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    #32
    Buster10
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Buster10


    No, like I said, they're currently accepting applications for 4th year from current and past Heritage Studies students. We've been told that 4th year didn't go ahead on one occasion due to insufficient applications. Otherwise, as long as the demand is there, 4th year is always offered.


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    #33
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    Graduated 2008, no chance of a job out of it! Handy course, dont know why people struggle with it.


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    #34
    lollygmit1
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭lollygmit1


    its okay if you do the right stream of it. for instance the person who would get on fantastic with the geography elements in castlebar (where the course focuses) could struggle =with archaeology (where the galway course focuses). iv seen people transferring mid stream eg 2nd and 3rd year from galway to castlebar as they wanted the focus of geography and not history


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    #35
    lollygmit1
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭lollygmit1


    MayoArsehole wrote: »
    Graduated 2008, no chance of a job out of it! Handy course, dont know why people struggle with it.
    did you ever do anything in the area of heritage studies after graduation


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    #36
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    Read what I wrote. it's Heritage Studies, you're not meant to get a job out of it. Anyways it's not worth debating.


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    #37
    perfectisthe
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭perfectisthe


    MayoArsehole wrote: »
    Read what I wrote. it's Heritage Studies, you're not meant to get a job out of it. Anyways it's not worth debating.

    That's not strictly true though. Graduates of most disciplines have been struggling to find work since 2008.

    Previous to this, there was a certain amount of work for Heritage Studies graduates in visitor centres, as tour guides etc. I personally know some people who graduated circa 2004-05 who gained employment in these areas.

    Either way, Heritage Studies is a broad arts degree. The issues faced by Heritage Studies graduates are the same as those faced by virtually all humanities graduates across the globe.

    If you do an arts degree you have to be prepared to do a postgrad, so you can specialise in your chosen area and make yourself more employable.

    I still can't get over the amount of people who don't get this and expect to walk into a job after their undergrad.

    I graduated in 2010, have done two postgrads since, and now work in the heritage industry.


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    #38
    lollygmit1
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭lollygmit1


    perfectisthe wrote: »
    That's not strictly true though. Graduates of most disciplines have been struggling to find work since 2008.

    Previous to this, there was a certain amount of work for Heritage Studies graduates in visitor centres, as tour guides etc. I personally know some people who graduated circa 2004-05 who gained employment in these areas.

    Either way, Heritage Studies is a broad arts degree. The issues faced by Heritage Studies graduates are the same as those faced by virtually all humanities graduates across the globe.

    If you do an arts degree you have to be prepared to do a postgrad, so you can specialise in your chosen area and make yourself more employable.

    I still can't get over the amount of people who don't get this and expect to walk into a job after their undergrad.

    I graduated in 2010, have done two postgrads since, and now work in the heritage industry.

    exactly, its been described as a stating point, not the end result. work is there if your willing to look for it


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    #39
    lollygmit1
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭lollygmit1


    Buster10 wrote: »
    No, like I said, they're currently accepting applications for 4th year from current and past Heritage Studies students. We've been told that 4th year didn't go ahead on one occasion due to insufficient applications. Otherwise, as long as the demand is there, 4th year is always offered.

    offered is not the same as running


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    #40
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    Well that's alright for the small minority who are prepared to spend 6 maybe even 7 years in college just to work in the Heritage industry! or as Perfectisthe has had to do 2 post grads! what kind of job do you have Perfectisthe? is it fulltime and decently paid? Personally i'd prefer a real job than to graduate from a course that requires a post grad to have any chance of employment. Some people seem to prefer being an eternal student being always told that they just need another post grad and spend their working lives in college instead! there are no Heritage jobs out there for people with a B.A in Heritage, which does make Heritage graduates unlike graduates of any other course. Perfectisthe it is a degree in Humanities and not "Arts" by the way is it not?.


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    #41
    Buster10
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Buster10


    offered is not the same as running
    You seem quite determined to suggest that there isn't an option of fourth year in Castlebar... if people want to do it, it's available, simple as that...


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    #42
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    Buster10 wrote: »
    You seem quite determined to suggest that there isn't an option of fourth year in Castlebar... if people want to do it, it's available, simple as that...

    Spot on Buster, they take anybody that passes 3rd year, as if Heritage studies was somehow exclusive!


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    #43
    perfectisthe
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭perfectisthe


    Personally i'd prefer a real job than to graduate from a course that requires a post grad to have any chance of employment

    Why did you do a degree in the humanities so? Even during good economic times, humanities graduates face problems with employment. If you wanted to walk into a job after college, why didn't you do I.T or something similar?
    Some people seem to prefer being an eternal student being always told that they just need another post grad and spend their working lives in college instead

    No-one told me that I needed another postgrad, I chose to do it because I recognised that it would benefit me. I'd hardly call two years spending my 'working life(s) in college'.
    what kind of job do you have Perfectisthe?

    I'm not trying to be evasive, but I really don't want to post what I do on a public forum - I value my anonymity. If you really want to know, I'll PM you.
    there are no Heritage jobs out there for people with a B.A in Heritage, which does make Heritage graduates unlike graduates of any other course

    Really? There are no jobs for graduates of history, English, philosophy, anthropology, archaeology or celtic studies degrees either. Thing is though, there are hardly any jobs out there for graduates of any discipline at the moment. Even STEM graduates are having a hard time. This problem is absolutely not unique to Heritage Studies.
    Perfectisthe it is a degree in Humanities and not "Arts" by the way is it not?

    Of course it is. If you re-read my post you'll see it referred to as both. I was using the term 'arts degree' as a comparison, and point of reference. If this was unclear I apologise (as a pedant myself, I do enjoy a good bit of pedantry though!).

    Look, employment prospects for Heritage Studies students are seriously grim right now. They have been for the past five years, and it's a lousy situation. There are things you can do to improve your position though. You really need to work hard, be motivated, be imaginative and need to be prepared to go the extra mile to get any kind of job these days (I'm not in any way implying that you haven't done these things by the way).

    I have two questions for you now.

    Firstly, do you still live in Mayo?

    Secondly, when you were doing your degree, did you genuinely want to enter the heritage industry when you finished?

    I ask this because, including me, in my class there were about 3-4 people out of 35-40 who really wanted to work in the heritage industry. The rest just saw it as getting a degree, it was a box that need to be ticked before they moved on to the next stage of their life.


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    #44
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    Well 7 years of your life altogether, I'd consider that a waste of time if you are only doing an internship now or something similar as I suspect you are. I entered in to it with no expectations, I thought it would be a handy B.A but as I got in to it I wanted to know more about Archaeology and ended up working for the commercial Archaeology companies during the boom. I graduated top 3 in my year but consider the whole thing a complete waste of time now, it was also a burden to learning the things of value and importance that are unfortunately of no value or importance to academia or employers. Most of the other students copied and pasted their way to the B.A, I worked hard and put in the effort but my reward was 5 years on the dole! hence the cynicism.

    I have no faith in formal education and would not put myself through any form of post grad after my experience with Heritage. I still like Archaeology but as Champollion said "a beautiful mistress who brings a poor dowry".

    I live in Galway, and by the way you did refer to Humanities as an arts degree.

    P.S only reason I mentioned graduating top 3 in my year is that it is a poor inditement of a course that people like me can do so well in it :-)


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    #45
    Diabhal Beag
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    Calm it down guys.


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    #46
    lollygmit1
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭lollygmit1


    Lord ButterSlip wrote: »
    In Castlebar??
    Castlebar looses alot of its heritage students in the 1st year. 9 dropped out of my class back in 08


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    #47
    Buster10
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Buster10


    9 dropped out of my class back in 08
    9 out of how many? And how does that compare to Heritage Studies in Galway? Or to any other Arts course anywhere in the country for that matter? It's not a very useful or informative statistic on its own...


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    #48
    Mike747
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 383 ✭✭Mike747


    MayoArsehole wrote: »
    Well that's alright for the small minority who are prepared to spend 6 maybe even 7 years in college just to work in the Heritage industry! or as Perfectisthe has had to do 2 post grads! what kind of job do you have Perfectisthe? is it fulltime and decently paid? Personally i'd prefer a real job than to graduate from a course that requires a post grad to have any chance of employment. Some people seem to prefer being an eternal student being always told that they just need another post grad and spend their working lives in college instead! there are no Heritage jobs out there for people with a B.A in Heritage, which does make Heritage graduates unlike graduates of any other course. Perfectisthe it is a degree in Humanities and not "Arts" by the way is it not?.

    So what exactly is a real job?

    I think its a shame that you're so bitter about Heritage Studies. Personally I think its good course. I've learned new skills from it. I'm finishing fourth year and will more than likely do an MA in history next autumn. Yes it will be tough finding a job but that is the reality for many graduates, no matter what the discipline. I may end up working in a shop for awhile but who knows what will happen in the future. And lets be realistic 6 or 7 years is not a long time in persons life.


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    #49
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    Buster10 wrote: »
    9 out of how many? And how does that compare to Heritage Studies in Galway? Or to any other Arts course anywhere in the country for that matter? It's not a very useful or informative statistic on its own...

    Was about 5 out of 30 in my 1st yr in Galway but to drop out of Heritage you would have to be not in the least intrested. it's not a hard course to stick at and pass. Wednesdays off!


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    #50
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    Mike747 wrote: »
    So what exactly is a real job?

    I think its a shame that you're so bitter about Heritage Studies. Personally I think its good course. I've learned new skills from it. I'm finishing fourth year and will more than likely do an MA in history next autumn. Yes it will be tough finding a job but that is the reality for many graduates, no matter what the discipline. I may end up working in a shop for awhile but who knows what will happen in the future. And lets be realistic 6 or 7 years is not a long time in persons life.

    Yup it's a shame but I can't but help being realistic after the 5 years on the dole I got in return for my degree. Funnily enough I was once quite dedicated but I don't think it done my understanding of Heritage any justice. Most students just saw it as a piece of paper. I disagree that 6 or 7 years is not a long time in a life, at my age (32) it seems it at least.


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    #51
    Mike747
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 383 ✭✭Mike747


    MayoArsehole wrote: »
    Yup it's a shame but I can't but help being realistic after the 5 years on the dole I got in return for my degree. Funnily enough I was once quite dedicated but I don't think it done my understanding of Heritage any justice. Most students just saw it as a piece of paper. I disagree that 6 or 7 years is not a long time in a life, at my age (32) it seems it at least.

    Well including the BETA I've been on the dole for 2 and a half years. I don't think its something to ashamed of in this day and age, as long you keep striving to improve yourself anyway.

    I believe education is never wasted, and I know heritage studies will stand to me no matter what road I go down. I would recommend the course to anyone who has an interest in history, archaeology, geography etc, but you should view it as a steeping stone to further education and decide if its for you or not.


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    #52
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    Mike747 wrote: »
    Well including the BETA I've been on the dole for 2 and a half years. I don't think its something to ashamed of in this day and age, as long you keep striving to improve yourself anyway.

    I believe education is never wasted, and I know heritage studies will stand to me no matter what road I go down. I would recommend the course to anyone who has an interest in history, archaeology, geography etc, but you should view it as a steeping stone to further education and decide if its for you or not.

    It was not wasted in the sense that now I know what kind of education is useless. 5 years on dole is shameful trust me especially because I never stopped striving to improve myself anyway.


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    #53
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    All in all Heritage is a waste of time to anybody with realistic aspirations of doing something with their lives or having a good job, people would be far better served completing a trade and emigrating. There is nothing in this country for Arts or Humanities graduates, Ireland has no place for culture anymore just minimum wage slaves who are going to repay the Banker and Developer 90 billion debt.


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    #54
    MacAibhne
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭MacAibhne


    MayoArsehole wrote: »
    All in all Heritage is a waste of time to anybody with realistic aspirations of doing something with their lives or having a good job, people would be far better served completing a trade and emigrating. There is nothing in this country for Arts or Humanities graduates, Ireland has no place for culture anymore just minimum wage slaves who are going to repay the Banker and Developer 90 billion debt.

    With an attitude like that you really are going to get nowhere. As a Heritage Student myself I find it quite horrible you would degrade a subject that so many of us feel strongly about and to make a mockery of it by saying most of us copy and paste and that its not hard is not on. No harm to you but you have chosen a wise name for your username as its quite fitting. I have found it hard at times and so have many of my friends also but all I can see is that either it was easier back in your day or else your just some sort of genius (who couldnt manage to get of the dole for 5 years and somehow feels its Heritage Studies fault). Sort your life out and quit complaining publicly looking for either sympathy or attention. :pac:


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    #55
    lollygmit1
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭lollygmit1


    anyway any employer just refers to heritage as a Humanities degree. Well at least that's my experience


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    #56
    MayoArsehole
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭MayoArsehole


    MacAibhne wrote: »
    With an attitude like that you really are going to get nowhere. As a Heritage Student myself I find it quite horrible you would degrade a subject that so many of us feel strongly about and to make a mockery of it by saying most of us copy and paste and that its not hard is not on. No harm to you but you have chosen a wise name for your username as its quite fitting. I have found it hard at times and so have many of my friends also but all I can see is that either it was easier back in your day or else your just some sort of genius (who couldnt manage to get of the dole for 5 years and somehow feels its Heritage Studies fault). Sort your life out and quit complaining publicly looking for either sympathy or attention. :pac:

    Actually I have a job in Penneys, that's what you get out of Heritage, a job in ****ing Penneys. With your attitude you are going to get far less farther than me ya fool. Good luck being Charles Dickens of the internet. No sympathy required, it was written for benefit of more intelligent people than you.


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    #57
    Diabhal Beag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    MayoArsehole and MacAibhne I don't know why both of you feel the need to be such dicks on a forum literally only here to assist prospective/current students. Cop on or you won't be posting on here much longer.


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    #58
    Wemysical
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭Wemysical


    Well I can't wait to study what I love in the coming year in Heritage studies, I can see that there isn't much job prospects in the current climate but I plan to either travel to Canada with the Honors BA or do a postgrad in Trinity or UCD, no way I'm going to settle for less :)


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    #59
    Marvel80
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Marvel80


    Good attitude Wemysical I have a Heritage Studies Degree and worked for O2 and got to assistant manager on €30,000 a year with 27 days holidays, people from my class manage heritage sites museums among other things if you have a realistic area of interest and a bit of focus you can and will get a job in time and no matter what you study now jobs are thin on the ground in Ireland. I am now studying Midwifery and its a really tough course and no jobs in Ireland but its more my passion than Heritage was so I will persue it and move abroad if I need too. I found Heritage Studies a great grounding course with many practical elements that prepare you for further study or working in the real world. Best of luck to anyone who studies it.


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    #60
    BigMan07
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭BigMan07


    I am currently in 3rd year heritage, i am just wondering when choosing between event management and a language which would be a better choice regarding more career opportunities


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    #61
    Mike747
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 383 ✭✭Mike747


    BigMan07 wrote: »
    I am currently in 3rd year heritage, i am just wondering when choosing between event management and a language which would be a better choice regarding more career opportunities

    Language definitely.


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