the men post on general topics rather then the idiots and immature males in ah. The will be a male focus here on topics and the dicussions and humanities would be the place for neutral discussions.

TGC doesn't suffer as many women posting trying to impress the men in a I am so cool way or the female equalvant which I guess is "the I like sex tee hee hee" or women coming into the forum to to have a go at all men or wanting the posters to explain all men or their bf, or male boss or random man to them.

TGC doesn't have to be defended in the same way the tLL regrettably does.

trout

Thaedydal wrote: »

rape jokes happen

Not here. Not on my watch.

Herbal Deity

Thaedydal wrote: »

the idiots and younger males in ah

Should I not be posting here?

star-pants

Herbal Deity wrote: »

Should I not be posting here?

I think she meant the more immature males rather than just younger ones.

Nevyn

I amended it to say that, thanks.

Herbal Deity

star-pants wrote: »

I think she meant the more immature males rather than just younger ones.

I assumed that, but it's always fun to be obtuse for the sake of it

Nevyn

well I didn't find it fun that it looked I was some how excluding guys from posting here so I edited the post

CDfm

Thaedydal wrote: »

It is very much predominatly male and yes rape jokes happen,

absolutely nothing funny about a rape joke

Far as I could tell tgc is were the men post on general topics rather then the idiots and younger males in ah. The will be a male focus here on topics and the dicussions and humanities would be the place for neutral discussions.

humanities - i dunno you need a bit of passion for some discussions and lots of issues can be debated honestly- you dont get that in humanities.

sometimes i think guys in tGC try to be too nice and its probably a crossover from BGRH - im not of course saying thats a bad thing cos threads can reach the lowest common denominator at times

but its nice to see that threads dont get derailed

now of to start a John Waters vs Kevin Myers Pick your Irish Male Columnist of the Decade Thread - now if I only knew how to set up a poll

CDfm

star-pants wrote: »

I think she meant the more immature males rather than just younger ones.

Thaedydal wrote: »

I amended it to say that, thanks.

digging deeper

but isnt that an essential part of maleness not taking yourself too seriously which may be called immaturity but is a sense of fun.

Nevyn

CDfm wrote: »

now of to start a John Waters vs Kevin Myers Pick your Irish Male Columnist of the Decade Thread - now if I only knew how to set up a poll

Click new thread and put in title and content and then scroll down and pick the add poll option and create the thread you will then be taken to a page to select the poll options. Please do include the "They are both paid to be trolls."

CDfm

trout wrote: »

Not on my watch.

I often wonder when i see someone use a Bushism if they are really looking at their watch

Paulegend

CDfm wrote: »

absolutely nothing funny about a rape joke

are sex jokes ok here??:D even if they might be rude towards women:) not offensive just rude??:)

CDfm

Paulegend wrote: »

are sex jokes ok here??:D even if they might be rude towards women:) not offensive just rude??:)

some sex jokes are funny and some are rude

but rape jokes are not funny as it is very offensive to victims of rape and if we find something like rape humoress/entertaining it becomes acceptable.

trout

CDfm wrote: »

I often wonder when i see someone use a Bushism if they are really looking at their watch

Not a Bushism ... pa trout used to say it a lot, claimed it was a navy reference.

Paulegend wrote: »

are sex jokes ok here??:D even if they might be rude towards women:) not offensive just rude??:)

There is a dedicated Humour forum ... might be more suitable for just telling jokes. There's a difference between lewd, rude and crude ... sometimes it's a fine line.

Banter as part of a response is often appropriate, depending on the thread.

Paulegend

CDfm wrote: »

some sex jokes are funny and some are rude

but rape jokes are not funny as it is very offensive to victims of rape and if we find something like rape humoress/entertaining it becomes acceptable.

we agree here dude nothing at all funny about rape. i would comment further but the stuff i would say about rapists would prob get me banned:rolleyes: ill just put them with one word "scum"

Herbal Deity

I would be of the opinion that anything can be made a joke of, as long as there's no malicious intent behind the joke, and it's told soley to make people laugh.

Not that I think rape jokes should be allowed here or anything, just sayin.

CDfm

Now I gotta ask Mods - is there much of what is rtrrmed misogyny on tGC.

A quiet one

CDfm wrote: »

Now I gotta ask Mods - is there much of what is rtrrmed misogyny on tGC.

Sorry to have to ask, but what's rtrrmed?

Dr Galen

a quiet one

I'm not happy with what you've done with the post that I have just deleted. It appears to me that your trying to use this thread and forum as a means to discuss your issues from another. Not only do I deem that bad manners (in a boards.ie sense of the word) but I don't think its related to this thread really. Your trying to make it fit, doesn't wash with me tbh.

CDfm

A quiet one wrote: »

Sorry to have to ask, but what's rtrrmed?

typed too fast - i meant termed

trout

CDfm wrote: »

Now I gotta ask Mods - is there much of what is termed misogyny on tGC.

I hope not. It's certainly not encouraged or tolerated ... it's not what we are about.

Having said that, it's like racism ... a little bit is still too much.

CDfm

I am posting on this cos a few threads have been locked.

This

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055825048

and this

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055823501



In one way tGC has been struggling for a voice and while some of the users came from BGRH -not all of us have.

BGRH is very very PC and sometimes I think guest posters forget that they are neither there or in tLL. Guys in tLL are guests and while I dont mean to compare moding styles etc .This forum is supposed to provide a guys eye view to life on topics that dont belong in AH, Health, PI , BGRH and even the Cuckoos Nest- but have guys posting from all.

Some of us will be more of pheasant pluckers than PC in approach and I feel we often have too cautious an approach on some issues and should not need to apologise for the boy humour or manishness of the forum because thats what it is.

Delirium

CDfm wrote: »

I am posting on this cos a few threads have been locked.

This

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055825048

and this

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055825048

In one way tGC has been struggling for a voice and while some of the users came from BGRH -not all of us have.

BGRH is very very PC and sometimes I think guest posters forget that they are neither there or in tLL. Guys in tLL are guests and while I dont mean to compare moding styles etc .This forum is supposed to provide a guys eye view to life on topics that dont belong in AH, Health, PI , BGRH and even the Cuckoos Nest- but have guys posting from all.

Some of us will be more of pheasant pluckers than PC in approach and I feel we often have too cautious an approach on some issues and should not need to apologise for the boy humour or manishness of the forum because thats what it is.

The 2 links you posted both link to the same thread. And the mod has said that it is locked as the mods discuss legal issues.

So I'm trying to figure out what you're getting at? Surely it's better that the mods check out if legal problems would arise from a thread before too many posters have replied to it.

CDfm

Thanks koth

This is the one.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055823501

There are not many places where guys discuss guy stuff as guys - what I am saying is that sometimes the forum is too safe and rather than discuss issues on guys terms -some women come in and post in a manner to derail or close a thread.

Now I know there was a crossover from BGRH but this is not BGRH.

Delirium

CDfm wrote: »

Thanks koth

This is the one.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055823501

There are not many places where guys discuss guy stuff as guys - what I am saying is that sometimes the forum is too safe and rather than discuss issues on guys terms -some women come in and post in a manner to derail or close a thread.

Personally speaking discuss issues on guys terms could mean a variety of different mentalities.

As for posters coming in to derail threads, be they male or female, we do have a report button for such occasions.

Now I know there was a crossover from BGRH but this is not BGRH.

Do you mean posts that aren't in the spirit of this forum?? Is that not another scenario for reporting the posts?

CDfm

Its a lads forum but where lads can discuss serious issues too. Thats what I mean.

Its not BGRH or tLL.

Delirium

CDfm wrote: »

Its a lads forum but where lads can discuss serious issues too. Thats what I mean.

Its not BGRH or tLL.

Alright, thats what I would have thought of this forum too.

And this forum, like all forums, has a charter which sets out the nature of the forum.

Derailing of threads I would imagine is frowned upon here as in any other forum.

Aside from that, are you unhappy that some topics that you feel are a good fit for the forum aren't being allowed to be discussed here?

Herbal Deity

In fairness, CDfm, a lot of what you say isn't simply "guys being guys", but going off on tangents, making wild accusations against feminists, and occasionally borderline crazy conspiracy theories. There's also a very predictable pattern of you twisting and derailing threads so that they involve father's rights or female on male domestic violence, even if the thread title only has so much as a tenuous link with these subjects.

Think before you type. I agree that there shouldn't be feminists lurking on every thread waiting to pounce the second anything not strictly PC is said, but I don't think that's really the case. There's a reason you're always one of the main ones involved in the squabbles with women on here...

CDfm

Hi HD - there are issues on mens rights or issues that when they will come up I probably will make a point straight up and not pull my punches.

If I see an organisation that has an openly political agenda and a history of any male action and I see posters bringing in the same arguments here I will post.

I dont see why guys cant be just as blatant in posting about our issues and highlighting our inequalities as women are about theirs.

We have had some very informative threads here such as the law and marriage/family law thread. We have also have had issues such as DV discussed too.

PK2008

This thread is 7 pages


Im just sayin..........

OldGoat

CDfm wrote: »

I am posting on this cos a few threads have been locked.

This

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055825048

That thread was locked while I asked for some advice as it was reported as being sub judice. So statements of fact being reported from the court on case are OK but comment that might be prejudicial to an ongoing case could be contempt of court.

CDfm

I can accept that old goat - but it was more in a genral sense that i am saying here

that post was more of an issue aa it bhad been reported i the news it showed how the legal system works.

that when we get guys issued posted on sometimes we play it very safe lest we offend

now i like the forum and the way things get discussed in the open is great
another gripe i have is that lots of the old threads disappeared.

i do get what herbal deity says that i can rant a bit and i am trying to be good on that front recently -new years resolution and all that.

trout

CDfm wrote: »

another gripe i have is that lots of the old threads disappeared.

What do you mean by this? Threads becoming inactive and dropping off the front page?

CDfm

trout wrote: »

What do you mean by this? Threads becoming inactive and dropping off the front page?

not inactive ones but after the hacking thing i noticed that some threads disappeared so if you wanted to go back and check or link in to them for a previosley discussed issue you couldnt

not a gripe as such and probably a technical glitch

trout

Can you name or somehow identify some threads that you think have disappeared? I can look into it.

metrovelvet

The feminists probably stole them to beat up men with.