Sending out an SOS.- Pool and its future

cournioni

pajodublin wrote: »

im not going to bother replying to you as there are too many words to describe people like you.
Unfortunately each one is a bannable offence on here.

See the other thread.......... ******* ****

Go on, say it...

I am merely pointing out the FACHTS buddy.

pajodublin

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Go on, say it...

I am merely pointing out the FACHTS buddy.

and get myself banned, yeah that would be a success don't ya think

cournioni

pajodublin wrote: »

and get myself banned, yeah that would be a success don't ya think

The pm box is there for a reason. Seriously, what have I said that has annoyed you, apart from pointing out a few things that you mightn't like.

pajodublin

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

The pm box is there for a reason. Seriously, what have I said that has annoyed you, apart from pointing out a few things that you mightn't like.

look mate, i agree with the base points you have made
It wasnt right that munich chant was sung at an event like that (or any event i suppose)
But its been done on both sides for years and as i pointed out even the players gettin involved in certain chants they shouldnt have.

The simple fact is, you cant talk to a "customer" like that and get away with it.
I dont know if anyone paid the price in SOS for what happened
Your right in saying they shouldver pulled the plug.
But it didnt and it got out (stupidly i might add)

Im generally a calm person but some bile gets thrown around on here so much so often by all sets of supporter it just gets on my tits.

EDIT: My punctuation and grammar is terrible. in work trying not to be caught on boards

x in the city

pajodublin wrote: »

you my friend are clueless, i will deal with each point in succession


How is that then...nailed on... the top 3 are playing just as badly as everyone else. Utd have lost 5 games this season. we are only half way through a very long season. It only takes a few wins on the trot and peoples (like you)views will suddenly change.....


Toothless, i dont think so. Agreed the squad is a lot weaker but i seem to remember us beating chelsea and utd without them last season!!!

He has consistently improved the squad with very little funding for the past couple of seasons. Squad depth has suffered because his need to sell to buy. dont you get that. Rafa's not untouchable. He has made a few strange calls but i fully support as the manager of the club as there is no one out there who would have put up with the **** he has since G&H bought the club.

you really do not watch a lot of football do you

Arsenal havent won anything in 5 years and there is not a mention of wenger gettin the boot

Ferguson went on a dry spell as chelsea were becoming a footballing power and some fans were calling for his head and he didnt get the bump....

Stop being the armchair, tabloid reading sky watching, ronnnie whelan touting supporter that you are, and look at the club for what it is at the moment...IN SERIOUS FINANCIAL TROUBLE BECAUSE OF THE YANKS

rose tinted glasses eh....

if you look a bit further into the history of LFC you will see there is little difference between Everton and Liverpool in terms of them last winning a league title.

during that time the difference in expenditure of both clubs is vast.. and we know who has spent the most.

but carry on with raffa by all means... he has taken ye to a stage now where victories of lower league clubs is not guaranteed, let alone a title.

Mr Alan

x in the city, where has Moyes brought you? If we're judging rafa on where the team is now, despite all the troubles we've had this season, we're still comfortably ahead of everton

mayordenis

x in the city wrote: »

rose tinted glasses eh....

if you look a bit further into the history of LFC you will see there is little difference between Everton and Liverpool in terms of them last winning a league title.

during that time the difference in expenditure of both clubs is vast.. and we know who has spent the most.

but carry on with raffa by all means... he has taken ye to a stage now where victories of lower league clubs is not guaranteed, let alone a title.

6 months of poor results in 5 and a half years of improvement, we're not all that fickle.
Wins over any team is never a guarantee, we're not that disrespectful.

You're basically talking ****e and I have no idea why you spell his name "Raffa" some phantom second F for no reason.

x in the city

x in the city wrote: »

rose tinted glasses eh....

if you look a bit further into the history of LFC you will see there is little difference between Everton and Liverpool in terms of them last winning a league title.

during that time the difference in expenditure of both clubs is vast.. and we know who has spent the most.

but carry on with raffa by all means... he has taken ye to a stage now where victories of lower league clubs is not guaranteed, let alone a title.

You cannot hide your hate of Liverpool in all your posts, slagging us off at every opportunity. It's very tedious.

You cannot expect your posts to be taken seriously when you support Everton.

Spiritoftheseventies

Everton had a very good team in the eighties. But not the force that they were.

monkey9

bayviewclose wrote: »

Everton had a very good team in the eighties. But not the force that they were.

What's that got to do with anything??

Spiritoftheseventies

monkey9 wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything??

Got to do with Everton being a good team once and that we were discussing them like

ilovelamp2000

My feelings on SOS are known to anyone who read the superthread so I won't go into them again.

With regard to it being claimed as a victory for SOS, if it is it's an incredibly minor one. Hicks Jnr. has simply been replaced by someone from Hicks' other companies.

It didn't change the balance at boardroom level, it changed nothing about the ownership. It's business as usual already. Because Hicks Jnr has stepped down the club have cut short any mileage SOS might seek to derive from it.

P.S. - Mayordenis - I admire your morals.

Kess - You own this thread.

Spiritoftheseventies

Rosco1982 wrote: »

P.S. - Mayordenis - I admire your morals.

Kess - You own this thread.

Actually as its creator i do, Kess is my guest at the moment

everdead.ie

Rosco1982 wrote: »

My feelings on SOS are known to anyone who read the superthread so I won't go into them again.

With regard to it being claimed as a victory for SOS, if it is it's an incredibly minor one. Hicks Jnr. has simply been replaced by someone from Hicks' other companies.

It didn't change the balance at boardroom level, it changed nothing about the ownership. It's business as usual already. Because Hicks Jnr has stepped down the club have cut short any mileage SOS might seek to derive from it.

P.S. - Mayordenis - I admire your morals.

Kess - You own this thread.

How long till we find out he got A HUGE golden handshake that is bigger then rafas transfer budget:pac:

flahavaj

It consistently amazes me how many people, especially Liverpool fans cannot spell Bill Shankly's name right. :eek:

ilovelamp2000

everdead.ie wrote: »

How long till we find out he got A HUGE golden handshake that is bigger then rafas transfer budget:pac:

I doubt he was getting paid much (if anything) for sitting on the board. And he resigned so he isn't entitled to anything.

He'll still be getting a wedge from one of Daddy's other companies though, Tommy won't go hungry.

Spiritoftheseventies

flahavaj wrote: »

It consistently amazes me how many people, especially Liverpool fans cannot spell Bill Shankly's name right. :eek:

A lot harder to spell than SAF to be honest

Le King

flahavaj wrote: »

It consistently amazes me how many people, especially Liverpool fans cannot spell Bill Shankly's name right. :eek:

FYP

x in the city

Mr Alan wrote: »

x in the city, where has Moyes brought you? If we're judging rafa on where the team is now, despite all the troubles we've had this season, we're still comfortably ahead of everton

this is an SOS about LFC...:rolleyes:

Anyways

Moyes has brought one thing to the club that Liverpool can only dream of

stability, and an understanding chairman and board.

As it stands Everton have been the only club in recent years to breach the sky monolopy. He has worked miracles with his budget and more importantly his injury problems., Liverpool have struggled with Torres and Gerrard off form, lets see them perform with as many key players out as Everton.

And Moyes, he has got balls to put his trust in teenagers who live at home with their mom into the first team.

Not spend million on players like Keane and play them a few times and off load them again...


But carry on as I said...:)

x in the city

monkey9 wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything??

true, but that could ring true for both clubs. but hard core Evertonians would say the current squad is the best ever, and Moyes only recruits quality to his squad now (Donovan).

I don't hate Liverpool at all, contrary to popular belief

I just think that some supporters need to get their heads out of their ass and remove their rose tinted glasses.

the true story is that clubs like Arsenal, Man United and Chelsea are in a different galaxy to Liverpool (and Everton).

Chelsea and Man U are going thru a woeful spell but still miles ahead.

flahavaj

Moyes has doe an absolutely incredible job at Everton, on a pretty small budget. Its easily comparable to the job Benitez has done at liverpool, when you take into account the relative sizes of the clubs and the realistic targets both clubs should be setting themselves.

x in the city

flahavaj wrote: »

Moyes has doe an absolutely incredible job at Everton, on a pretty small budget. Its easily comparable to the job Benitez has done at liverpool, when you take into account the relative sizes of the clubs and the realistic targets both clubs should be setting themselves.

well you have hit it on the head there..

the target of Everton up until quite recent was to stay in the top flight. we used to be a club every team loved playing, but them days are gone thanks to Moyes.

Liverpool's target is in a different league, they are competing for major honours in Europe and expected to challenge for titles year in and year out and on them counts Raffa has being a failure., can anyone suggest otherwise?

his signings have been terrible (bar Torres), he has brought zero players up thru the youth scheme.

For the money he has spent it could be argued any team could have finished in the top 4 and competed in Europe, certainly Everton would and I'm sure Spurs, Villa would also.

At the end of it all he has one (very fortunate and miracle CL success) to show for it, don't give me the FA Cup as its down the list of priorities clubs like Liverpool should be aiming for.


Everton fans don't go into a season expecting to win a league title but Liverpool fans do, and thats the crux of the whole discussion.


so, here we are, in the grand year of 2010 and both clubs are as close to winning a title as each other.

flahavaj

x in the city wrote: »

well you have hit it on the head there..

the target of Everton up until quite recent was to stay in the top flight. we used to be a club every team loved playing, but them days are gone thanks to Moyes.

Liverpool's target is in a different league, they are competing for major honours in Europe and expected to challenge for titles year in and year out and on them counts Raffa has being a failure., can anyone suggest otherwise?

his signings have been terrible (bar Torres), he has brought zero players up thru the youth scheme.

For the money he has spent it could be argued any team could have finished in the top 4 and competed in Europe, certainly Everton would and I'm sure Spurs, Villa would also.

At the end of it all he has one (very fortunate and miracle CL success) to show for it, don't give me the FA Cup as its down the list of priorities clubs like Liverpool should be aiming for.


Everton fans don't go into a season expecting to win a league title but Liverpool fans do, and thats the crux of the whole discussion.


so, here we are, in the grand year of 2010 and both clubs are as close to winning a title as each other.

My intention wasn't so much to put down Rafa as to stand up for Moyes. I think Moyes is an absolutely superb manager. Ironically, having proven he can do well under strict financial restrictions he would actually be the perfect fit for Liverpool if/when Rafa is gone.

There are many many flaws in your post btw, but I'll leave it to the Pool buys ti pick them apart I'm too tired.

mayordenis

x in the city wrote: »

well you have hit it on the head there..

the target of Everton up until quite recent was to stay in the top flight. we used to be a club every team loved playing, but them days are gone thanks to Moyes.

Liverpool's target is in a different league, they are competing for major honours in Europe and expected to challenge for titles year in and year out and on them counts Raffa has being a failure., can anyone suggest otherwise?

Absolutely I can suggest otherwise, nice double standard, where were liverpool before Rafa arrived?
Liverpool basically had 1 good season between 1990 and 2004 before Rafa Arrived, since then we've been in the last 4 in europe 3 times, obviously won the champions league, the FA cup, had our must succesful season in the Premier League since it began.
But no, Moyes has lifted Everton, Rafa has failed.
Absolute ****e.

x in the city wrote: »

his signings have been terrible (bar Torres), he has brought zero players up thru the youth scheme.

Reina
Agger
Johnson
Aurelio
Mascherano
Alonso
Garcia
Benayoun
Kuyt

all fantastic purchases

Insua has just broken through
Kelly, San Jose, Ayala all have bright futures in our back 4, with Kelly and Ayala getting game time in our first team and San Jose doing very well at Bilbao.
Pacheco is going to be big.
Likewise Nemeth, Lauri Della Valle also looking like one of the hottest prospects.

You shouldn't talk about a youth setup you clearly know **** all about.

x in the city wrote: »

For the money he has spent it could be argued any team could have finished in the top 4 and competed in Europe, certainly Everton would and I'm sure Spurs, Villa would also.

At the end of it all he has one (very fortunate and miracle CL success) to show for it, don't give me the FA Cup as its down the list of priorities clubs like Liverpool should be aiming for.

Everton fans don't go into a season expecting to win a league title but Liverpool fans do, and thats the crux of the whole discussion.

so, here we are, in the grand year of 2010 and both clubs are as close to winning a title as each other.

Well I think villa's spend is encroaching on ours, as with Tottenham and now Man City, no real sign of them winnning a champions league any time soon.

How are we as close as each other? baffling, anyway that's my attempt at dissecting your ****e, but then again if you dissect a big pile of ****e your just going to end up with smalled ****e and probably just more coverage.

x in the city

Im sorry, but I have no idea who half of them 'fringe' players are and Id wager most other supporters of other teams dont either.

We are as close as each other to winning a title as in we both wont win a title now or next season or the season after that.

:rolleyes:

But no, Moyes has lifted Everton, Rafa has failed.
Absolute ****e.

of course Moyes has been a success, I dont think you read my post at all.

He would have have managed resources much better than Raffa, who has been nothing short or a disgrace with the way he spent money.

But other teams im sure are delighted that Pool fans like yourself hold Raffa in such high esteem.

It seems 'that' cl success has meant Raffa is untouchable.

mayordenis

x in the city wrote: »

Im sorry, but I have no idea who half of them 'fringe' players are and Id wager most other supporters of other teams dont either.

Ok you don't know who they are - great you proved my point, don't comment as you don't know anything about it.

jesus_thats_gre

This is amazing.

Jack Bauer999

mayordenis wrote: »

Absolutely I can suggest otherwise, nice double standard, where were liverpool before Rafa arrived?
Liverpool basically had 1 good season between 1990 and 2004 before Rafa Arrived, since then we've been in the last 4 in europe 3 times, obviously won the champions league, the FA cup, had our must succesful season in the Premier League since it began.
But no, Moyes has lifted Everton, Rafa has failed.
Absolute ****e.



the champions league was won with the previous managers team bar 1
or 2 players.

Jesus its a long way liverpool FC have fallen if your desperate enough to have to count an FA cup win, a few semis in the champions league and a second on the league in 6 years as great achievements!

interestingly as much as he is slated houllier has won more trophies for liverpool than benetiz has in the 6 years!

leninbenjamin

mayordenis wrote: »

Reina yes
Agger talented but not really done anything to merit the label
Johnson way too early to say, but Pool did pay way over the odds for him
Aurelio someone who is injured so much cannot considered a fantastic purchase.
Mascherano yes
Alonso yes
Garcia Dear God No. People have really let themselves be blinded by his important goals. Gave the ball away so often he caused more problems than he fixed, just about did enough to justify his fee
Benayoun A decent squad player
Kuyt one dimensional player bought as a striker but not good enough to fulfill this role. decent on the wing but not up to the standards Pool require

all fantastic purchases

So, no, not all fantastic purchases. Certainly not a list that conveys any particular gift of Benitez in the transfer market tbh. It's an average transfer record tbh.

Spiritoftheseventies

Jack Bauer999 wrote: »

the champions league was won with the previous managers team bar 1
or 2 players.

Jesus its a long way liverpool FC have fallen if your desperate enough to have to count an FA cup win, a few semis in the champions league and a second on the league in 6 years as great achievements!

interestingly as much as he is slated houllier has won more trophies for liverpool than benetiz has in the 6 years!

three of those trophies came in one season so that is a very deceptive statistic. We were struggling under Houllier to make champions league when he left. Rafa has made us far more competitve for the most part.

Dont be at yourself

So, how about that Spirit of Shankly, eh?

Mitch Connor

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

So, how about that Spirit of Shankly, eh?

Who are they?

Spiritoftheseventies

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Who are they?

The official supporters union

x in the city

x in the city wrote: »

well you have hit it on the head there..

the target of Everton up until quite recent was to stay in the top flight. we used to be a club every team loved playing, but them days are gone thanks to Moyes.

Liverpool's target is in a different league, they are competing for major honours in Europe and expected to challenge for titles year in and year out and on them counts Raffa has being a failure., can anyone suggest otherwise?

his signings have been terrible (bar Torres), he has brought zero players up thru the youth scheme.

For the money he has spent it could be argued any team could have finished in the top 4 and competed in Europe, certainly Everton would and I'm sure Spurs, Villa would also.

At the end of it all he has one (very fortunate and miracle CL success) to show for it, don't give me the FA Cup as its down the list of priorities clubs like Liverpool should be aiming for.


Everton fans don't go into a season expecting to win a league title but Liverpool fans do, and thats the crux of the whole discussion.


so, here we are, in the grand year of 2010 and both clubs are as close to winning a title as each other.

Lol.

Just lol

Max Power1

bayviewclose wrote: »

Everton LIVERPOOLhad a very good team in the eighties. But not the force that they were.

fyp :rolleyes:

Spiritoftheseventies

bayviewclose wrote: »

Everton Liverpool had a very good team in the eighties. But not the force that they were even though they got to two champions league finals and won one during their time of transition

fmp

Dub13

Folks lets not turn this into a Liverpool V Everton dick off.

Spiritoftheseventies

Dub13 wrote: »

Folks lets not turn this into a Liverpool V Everton dick off.

agreed.

ziggy

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Spiritoftheseventies

anyway for anyone who hasnt seen this this from todays Liverpool echo. Thanks to Torresistheman for providing this btw

LIVERPOOL Managing Director Christian Purslow today confirmed the club could have new investors within the next few months – as he insisted top stars like Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard would never be sold.

Purslow revealed he is now deep into the process of whittling down potential interested parties – of which there are several.

If successful that could ultimately involve part ownership with current American joint club owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett – or even someone completely buying them out.

The Reds supremo who took over from Rick Parry last year, spoke following the resignation on Monday of director Tom Hicks Jnr, son of co-owner Tom Hicks, after an email row with a fan.

He insisted all money recouped in the January transfer window would be available to manager Rafa Benitez to invest in replacements.

Purslow’s firm declaration that players like Torres and Gerrard would be going nowhere followed weekend newspaper headlines which claimed Benitez had acknowledged the duo might one day have to be sold.

Benitez was known to be very angry with the way he was represented over Torres and club captain Steven Gerrard – and Purslow completely dismissed the notion of Liverpool ever being a “selling club”.

The former city banker and lifelong Liverpool fan told the ECHO: “Nothing could be further from the truth than reports which suggested the club would choose to sell its star footballers. Full stop.

“The idea that we would ever wish to sell our top players is completely against the interests of this club.

“In fact our key priority since the summer has been to secure our senior players on long term improved contracts, because we remain of the view that our starting eleven compares with anybody in the Premier League.

“Our plan – and what we are working on – is to try and improve the team; not to be so stupid as to reduce the quality of our squad.

e suggestion in any way that we would sell players in order to pay down debt or pay money to our owners is preposterous. Neither is true. Neither is possible.

“Any proceeds we generate from the sale of players can only go into our player account for the recruitment of new players.

“It’s in the public domain that the owners have been looking to bring new investors in to the club to pay down the club’s existing debts – which are today about £237m – by way of issuing new shares which would dilute their shareholding in the club. That process is ongoing.

“The debt we have today is obviously serviced by the club in terms of interest and bank fees and if we reduce our debt then clearly those interest charges and bank fees will reduce.”

Liverpool fans, led by supporters group the Spirit of Shankly, have long since campaigned for Hicks and Gillett to leave the club and sell it to new owners.

On the prospect of new investment, Purslow said: “Inevitably when you run an investment process of this kind in the early stages many, many people have a look.

“Much of the challenge in these processes is to sort out the serious and the real interest from people who are unlikely to make an investment.

“I think it’s fair to say as we now move into the New Year that we are whittling down the interest to a smaller number – maybe a handful of serious groups who are interested in investing in Liverpool. And in the coming couple of months our job is to sort those into ultimately an investor that makes sense for everyone concerned.”

He stressed: “Provided all goes well, there is a serious possibility of new fresh investment into Liverpool Football Club within the foreseeable future.

“There are no guarantees – we are operating in an environment where, as everybody knows outside football and in football, it hasn’t been the most active investment market for the last 18 months. But largely because of the quality of Liverpool Football Club, both as a club and as a business, we haven’t had problems in attracting interest.

“However, the devil is always in the detail and in coming months our job is to get somebody over the line that makes sense for all concerned.

“That could be part ownership or it could be complete ownership.”

Purslow is continuing his efforts to get the club’s new stadium dreams back on track – and insists the success of that dream is critical to Liverpool’s continued future as a European giant – one which can finally realise its full potential. He is both confident and determined to make a new stadium a reality.

He said: “The stadium is absolutely central to the club’s strategic development because with a new stadium comes a transformation in the financial resources of Liverpool that can be ploughed back into the core of our activity - which is our playing squad.

“The good news is that all potential investors are attracted to Liverpool by the prospect of building a new stadium and participating in the transformation in the value of the club associated with that project.

“Also positive is the fact that late last year, the bank market was essentially shut. It’s now very much open for business and a number of banks are very interested in financing our new stadium.

“However, a condition of all those banks’ interest is that in the first instance, we have brought new investment into the club.

“So I see it as a two step process – new investment in the next couple of months which reduces our existing debt to a very low level, to enable us then to push on with discussions with banks about financing the stadium.

“It’s that stadium which holds the key to us transforming our fortunes both economically and in football terms.

“It’s too early to name names but rest assured I want the fans to feel fully informed and when we home in on a small number of parties, subject to normal confidentiality provisions, I hope to be able to give people more of an update in the next month or two.”

Asked if he understood the continuing frustrations of the fans and what his message to them was, he said: “Don’t forget, I’m a fan and I desperately want to help the club move to the next level as soon as possible.

“In fact that’s why I’m here – for no other reason.

“While we are looking for new investment, the important thing is that we run the business as well as possible. The football and the business side must work seamlessly together in a co-ordinated way and ensure we are giving the football side of Liverpool everything it needs..

“As a fan I believe we must stay behind the team, keep positive and believe that with all our star players on the pitch in the second half of the campaign we might well be looking back on a very successful end of season from where we sit today. That’s my true hope and belief – we have every opportunity to do that.”

Asked about the January transfer window which has been the subject of much speculation and debate, he said: “The position is that January in general is not a high priority time for Rafa in terms of player acquisitions. That is largely because of the lack of availability of top quality players.

“We have taken the opportunity in the window to move out a couple of players (Dossena and Voronin) who weren’t playing frequently and we are looking at one or two replacement players.

“The key point is we will not sell a footballer if we can’t find a better or equal replacement.

“At the same time we are totally focused on results; wanting to have a successful second half of the season and we would not want to leave our squad short compared to where we are today.

“So I don’t rule out the possibility that we do sell another player – but only if the manger is happy he’s found a comparable player or better. And if not, we wont sell any of our players - because we don’t want to be short.”

He added: “The money brought in from player sales in January and which might yet be brought in will not be going to pay off debt.

“It cannot and it will not.

“Money we generate by selling footballers goes straight into our player account to be used to replace those players in the transfer market.

“The overall message right now as we head into 2010 is that, slowly but surely on the strategic side, we are making progress towards finding new investment which is the key to unlocking a new stadium. And that stadium is the single event that will transform the financial prospects of Liverpool.

“Meantime I hope and believe we are running our club sensibly, with a total focus on the business of Liverpool supporting our manager and the football operations.

“From my perspective if we have opportunities in January to make positive changes then great. If not we will wait until summer when there’s a much more active transfer market.”

Purlsow is now seven months into his role - during which time Anfield’s Kirkdale-born Commercial Director Ian Ayre pulled off the biggest shirt sponsorship deal in British football history – an agreement with Standard Chartered Bank worth £80m.

Purslow reflected: “Obviously the most important aspect of any club is how we are doing on the field and I don’t think any of us had expected the first half of the season that we have had.

“That said, I’m very confident now that the vast majority of our players are fit and well, we’ll see a transformation in our results in the second half of the season.

“But in terms of the business side of Liverpool, day to day things could not have gone better.

“Commercially, I think the business is better than I expected and performing better than I expected.

“And obviously my number one priority remains the strategic issue of bringing in new investment – and that is probably about where I would have expected it to be.

“Going into the New Year I hoped that the initial process would have identified a smaller group of serious people who are interested in investing in Liverpool – and that’s where we are today.

“While there can be no guarantees, I am confident and optimistic that in the next couple of months one of them will be brought to fruition.

“The process of bringing in new investment and reducing our current debt will create a context whereby we can seriously get back on track the stadium project.

“That project remains my key priority, because it is that which holds the key to transforming the club’s financial position."

x in the city

mayordenis wrote: »

Ok you don't know who they are - great you proved my point, don't comment as you don't know anything about it.

since Rafa has been in charge his success.....

CL Winners 2004/2005
fa cup 2005/2006
charity shield 2006
super cup 2005


lets see how their competitors fared

Chelsea

domestic titles x 2
fa cups x 2
league cups x 2
charity shield x 2


Man United

domestic titles x 3
fa cup x 1
league cup x 2
charity shield x 2.5
cl x 1
world club cup x 1


Arsenal

domestic title x 1
league cup x 1
charity shield x 1

6 domestic titles have gone during his time in charge..

if you rate that a 'success', then amen to that.

winning the cl was a great achievement but thats about as far as it goes, pompey also won a fa cup during that period. his signings and expenditure and strength of the squad now such that ye cant beat championship sides.

I wont even get to his post match interview comments.