Feral teenage gangs - what can be done to protect us?

ScumLord

Neighbourhood watch needed. I don't know how Dubliners can think they can sit at home ignoring their neighbours while their local area turns to ****. It's your own fault, with no community people don't trust each other, won't care what happens to the person in the next building and won't put themselves on the line to protect their patch.


It's simple, if you live in a street where you don't talk to any one expect your street to turn into a getto.

RonMexico

ScumLord wrote: »

Neighbourhood watch needed. I don't know how Dubliners can think they can sit at home ignoring their neighbours while their local area turns to ****. It's your own fault, with no community people don't trust each other, won't care what happens to the person in the next building and won't put themselves on the line to protect their patch.


It's simple, if you live in a street where you don't talk to any one expect your street to turn into a getto.

I agree with some of what you are saying here but a lot of people are afraid to stand up to these kids as you can't lay a finger on them or you will be the one to end up in trouble and people are afraid that there house will be targeted afterwards. It is not much fun to have your car windows smashed, house windows smashed, car keyed, garden plants ripped up etc etc.

Angry Troll

ScumLord wrote: »

Neighbourhood watch needed. I don't know how Dubliners can think they can sit at home ignoring their neighbours while their local area turns to ****. It's your own fault, with no community people don't trust each other, won't care what happens to the person in the next building and won't put themselves on the line to protect their patch.


It's simple, if you live in a street where you don't talk to any one expect your street to turn into a getto.

amen

Angry Troll

and i should add that things tend to go down the drain where and when people do not own or rent their places. once everything is on welfare people tend to stop giving a **** about anything and communities turn to ghettos and slums...including gang violence and everything else...

Diabhal_Glas

kraggy wrote: »

Ireland's gone to ****.

If I were in government, I'd have it that 16 year olds and younger have to be accompanied outside by an adult after 9pm. If not, slap a big fine on the parents.

Once money comes into things, parents aren't long copping on.

I'm really beginning to hate Ireland. The amount of scum in our country is worse than Britain at this stage. I've lived there. It's not as bad as Ireland.

Where did you live in the UK? In fairness its really really bad in some parts over there.

Angry Troll

R0ot wrote: »

Summary Executions anyone?

yeah, sure..seriously though, good solid old-school violence is a universal language everybody understands...anything else is basically just leftist utopia…if the little creeps were scared they’d stay away, as simple as that…of course, in today’s western world it is increasingly hard to protect yourself with all the laws and all that…

hooradiation

Angry Troll wrote: »

yeah, sure..seriously though, good solid old-school violence is a universal language everybody understands...anything else is basically just leftist utopia…if the little creeps were scared they’d stay away, as simple as that…of course, in today’s western world it is increasingly hard to protect yourself with all the laws and all that…

Ahh, i love it. Such mindless thuggery being championed by people who consider themselves to be the law abiding citizens in their Walter Mitty fantasies.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

coldwood92

yeah Ireland's gone to ****.

RMD

Having done charity work in the Sherriff street / Summerhill area I can tell you now what those kids need is something that will get them off the streets. Belvedere youth club works great in that area so I'm sure the same effect can be replicated in the Pearse street area.

Putting a curfew on them will do nothing more than further strain understaffed Gardai trying to enforce it.

aDeener

hooradiation wrote: »

Ahh, i love it. Such mindless thuggery being championed by people who consider themselves to be the law abiding citizens in their Walter Mitty fantasies.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

what do you think should be done oh enlightened one,:rolleyes: or you probably dont really care as it wouldnt effect you much all the way up there

southsiderosie

So let me get this straight:

* Guards are understaffed
* No curfew
* No/few after-school programs
* No active parents - and especially no active fathers - in many of these homes

Therefore, there is no figure of authority at home, in school, or in the streets that could check anti-social behavior from kids. Something has to give here; at the point where people in a community are too terrified to tell 14 year old kids to keep it moving, you're ****ed.

A curfew might be a good start. The kids who aren't causing problems will be more likely to observe it, and the kids who are willing to break the law are the ones that the guards would be likely to have to deal with anyway. Plus if is the kind of curfew where you parents have to come get you and/or are fined, 2-3 months of strict enforcement at the outset might get the parents (even if they are deadbeats) to also help with enforcement if, for no other reason, to save themselves the bother of having to pay and/or go to the police station. So it may end up being only a short-term strain on the guards.

ScumLord

RonMexico wrote: »

I agree with some of what you are saying here but a lot of people are afraid to stand up to these kids as you can't lay a finger on them or you will be the one to end up in trouble and people are afraid that there house will be targeted afterwards. It is not much fun to have your car windows smashed, house windows smashed, car keyed, garden plants ripped up etc etc.

But that's where a good solid community would be able in unison, to run the kids off the estate and should anything happen the poor fellas they fell of their own accord and there's 200 witnesses here that will say the same thing.

People need to stop depending on the government for everything. It's not their fault your community in tatters. You can get so much done without them. Anything from playgrounds to securing your own town or area.

Bonito

southsiderosie wrote: »

So let me get this straight:

* Guards are understaffed
* No curfew
* No/few after-school programs
* No active parents - and especially no active fathers - in many of these homes

Therefore, there is no figure of authority at home, in school, or in the streets that could check anti-social behavior from kids. Something has to give here; at the point where people in a community are too terrified to tell 14 year old kids to keep it moving, you're ****ed.

A curfew might be a good start. The kids who aren't causing problems will be more likely to observe it, and the kids who are willing to break the law are the ones that the guards would be likely to have to deal with anyway. Plus if is the kind of curfew where you parents have to come get you and/or are fined, 2-3 months of strict enforcement at the outset might get the parents (even if they are deadbeats) to also help with enforcement if, for no other reason, to save themselves the bother of having to pay and/or go to the police station. So it may end up being only a short-term strain on the guards.

Haven't seen you post in a while Rosie how's things, your xmas go well?

Now to these pressing issues!

Curfew? YES
Guardaí should adopt a "take no guff" attitude, regardless of age? YES
Hefty fines for neglegent parents? YES
Reducing age punishable to full extent of law to 16? YES

Whoever condones behaviour displayed by these "thugs" should be slapped!

May we all pray that some day they'll all turn on each other and we'll be rid of the lot of them :rolleyes:

hooradiation

aDeener wrote: »

what do you think should be done oh enlightened one,:rolleyes:

It's been shown time and time again that better social programs and encouraging a better home have a better effect on anti-social behavior than any of this zero tolerance shit.

The problem is that they aren't instant and don't give the keyboard warriors of AH a chance to tell everyone how they should be allowed to beat/kill/sterilise anyone that they are afraid of.

Angry Troll

ScumLord wrote: »

But that's where a good solid community would be able in unison, to run the kids off the estate and should anything happen the poor fellas they fell of their own accord and there's 200 witnesses here that will say the same thing.

People need to stop depending on the government for everything. It's not their fault your community in tatters. You can get so much done without them. Anything from playgrounds to securing your own town or area.

that would be a good start for sure…once those kids are faced by a united community response and understand they can no longer pester people with impunity, that sort of antisocial behaviour stops pretty quickly…and then some things in society have to change to reduce the number of teenage gangs and all that...which would of course be more complex and long-term...the best short term solution will always be a group of unflinching community members with baseball bats…their mere presence should clear the area of teenage thugs in no time…

BraziliaNZ

just outside my window now a load of kids in pyjamas etc (presume from the flats around corner) were throwing snowballs at people waiting on LUAS, not sure entirely what happened but some knacker woman came out and started screaming her head off at a girl that works at a cafe near here, probably because she told them to stop, and then more and more flats people started gathering and wouldn't let her on the LUAS and started kicking and punching her and the guy who tried to protect her. This is right outside the bridewell too. Garda came eventually and broke it up. Jesus Christ though that was scary. The knacker woman was shouting that she wanted to press charges against the girl who was attacked for "assaul'in her youngfellit!"!!!
Poor girl was dragged off luas and in tears when garda came.

pickarooney

For once in a blue moon it snows - the lot of youse should be out in the streets engaging in one massive snowball fight stretching across the country.

Nevyn

meditraitor wrote: »

If the parents are scumbags then almost invariably the offspring will be little scumbags,
But there are other reasons for scumbag kids, bad parents are not always scumbags just bad parents with problems that keep them from giving the kids the upbringing they need. Respect and honesty for a start.

Most of the little scumbags I know are from broken homes, children of people with mental/drink/drug problems and of course scumbag parents....

The answer to this is ................................................

Mandatory free contraceptives for male and females and you have to do a parenting course and pay a 100 quid to get the antidote and try for a child.

Mossy Monk

This **** has been going on for years. Nothing has changed.

Jumpy

pickarooney wrote: »

For once in a blue moon it snows - the lot of youse should be out in the streets engaging in one massive snowball fight stretching across the country.

*pulls out gun*

Promac

hooradiation wrote: »

oh please, this whole "ZOMG TEENAGERS ARE OUT OF CONTROL" bullshit is as old as time itself.

for example



You're just getting old and crotchety OP, your rocking chair and sanctioned list of "things what were better when i were a lad" have been sent to you and will arrive shortly.

Your counter-argument is just as old and does nothing but allow the problem to continue.

It's a real problem encountered by anyone who lives anywhere near a block of flats in this country. The surrounding area becomes a lawless kip that no-one wants to live anywhere near.

Promac

j1974 wrote: »

yes you are being naive and abit silly. fact is, they then know where you live, you could be replacing your front windows regularly in this case, or putting out your car. ive seen this happen al too frequently in finglas with scumbags. the major problem is that these are second generation scumbags, the father (if he can be found) and mother, are also scumbags and therefor have little empathy for others. they're just glad to have their dole and loan parents etc. it all come down to breeding in my book. I dont know what the row was about, but if you think that cos you've a flat dublin accent, they might fear you, you're sadly mistaken. Once you start woth these guys, you have to be prepared to go all the way, go outside and clatter the head off the biggest one or two of them and follow through on any subsequent threats you issue, they only understnad, force, violence and fear. If you have none of these in yards, then best just offer a kind ear and any other support to your neighbour, once the smoke clears.

Well said.

wuzzik

kraggy wrote: »

Ireland's gone to ****.

If I were in government, I'd have it that 16 year olds and younger have to be accompanied outside by an adult after 9pm. If not, slap a big fine on the parents.

Once money comes into things, parents aren't long copping on.

I'm really beginning to hate Ireland. The amount of scum in our country is worse than Britain at this stage. I've lived there. It's not as bad as Ireland.

Not all teens are like this so why punish all of them. I had 15 of my daughters friends at my house last night and they were no bother at all. Parents teach their kids how to behave in public. I fully support doing something about the riff raff but leave the good Kids alone. If we penalise them all there is no incentive for them to behave well.

aDeener

hooradiation wrote: »

It's been shown time and time again that better social programs and encouraging a better home have a better effect on anti-social behavior than any of this zero tolerance shit.

The problem is that they aren't instant and don't give the keyboard warriors of AH a chance to tell everyone how they should be allowed to beat/kill/sterilise anyone that they are afraid of.

"encouraging a better home" im sorry but that is hilarious, 1. how does one encourage a better home? 2. You think they are going to listen?

where has this been shown can you tell me? i can tell you what there was sweet fcuk all people breaking windows of houses and roaring verbal abuse/intimidating strangers on the street when there was "zero tolerance ****" i speak for my own area which has since become a shithole/ breeeding ground for these people you want "social programs" for. dear me

Milky Moo

The exclamations of the youth of today being wild has been going on for decades.
If it was true society would have crumbled by now with the feral youth becoming adults and not being able to handle things.

I do believe that the feral youth of yesterday are the reason we have the scumbags of today.
However there are some reallly great kids out there that are respectful and good mannered and will do just fine and grow up into capable adults.
This has always been the way. It just seems the bad element are getting more brazen.

gazzer

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

just outside my window now a load of kids in pyjamas etc (presume from the flats around corner) were throwing snowballs .

Says it all really. Brain dead scummers. I mean who the fcuk comes out wearing PJs in the snow?

Mike 1972

Ordinary man wrote: »

I believe any law breakers should lose all entitlements to dole etc for life. .

Show me someone who reckons theyve never broken any laws and Ill show you a self deluded hypocrite.

Magnus wrote: »

The Chinese have one thing right - licence for children.
Have more than 2 and you get a bullet.
They don't behave - bullet.
Speak without raising their hand - bullet.

Source ?

aDeener

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Show me someone who reckons theyve never broken any laws and Ill show you a self deluded hypocrite.

The ordinary man doesn't break the law :pac:

southsiderosie

Bonito wrote: »

Haven't seen you post in a while Rosie how's things, your xmas go well?

Now to these pressing issues!

Curfew? YES
Guardaí should adopt a "take no guff" attitude, regardless of age? YES
Hefty fines for neglegent parents? YES
Reducing age punishable to full extent of law to 16? YES

Whoever condones behaviour displayed by these "thugs" should be slapped!

May we all pray that some day they'll all turn on each other and we'll be rid of the lot of them :rolleyes:

Eh, I'm generally on board, but not so sure about the 16 year old treated as an adult in the judicial system thing. The criminalization of children in the US hasn't reduced crime, it's just turned kids into professional criminals at an even younger age, or saddled kids with a criminal record for life just for being stupid teenagers. I think part of the logic behind a curfew is that you are telling both the kids and the parents that if you are 14 you are still a child, and should not be out running the streets like you are an adult. But when the age of punishment drops, you're effectively telling kids that they are adults.

And, yes, I haven't been swimming around in AH much...but Christmas was great except for the giant ice storms...the one good thing is that horrible cold = less hoodlums...not much loitering when it's -4 and snowing...maybe if Chicago were that cold all of the time we wouldn't have 500+ murders a year.

Dudess

Who here actually lives in a community where they have to put up with significant intimidation from "feral" teenage gangs on a continuous basis? Encountering them in town the odd time before you head off home to a neighbourhood of zero anti-social behaviour doesn't count.

OP, I lived in that very same area of Dublin, and really, you're in no position to be worrying about who'll protect "us".

tedstriker

I was punched in the face at the Sandymount luas stop about 3 weeks ago by some teenager for no apparent reason. Had to wait 8 hours to get 3 stitches, great fun. The kid must have been wearing the finest argos gay-partner-for-life ring or had a key or something to leave the gash he did on my face from a not particularly hard whack. He wasn't provoked, he wanted money for the Luas and I said no. Sandymount is a nice area so that shouldn't really happen there but it did and it does.
I was told by the security that the late nights on the Luas at christmas were greatly reduced compared to last year because of all the late night trouble. The guards who were called patrol the Luas line constantly and they told me that it was common place. I live in the city centre and have done for around 4 years now and never had anything like that happen to me there.
Anti-social is the wrong term because kids like this think this IS being social. It was part of his night out and it is part of the night out for plenty of kids. If you want to encourage kids to do good then there are a million things that need to be done in order to get to that position. They/we are a product of our surroundings and if there are many elements of disorder around us we will see this as the norm. I am a fan of the "broken window" theory.
The gardai don't tackle this sort of low level crime too much because it is tough to get any results and also there seems to be a slightly habitual resentment of the public by the gardai which is another issue altogether. It is time the Gardai tackled the smaller crimes with more enthusiasm and as a result you would find people in this society would feel safer. The government of course also need to ensure that the laws are there to allow good policing... not so long ago you could beg legally in this country, not that it makes a difference now the laws were changed.

dolliemix

tedstriker wrote: »

I was punched in the face at the Sandymount luas stop about 3 weeks ago by some teenager for no apparent reason. Had to wait 8 hours to get 3 stitches, great fun. The kid must have been wearing the finest argos gay-partner-for-life ring or had a key or something to leave the gash he did on my face from a not particularly hard whack. He wasn't provoked, he wanted money for the Luas and I said no. Sandymount is a nice area so that shouldn't really happen there but it did and it does.
I was told by the security that the late nights on the Luas at christmas were greatly reduced compared to last year because of all the late night trouble. The guards who were called patrol the Luas line constantly and they told me that it was common place. I live in the city centre and have done for around 4 years now and never had anything like that happen to me there.
Anti-social is the wrong term because kids like this think this IS being social. It was part of his night out and it is part of the night out for plenty of kids. If you want to encourage kids to do good then there are a million things that need to be done in order to get to that position. They/we are a product of our surroundings and if there are many elements of disorder around us we will see this as the norm. I am a fan of the "broken window" theory.
The gardai don't tackle this sort of low level crime too much because it is tough to get any results and also there seems to be a slightly habitual resentment of the public by the gardai which is another issue altogether. It is time the Gardai tackled the smaller crimes with more enthusiasm and as a result you would find people in this society would feel safer. The government of course also need to ensure that the laws are there to allow good policing... not so long ago you could beg legally in this country, not that it makes a difference now the laws were changed.

Do you mean Sandymount Dart station? Or Sandyford Luas?

Thats awful that happened. Just wondering cos my parents live near the sandyford luas station

tedstriker

dolliemix wrote: »

Do you mean Sandymount Dart station? Or Sandyford Luas?

Thats awful that happened. Just wondering cos my parents live near the sandyford luas station

Sorry, yeah I mean Sandyford Luas.

It's bad it happened but to be honest my first reaction was to laugh. They guy was a whimp, he just ran off. I didn't even know I was bleeding until I got on the Luas. I'm still not at all upset really by it. He'll do it to the wrong guy some day and end up in A&E himself. It could have been much worse anyway.

Scrambled egg

I for one would support the idea of work camps for them, caught acting the bollix 3 times, off you go, 6 months labor making tables and chairs or something, might even teach them a trade or something useful.

aDeener

Dudess wrote: »

Who here actually lives in a community where they have to put up with significant intimidation from "feral" teenage gangs on a continuous basis? Encountering them in town the odd time before you head off home to a neighbourhood of zero anti-social behaviour doesn't count.

OP, I lived in that very same area of Dublin, and really, you're in no position to be worrying about who'll protect "us".

define significant? im sorry but that is ridiculous to suggest that having to put up with scumbags "the odd time" doesnt count. why should someone have to put up with them when they are in town - whatever town that might be.
theres a nest of travellers down the road from me who really are scum in everything they do, so yeah i have to put up with them most days. is that significant enough? :rolleyes:

jumpguy

As a teenager myself, I'd like to say that the scumbags are usually in a minority (in my area anyway). The problem is, they're the crowd who're always hanging around the place doing nothing. The devil plays on an idle mind, I suppose. Anyway, these scumbags cause trouble, and the next thing you have people roaring about teens and how evil we are. It's ageism as it's prime tbh. Us teenagers are just as bothered and annoyed by the scumbags as the general population is.

One of the most disappointing things I heard recently was last year at a carnival. A father was bringing his little girl into the carnival and she burst into tears and said "oh noooo! There's teenagers!"

bikeblues

tedstriker wrote: »

Sorry, yeah I mean Sandyford Luas.

It's bad it happened but to be honest my first reaction was to laugh. They guy was a whimp, he just ran off. I didn't even know I was bleeding until I got on the Luas. I'm still not at all upset really by it. He'll do it to the wrong guy some day and end up in A&E himself. .

please god let it be me

anyway

I blame Hitler ......... for fecking up a perfectly good solution .

Havermeyer

Round them up and put them in chain gangs. We would have a very clean country, in fairness. There's enough of the scumbags to go round.

And when they get too weak to work we should put them down, and charge their families for the bullet. Might make parents who breed these little ****s think twice about rearing scumbags that simply terrorise people, because they think it's funny.

blogga

Morning after pill free and delivered daily to breeding grounds. Will solve the long term problem.

bernardo mac

Lock them up in the most basic and secure accommodation until someone comes to claim them.The Gardai should have the power of authority to decide if the youths are a danger to others and themselves.Fines,constructive and quite punitive work detail to follow.:mad:

ascanbe

I haven't heard of these feral teenage gangs but if they're bothering you they're probably just looking for food; put a plate of leftovers outside at night and that should satisfy them.
Having grown up in the wild and reached their teens, it's probably too late for them to accliamatise successfully into mainstream society; besides they're obviously thriving in their natural enviroment and it would be best for all concerned to leave them be.
I'd be much more concerned with developing a cogent social policy aimed towards limiting the anti-social problems associated with some of the teens who live amongst us; and investi,ng meaningfully in it.
Heavy investment in education and reasonably financed, streamlined social services is the way to go.
I know there are many people who grow up in less than perfect situations who manage to adapt and make good, law-abiding citizens of themselves; these people are to be applauded.
Often, though, these people use themselves and are used by others as examples of why there is no point in trying to invest in the 'scum'.
Some young people can't, by themselves, overcome the difficult situations they find themselves born into; if the thought of giving these people a leg-up bothers you just take into account the fact that it will, ultimately, benifit everyone.

citizen_p

worst i seen (and im around the age in qustion) was beide the bus stop on eden quay (the boardwalk bit) where a few lads assaulted 2 polish guys. ohh and threw his trousers into the river
...when the gardai arrived the lads walked off and the two polish lads were all that was left. they then just sat back down.

Lone Stone

A polish family moved in down the road from me a year ago, They never really spoke to anyone and there kid was a wild child couldnt speak a word of english and they always left him alone he was about 6.

Anyway never had any trouble with them but one day there kid decide my mams wheel chair was a taxi and jumped on the back of it when she was going to the shops other than i never had any problems with them.

But a bunch of feckin dublin scummy teenaged basterd from around here decided it would be funny to pour petrol all over there car and set it on fire.
:mad:

ugh i dont even know where to start like i was a bit of a wild teen myself but id never burn someone's car or harase someone cause there foreign.

dsmythy

Proper citizen groups. Neighbourhood Watch doesn't really cut it. One issue from areas where there is a problem is that people won't get involved because then their own selfs or homes are targetted. If you can get the whole community as one to show intolerance to even the smallest of anti-social anti-community incidents then the gangs can't gain their retribution unless they want to smash up every single house on the estate.

K4t

Nobody cares. You might aswell close this thread. This topic has been dicussed countless times before and will continue to be discussed but at the end of the day nobody cares, especially the people with the power to change the situation.

RMD

southsiderosie wrote: »

So let me get this straight:

* Guards are understaffed
* No curfew
* No/few after-school programs
* No active parents - and especially no active fathers - in many of these homes

Therefore, there is no figure of authority at home, in school, or in the streets that could check anti-social behavior from kids. Something has to give here; at the point where people in a community are too terrified to tell 14 year old kids to keep it moving, you're ****ed.

A curfew might be a good start. The kids who aren't causing problems will be more likely to observe it, and the kids who are willing to break the law are the ones that the guards would be likely to have to deal with anyway. Plus if is the kind of curfew where you parents have to come get you and/or are fined, 2-3 months of strict enforcement at the outset might get the parents (even if they are deadbeats) to also help with enforcement if, for no other reason, to save themselves the bother of having to pay and/or go to the police station. So it may end up being only a short-term strain on the guards.

I'm sorry, but why the **** should I have to stay at home because of other people's actions? How about to stem violent drunken assaults and other alcohol related crime we simply ban people consuming alcohol after say 9 O'clock?

Same situation, I'm just removing the cause of the crime. Let me guess, you don't like that idea because you generally don't cause trouble after drinking? Unfair isn't it you suffer for other people's actions? This is putting yourself in my shoes, someone who doesn't break the law but now would be under curfew because of others.

caffrey

I too have seen teenagers who harass shop attendants/security Ireland. I was away on a trip for a nice weekend in manchester(as I have done in a few english cities). Over the weekend I was out and about as you do, not a spot of bother. I come back and am getting a taxi down the quays(about 3pm in the day), I see 3 lads being chased from a centra with items in hands, there are more yobs waiting outside so the security(foreign) stay back a bit. The "yobs" proceed to moon and jeer at the security while they call the cops. I just think to myself what tourists thought of that and you can be sure plenty saw it on the quays. this is indeed mild compared to the incident the OP mentions but is another instance where they give ireland a bad name.

this adds to other examples of pissing in the main streets, stories of foreigners defrauding the system(i know there are those that do but there are plenty of irish doing it too), africans all being reffered to as "them nigerians" etc etc, our country is becoming more and more xenophobic/rasist and there will be little done, it will be ignored or the blame will most likely be put on people feeling bad because of the recession or some other tripe just like the usual attitude that not only the government have but a lot of people in society, "A sure what can ya do", "boys will be boys", "that money was just resting in my account", "I do not recall....

ToniTuddle

It doesn't just happen in Dublin or bigger towns.

The hatred and ignorance towards Polish/Lithuanian/Slovakian...any of them, is unreal in small towns/areas.

I know from being friends with a lot of these good, honest people and have been on the receiving end of abuse.
For just even thinking about associating with them, nevermind when I actually hung out with them! It could have ended fatal for me and one of them, one night...over what? The fact they can't speak English as good as we can?
They look down on them like they are sub-human things.
I can understand the fear of change and fear of what you don't know...but JESUS come on.

As for the comments "ohhhhh it's only snowballs". Who the hell throws snowballs repeatedly at random strangers(whether they Irish or not)???

There are enough psychos and weirdos out there on nights without having to worry about bloody 14/15yr old farts.

As other posters have said their issues run deeper and need to be sorted out from a young age.
Something needs to be put in place for all age groups of kids.

caffrey

perhaps a nice way to deal with this is both with punishment for child and parent. the child gets community service and for repeat offences pictures of child and parent are put up in local shops/community centres with the crime commited on display. Most would be dettered by even the prospect of this. There is nothing to get someone parenting like cold, hard SHAME!!

ToniTuddle

caffrey wrote: »

perhaps a nice way to deal with this is both with punishment for child and parent. the child gets community service and for repeat offences pictures of child and parent are put up in local shops/community centres with the crime commited on display. Most would be dettered by even the prospect of this. There is nothing to get someone parenting like cold, hard SHAME!!

That would probably end up with the parent battering the child behind closed doors for "shaming" them like that.

The idea of community service for the teenagers is good.
Ones that are younger than 12 would probably need something else.

Sometimes it isn't the parents fault. Some kids are soo easily led it's shocking. Whatever punishment is handed out I'd say there will be a vicious cycle of other crap as a result.