Birmingham v Man Utd (Mod warning #112)

copacetic · 09-01-2010 8:42pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

Dominating a match at the home ground of one of the most inform teams with the best defence in the league without a good few key players and getting a point out of it is garbage?

You have to be joking, your keeper and poor Birmingham finishing was the only thing that kept you in the game.

fkt · 09-01-2010 8:42pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

You might want to re-watch the replay.

You might want to check the offside rule.

IvySlayer · 09-01-2010 8:43pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

lol wat

Utd won 1 - 1, I'd imagine Ferguson is delighted with that result. As for the performance though...different story.

OK maybe dominating is a little strong, but United had far more possession, shots on target and corners.

It just frustrates me when people don't see United winning 3 - 0 they call the performance ****.

CHD · 09-01-2010 8:44pm

CHD wrote: »

Only responding to his wild accusations. I'm done with it! He can PM me to talk like I said

Anyway, the match.... 1-1 draw I think.

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[X] Genius

fkt · 09-01-2010 8:44pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The goal was a goal, correct decision from the referee in the end.

If a player intervenes and is offside then the whistle must be blown. Rooneys presence led to the defender intervene with the ball.

IvySlayer · 09-01-2010 8:45pm

CHD wrote: »

[ ] Troll

[X] Genius

Good lover?

Mr Alan · 09-01-2010 8:45pm

did fergie give an interview?

Mad_Max · 09-01-2010 8:46pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

did fergie give an interview?

Giving it now.

Probably another fine/ban for what he said about Clattenburg.

copacetic · 09-01-2010 8:46pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

did fergie give an interview?

just now, utd 'totally dominated' the game:D

MagicMarker · 09-01-2010 8:47pm

fkt wrote: »

You might want to check the offside rule.

Once again, you should watch a replay before embarrassing yourself any further.

Mitch Connor · 09-01-2010 8:48pm

fkt wrote: »

Wrong? I'm wrong? Do you know the offside rule?

do you? United player was in line. If any part of him was ahead it was his arm - and you can not legally score with your arm so that would not be offside anyway.

It simply was not offside - ref made the right call.

OPENROAD · 09-01-2010 8:48pm

copacetic wrote: »

just now, utd 'totally dominated' the game:D

Very soft sending off

Trizo · 09-01-2010 8:48pm

Game stats for anyone interested:

Possession
Birmingham 33% Man Utd 67%
Attempts on target
Birmingham 5 Man Utd 10
Attempts off target
Birmingham 1 Man Utd 4
Corners
Birmingham 2 Man Utd 12
Fouls
Birmingham 10 Man Utd 13

LuckyLloyd · 09-01-2010 8:49pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

OK maybe dominating is a little strong, but United had far more possession, shots on target and corners.

It just frustrates me when people don't see United winning 3 - 0 they call the performance ****.

Stats are the last refuge of the sporting scoundrel sometimes. One team had the better of this tie, and they weren't wearing red Jerseys.

Though I do agree with your sentiments regarding the standard perception of football fans.

nullzero · 09-01-2010 8:49pm

Trizo wrote: »

Game stats for anyone interested:

Possession
Birmingham 33% Man Utd 67%
Attempts on target
Birmingham 5 Man Utd 10
Attempts off target
Birmingham 1 Man Utd 4
Corners
Birmingham 2 Man Utd 12
Fouls
Birmingham 10 Man Utd

"Oh yeah? Well, you can prove anything with facts. can't you?" - Stewart Lee.

MisterAnarchy · 09-01-2010 8:49pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

OK maybe dominating is a little strong, but United had far more possession, shots on target and corners.

It just frustrates me when people don't see United winning 3 - 0 they call the performance ****.

Birmingham are a tough side to play against,they are a very ugly side and their 12 match unbeaten run is a reflection of the serious drop in standards in the EPL.
Birmingham are a very limited side .
Utd are really struggling to break down teams that sit back and get 9 men behind the ball at most times.
Rooney in particular is shown up when he is closely marked and denied space.

Mr Alan · 09-01-2010 8:50pm

Mad_Max wrote: »

Giving it now.

Probably another fine/ban for what he said about Clattenburg.

not likely, they only like to take action once over 2,342 times he does it.

CHD · 09-01-2010 8:50pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

Good lover?

Like I stated earlier I'm straight. Sorry! Try the George.

Trizo · 09-01-2010 8:50pm

nullzero wrote: »

"Oh yeah? Well, you can prove anything with facts. can't you?" - Stewart Lee.

"im not proving anything thems are the stats from the game for anyone thats interested =" problem ? have you ?

nullzero · 09-01-2010 8:53pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Stats are the last refuge of the sporting scoundrel sometimes. One team had the better of this tie, and they weren't wearing red Jerseys.

Though I do agree with your sentiments regarding the standard perception of football fans.

This was, as the cliche goes, a game of two halves.
Birmingham defended valiantly in the frist half, but were ultimately quite lucky not to concede, and twice as lucky to score againt a shambolic United defence.

In the second half Birmingham realised they could take the game to United and conceded an unfortunate own goal.

Over the course of the game a draw was fair.
United were terrible by their standards and Birmingham ultimatley didn't have what it took to finish off a United side that played 6 minutes of injury time with ten men.

Neither side were amazing and certainly didn't warrant three points.

nullzero · 09-01-2010 8:55pm

Trizo wrote: »

"im not proving anything thems are the stats from the game for anyone thats interested =" problem ? have you ?

I was being disingenuous.
The stats contradicted the anti United sentiment quite conclusivly.
I wasn't having a go.

Trizo · 09-01-2010 8:56pm

nullzero wrote: »

I was being disingenuous.
The stats contradicted the anti United sentiment quite conclusivly.
I wasn't having a go.

apologies realised that after the post

IvySlayer · 09-01-2010 8:58pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Stats are the last refuge of the sporting scoundrel sometimes. One team had the better of this tie, and they weren't wearing red Jerseys.

Though I do agree with your sentiments regarding the standard perception of football fans.

United played OK I thought. They beat the leagues best defence atm. They got a point out of the toughest place to go atm with some key players out. And they managed to do it while playing with 10 men (although for like 8 minutes + injury time :pac:)

I just don't see it as a bad performance.

MementoMori · 09-01-2010 8:58pm

nullzero wrote: »

"Oh yeah? Well, you can prove anything with facts. can't you?" - Stewart Lee.

What about proving that you can't prove anything with facts.
Can you prove that with facts?

Circular logic.

A major problem for Utd is that if Rooney has a quiet game/is effectively marked, there really isn't anyone else in the team who could be described as a consistent game-winner.

nullzero · 09-01-2010 9:01pm

MementoMori wrote: »

What about proving that you can't prove anything with facts.
Can you prove that with facts?

Circular logic.

A major problem for Utd is that if Rooney has a quiet game/is effectively marked, there really isn't anyone else in the team who could be described as a consistent game-winner.

Watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n-UGQcG3Jw

RasTa · 09-01-2010 9:04pm

No more Park please, kinda glad I'm home already.

MementoMori · 09-01-2010 9:15pm

nullzero wrote: »

Watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n-UGQcG3Jw

Mind = Blown

keano_afc · 09-01-2010 9:17pm

Fair play to Brum, was very disappionted after we dropped points earlier but dont feel so bad now.

nullzero · 09-01-2010 9:18pm

MementoMori wrote: »

Mind = Blown

He's a great comedian, very under rated imo.

RasTa · 09-01-2010 9:23pm

nullzero wrote: »

He's a great comedian, very under rated imo.

One of the best of the past decade.

nullzero · 09-01-2010 10:35pm

RasTa wrote: »

One of the best of the past decade.

41st in the world E4 reckons;)

citytillidie · 09-01-2010 11:47pm

Just watching the highlights, how did Scoles not even give away a free kick for that kick on Benítez

mark renton · 10-01-2010 12:04am

it must be a sad state of affairs when giggs and scholes are making the team

Mars Bar · 10-01-2010 1:42am

Ugh, I knew the minute I saw that we were putting out a "Mighty Ducks Flying V" midfield formation, that we weren't going to get too much out of that game. We saw in the Leeds game that that formation does not work. It's so messy and painful to watch.

Add that to Birmingham's defensive style of play and that was one crappy match to watch.

CHD · 10-01-2010 9:36am

Love it tbh

MementoMori · 10-01-2010 11:13am

mars bar wrote: »

Ugh, I knew the minute I saw that we were putting out a "Mighty Ducks Flying V" midfield formation, that we weren't going to get too much out of that game. We saw in the Leeds game that that formation does not work. It's so messy and painful to watch.

Add that to Birmingham's defensive style of play and that was one crappy match to watch.

Great description.

So is the general feeling that Fergie got it wrong in terms of formation yesterday?

I thought going 4-5-1 played right into Birmingham's hands from the start.

I'd imagine Michael Owen is a rather unhappy camper today given Diouf was brought on and he was left on the bench. A spot on the plane to South Africa looks to be moving out of view.

deisedevil · 10-01-2010 11:26am

MementoMori wrote: »

Great description.

So is the general feeling that Fergie got it wrong in terms of formation yesterday?

I thought going 4-5-1 played right into Birmingham's hands from the start.

I'd imagine Michael Owen is a rather unhappy camper today given Diouf was brought on and he was left on the bench. A spot on the plane to South Africa looks to be moving out of view.

Why did he bother with Owen at all if he's not going to use him. I think he was hoping for a Macheda moment from Diouf.

4-5-1 was a poor decision same as going 3 at the back against Fulham was a poor decision.

Yet again Fergie attacks the officials: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5850539,00.html

Broken record Fergie, time you had a look at your own faults this season.

ShamoBuc · 10-01-2010 12:36pm

deisedevil wrote: »

Broken record Fergie, time you had a look at your own faults this season.

Never has a truer word been spoken!!

eagle eye · 10-01-2010 1:12pm

MementoMori wrote: »

Great description.

So is the general feeling that Fergie got it wrong in terms of formation yesterday?

I thought going 4-5-1 played right into Birmingham's hands from the start.

I'd imagine Michael Owen is a rather unhappy camper today given Diouf was brought on and he was left on the bench. A spot on the plane to South Africa looks to be moving out of view.

I thought the formation was fine, the players were the problem. As I said yesterday, Park did not help out Evra when he got forward. Valencia was isolated for much of the game receiving no support whatsoever from Rafael.
Even with those problems United still managed to dominate the first half. The problem is the wide players did not spread out Birmingham enough and its down to Park and Rafael imo.
Michael Owen is useful when United are ahead, his pace and accuracy can be used when the other team have to come out of their own box. That game never was suited to him yesterday. United need a targetman, I said they should have bought Heskey last January, they need somebody like that to help them open up tight defenses.

Mars Bar · 10-01-2010 2:27pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I thought the formation was fine, the players were the problem. As I said yesterday, Park did not help out Evra when he got forward. Valencia was isolated for much of the game receiving no support whatsoever from Rafael.
Even with those problems United still managed to dominate the first half. The problem is the wide players did not spread out Birmingham enough and its down to Park and Rafael imo.
Michael Owen is useful when United are ahead, his pace and accuracy can be used when the other team have to come out of their own box. That game never was suited to him yesterday. United need a targetman, I said they should have bought Heskey last January, they need somebody like that to help them open up tight defenses.

They didn't get help because the formation meant that they were really high up the pitch. Valencia might as well have just stood beside Rooney for the whole match. I don't think Park actually understood the formation.

It's not all down to the formation though, the lads just don't have the bite in them.

CR 7 · 10-01-2010 3:01pm

mars bar wrote: »

They didn't get help because the formation meant that they were really high up the pitch. Valencia might as well have just stood beside Rooney for the whole match. I don't think Park actually understood the formation.

It's not all down to the formation though, the lads just don't have the bite in them.

That's racist.

:pac:

SlickRic · 10-01-2010 3:14pm

my 2 cents...

utd huffed and puffed in terms of their play in the attacking third a lot yesterday, without ever really carving Birmingham open, apart from a Rooney chance in the first half.

Brum stuck to their gameplan, and it worked.

Jerome and Chucho are a hell of a handful, with Evans and Brown never looking comfortable at all.

this is a very odd season. teams, by and large, are more resilient than ever, and utd really are missing that special something for these kinds of games. so much rests on Rooney's shoulders, it's frightening at times. much like Liverpool with Torres in a lot of ways.

Owen's lack of game time is baffling too.

A good point for Birmingham, but dare I say it was a pretty good point for Utd too?

anonymous_joe · 10-01-2010 3:22pm

deisedevil wrote: »

Why did he bother with Owen at all if he's not going to use him. I think he was hoping for a Macheda moment from Diouf.

4-5-1 was a poor decision same as going 3 at the back against Fulham was a poor decision.

Yet again Fergie attacks the officials: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5850539,00.html

Broken record Fergie, time you had a look at your own faults this season.

What he says in public and private I'd wager are very different things.

john47832 wrote: »

introspective Fergie - not a chance, he just reaches for another bottle of whisky

What a crock of shíte.

He's been the best manager in British football ever. That didn't happen without a capacity for introspection. He's not going to plaster his real thoughts all over the media though, because that would be retarded.

We were poor yesterday, but not in the usual way. We weren't really dominated anywhere, the only problem was up front. We were playing through the flanks all game, but with fcuk all coherence in the bits I saw.

Plenty of good runs from Rafael, Valencia and Evra, but never in concert with each other. As well as that, Rooney's not a bloody targetman. He's short. You cannot just cross the ball into him constantly. That's where Berbatov excels. He's got an awesome first touch, power and height. Rooney has all of those but the height, and it was crucial weakness yesterday.

mark renton · 10-01-2010 4:13pm

Fergie is too old now for the job now and should leave with some dignity left if possible, if a younger more in touch manager was in charge utd might still have ronaldo playing, the team just hasnt improved this season and its the sole responsibility of the manager to improve the team - blaming officials is childish at this stage

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SlickRic · 10-01-2010 4:32pm

john47832 wrote: »

Fergie is too old now for the job now and should leave with some dignity left if possible, if a younger more in touch manager was in charge utd might still have ronaldo playing, the team just hasnt improved this season and its the sole responsibility of the manager to improve the team - blaming officials is childish at this stage

one question, and one question only...

are you serious?

the modern football fan.

wow.

deisedevil · 10-01-2010 4:33pm

john47832 wrote: »

Fergie is too old now for the job now and should leave with some dignity left if possible, if a younger more in touch manager was in charge utd might still have ronaldo playing, the team just hasnt improved this season and its the sole responsibility of the manager to improve the team - blaming officials is childish at this stage

You have to be kidding me. He's made a few mistakes this season but we're still second in the league. He's not done yet, every time someone says Fergies finished they get proven wrong time and time again.

I'm sick of listening to Fergie rant about officials too but he's just trying to create distractions from the real problems.

mark renton · 10-01-2010 4:39pm

deisedevil wrote: »

I'm sick of listening to Fergie rant about officials too but he's just trying to create distractions from the real problems.

i agree - the real problem being HIMSELF

SlickRic · 10-01-2010 4:42pm

john47832 wrote: »

i agree - the real problem being HIMSELF

did you not see the rest of his post?

he does it to distract attention away from the real problems.

all managers do it.

you think he'd have been moaning about the time and the officials if his team had won?

of course not.

deisedevil · 10-01-2010 4:43pm

john47832 wrote: »

i agree - the real problem being HIMSELF

Not completely down to him but some of it is yes. But are you really one of those who likes to see a manager ousted as soon as things start to slip a bit?
Have you any idea of Fergies history at Man Utd and how he started off?

Complete lack of respect for the man and poor judgement to suggest he should be fired and anyways it aint gonna happen, not until he wants it to happen.

Birmingham v Man Utd (Mod warning #112)

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