Pamela Izbec...Izabec....Iz....whatev, has new faked documents

imme

AH seems a funny/odd place to post this.

Bandit12

The woman is a disgrace but we are the real mugs here in this country letting her get away with this ****.

marcsignal

Don't you mean "Pamela Onherwayhome" ? :pac:

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Bandit12

TechnoPool wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls

What's that got to do with this thread?

marcsignal

do.ob wrote: »

The way people go on you'd swear gaining refugee status was the easiest thing in the world.

well one thing's for sure, she, because of her scamming antics, is unfortunately going to make it a lot harder for genuine cases to get asylum in the future, that is the real tragedy here, imo.

CCCP^

dsmythy wrote: »

She's not alone either in ruining it for actual refugees who make up the minority of asylum applications. We should really take actual refugees straight from their camps and end this whole asylum application process we have.

+1

Those people are genuinely suffering. How did this woman get to Ireland anyway? Last time I looked at a map Nigeria is a couple of hundred miles away from Ireland. You'd have to take a couple of flights before you could land here, why didn't she declare asylum in any of those countries?

sock puppet

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Educate...not force.

It's up to their African neighbours to try that, not some European country. Nothing an Irish person says will make any difference to their practices. There's also no evidence that her children would be subjected to it, so it's not even relevant to this case.

Degsy

No more asylum claims should be entertained untill this country sorts itself out finacially..98% of nigerians are denied asylum anyway and yet they cost the country 300 million per anum.
We're a nation of bloody fools to put up with this.

orourkeda

The_Minister wrote: »

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6982467.ece


Why are people still supporting her?

This is just farcical at this point.

The Do-gooders should be deported with her

ParkRunner

lugha wrote: »

If you thought you could make a better life for yourself and your family in another country and the legal procedures of that country could be abused to allow you to do so, would you honestly argue that you would be too moral to engage is such exploitation, up to and including breaking the law if need be? I am not so sure that I would. Fault lies firmly with our system I say.

All I want to know is how she can afford to challenge every decision that is made regarding her case in the courts High Court and Supreme Court cases dont come cheap, especially when you are not entitled to work or claim anything but the basic direct provision allowance!

lugha

EF wrote: »

All I want to know is how she can afford to challenge every decision that is made regarding her case in the courts High Court and Supreme Court cases dont come cheap, especially when you are not entitled to work or claim anything but the basic direct provision allowance!

I would guess the state is picking up the tab. But this is one of my points. Why can't we have a quick (and fair!) way of dealing with these applications without taking forever and costing a fortune.

homerjay2005

humanji wrote: »

Why not report him then?

hes been reported alreadys and nobody seems to care...

Guy:Incognito

dvpower wrote: »

It'd be a sad day when you could deliberately give false evidence to the supreme court and not pay a price for it.

Unfortunately its us that has to pay for here to pay for what she did.

CCCP^ wrote: »

Last time I looked at a map Nigeria is a couple of hundred miles away from Ireland.

Closer to 2500 , but the point is still valid

bonzos

Fair play to Veronica Cawley for throwing her a civic reception for her in Sligo...good to see she is usefull at wasting our money on more than just junketeering,some day she might be as prolific at it as John Perry...keep up the good work Veronica:rolleyes:

Hyperbullet

lugha wrote: »

I would guess the state is picking up the tab. But this is one of my points. Why can't we have a quick (and fair!) way of dealing with these applications without taking forever and costing a fortune.

This is Ireland. It'll probably have to go to a referrendum to get her out of here because no doubt there's some argument about this being a constitutional matter. We do love our red tape.

Have some respect and leave you f*cking fraud.

kumate_champ07

dvpower wrote: »

If its true that she has submitted counterfeit documents to the Supreme Court, then she should serve a jail term first.

jail would be too good for her. refugees usually all stay together in 1 building and get vouchers for food, or something like that. I know a girl who worked with them.

My mother worked with Bosnians in Cherry Orchard years ago, they were the first refugees to be takin in to this country, they all stayed the hospital there. it was almost like prison in the sense that they didnt get out much or have money to do things.

if this woman serves a sentence in Ireland its gonna cost us more money, she should be sent back to her home country and perma banned from entering Ireland again.

ilovelamp2000

There are numerous reasons why this case shouldn't have ever been entertained, even if you do believe her story.

Asylum is supposed to be the final, nuclear option for someone who is being persecuted, but it never is.

1. Nigeria is a member of ECOWAS, a fledgling EU type entity in West Africa. Currently any citizen of member state out of those 15 members signed up can travel to and work in another member state without visa restrictions. EU citizens have no right to claim asylum anywhere because they have the other members states of the EU to live in. The same should be true of ECOWAS members.

2. FGM is not practised in all of Nigeria and is outlawed in around a third of the states in Nigeria. Any Nigerian therefore has the option to internally relocate, so there's no need for them to claim asylum.

3. The first safe country she entered was not Ireland, it was either Holland orthe UK. She should have claimed asylum in one of those countries. Her husband was able to obtain a business visa for the UK, I think she may have been entitled to enter the UK on that too. Her husband was arrested trying to enter Ireland illegally too.

I'm actually convinced Baby Elizabeth never existed too.

aDeener

hooradiation wrote: »

I don't think anyone could defend her, but i'm not looking forward to "ahh shure they're all bleedin' scammers, like Pamela Izbec...Izabec....Iz....whathername" become the default response to the issue of asylum seekers by every halfwit who thinks they're "living in the real world".

are you and mike1972 one and the same or something or do ye share accomadation in la la liberal land?

no one has said that, but you are trying to predict they will in order to look clever and detract from anyone who rightly thinks that this woman is a disgrace

ascanbe

Hyperbullet wrote: »

This is Ireland. It'll probably have to go to a referrendum to get her out of here because no doubt there's some argument about this being a constitutional matter. We do love our red tape.

Have some respect and leave you f*cking fraud.

We're also quite fond of due process, thank God.
On your last point, if you know anyone in America who is currently there illegally, why don't you ring them up and tell them that.

kumate_champ07

lugha wrote: »

If you thought you could make a better life for yourself and your family in another country and the legal procedures of that country could be abused to allow you to do so, would you honestly argue that you would be too moral to engage is such exploitation, up to and including breaking the law if need be? I am not so sure that I would. Fault lies firmly with our system I say.

why not also apply that to bank robbery,shop lifting,burglary etc.?

Jay D

I know a lot of people will hate me for this but I love being black. Being black has so many benefits, especially when I am from Nigeria. I can waste so much time and money, of other countries resources, simply because they are too caught up making a bollox of proper legislation to deal with time wasters like me. Simply closing a case would normally happen, even I may be executed or stoned to death, these are suckers though so lets have a field day and get as much attention as I can.

ilovelamp2000

lugha wrote: »

I would guess the state is picking up the tab. But this is one of my points. Why can't we have a quick (and fair!) way of dealing with these applications without taking forever and costing a fortune.

The applications are dealt with pretty quickly these days.

It's when they insist on judicially reviewing a decision in the High Court that the delays kick in. Solicitors normally cherry pick the decent cases in the expectation that they'll win or be settled and the state will pick up the bill. The RAT have had plenty of skeletons in their closet down through the years so they tended to settle a lot of cases rather than have their dirty laundry aired in public.

dotsman

ascanbe wrote: »

On your last point, if you know anyone in America who is currently there illegally, why don't you ring them up and tell them that.

If some paddy was over in the states claiming asylum saying they're running from FGM and twice producing forged documents to the courts, I think everybody, both in the states and here, would declare that person "the biggest gob****e in Ireland".

Nodin

Jay D wrote: »

I know a lot of people will hate me for this but I love being black. Being black has so many benefits, especially when I am from Nigeria. I can waste so much time and money, of other countries resources, simply because they are too caught up making a bollox of proper legislation to deal with time wasters like me. Simply closing a case would normally happen, even I may be executed or stoned to death, these are suckers though so lets have a field day and get as much attention as I can.

First racist post...didn't think it would take 5 pages, in fairness.

ascanbe

dotsman wrote: »

If some paddy was over in the states claiming asylum saying they're running from FGM and twice producing forged documents to the courts, I think everybody, both in the states and here, would declare that person "the biggest gob****e in Ireland".

The people i'm referring to aren't claiming asylum; they're not even engaged with the authorities. They are just, knowingly, flouting the laws of another country.
The point i'm making isn't to criticise them; it's in relation to the naked hostility being displayed in this forum towards this woman.

PCPhoto

CCCP^ wrote: »

+1

Those people are genuinely suffering. How did this woman get to Ireland anyway? Last time I looked at a map Nigeria is a couple of hundred miles away from Ireland. You'd have to take a couple of flights before you could land here, why didn't she declare asylum in any of those countries?

from what I understand ...she landed in England...applied for assylum there ...and when that failed, she came over here and applied here.

Her husband supposedly lives in Italy and apparently he's a big businessman and owns property in England and Italy.

AARRRGH

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i know a lad myself who came here under false documents from near nigeria and i would love to get him deported as he is being a d*ck and screwing the state over. makes me sick.

humanji wrote: »

Why not report him then?

They ignore reports. I've tried it myself.

lugha

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

why not also apply that to bank robbery,shop lifting,burglary etc.?

Well you do have to draw the line somewhere. Staying within the law would appear to be an obvious place to draw although that is not entirely satisfactory. Most Irish people I think would be sympathetic to the Irish working in the US who are technically breaking the law.
It seems there's a possibility here that the bauld Pamela may have also broken a law or two. But even if she hadn't the whole processing of her case was less than satisfactory in terms of time and money.

Hyperbullet

ascanbe wrote: »

We're also quite fond of due process, thank God.
On your last point, if you know anyone in America who is currently there illegally, why don't you ring them up and tell them that.

What has that got to do with the topic at hand? She's tried to con the state twice. Get off your high horse.

ascanbe

Jay D wrote: »

I know a lot of people will hate me for this but I love being black. Being black has so many benefits, especially when I am from Nigeria. I can waste so much time and money, of other countries resources, simply because they are too caught up making a bollox of proper legislation to deal with time wasters like me. Simply closing a case would normally happen, even I may be executed or stoned to death, these are suckers though so lets have a field day and get as much attention as I can.

What I'm getting from your heavy handed attempt at satire is that you would prefer if our way of dealing with things was closer to your notional idea of Nigeria than how we currently operate.
Ironic, that.

ascanbe

Hyperbullet wrote: »

What has that got to do with the topic at hand? She's tried to con the state twice. Get off your high horse.

I'm not on any high-horse. I'm contrasting the reaction here towards this woman, whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, to the commonly held view of many in Ireland towards irish people living illegally in America.
Just trying to put some perspective on things.

toiletduck

Wow, someone wants to stay here so badly. Thinking about this separately from the particulars of the case, it's pretty cool. Place mustn't be as bad I as moan about

Hyperbullet

ascanbe wrote: »

I'm not on any high-horse. I'm contrasting the reaction here towards this woman, whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, to the commonly held view of many in Ireland towards irish people living illegally in America.
Just trying to put some perspective on things.

I understand you're trying to put some perspective on things but how is illegal irish similar to this case? Anyone i've ever known that has lived illegally in the U.S. has had one of two things happen, they work, overstay their visa, and are deported (as they should be), or the alternative they apply for residency/ are granted residency. But this is off topic, the U.S and Ireland have two very different sets of laws regarding immigration. We're talking about an asylum claim here. If this woman tried to pull this stunt in the states chances are her kids would go to social services and she'd be jailed.

Do you believe she should be allowed stay?

ContyHooks

The difference between the illegal Irish in America and this woman is that the Irish went to America with the sole intention of finding work, those Nigerians mostly come to Ireland with the sole intention of defrauding the social welfare system of money.

Hyperbullet

ContyHooks wrote: »

The difference between the illegal Irish in America and this woman is that the Irish went to America with the sole intention of finding work, those Nigerians mostly come to Ireland with the sole intention of defrauding the social welfare system of money.

Hang on, there's one thing having a point of view on this woman, lets not paint everyone with the same brush.

dotsman

ascanbe wrote: »

The people i'm referring to aren't claiming asylum; they're not even engaged with the authorities. They are just, knowingly, flouting the laws of another country.
The point i'm making isn't to criticise them; it's in relation to the naked hostility being displayed in this forum towards this woman.

Yup, and I disagree with people doing that, and, if caught, should be thrown out straight away.

This woman is here illegally. She has been caught. But, instead, courtesy of massive amounts of taxpayers money, she is spouting lie after lie trying to cheat the system. All the time, she is costing us huge amounts of money and making things far more difficult for genuine refugees.

ascanbe

Hyperbullet wrote: »

I understand you're trying to put some perspective on things but how is illegal irish similar to this case? Anyone i've ever known that has lived illegally in the U.S. has had one of two things happen, they work, overstay their visa, and are deported (as they should be), or the alternative they apply for residency/ are granted residency. But this is off topic, the U.S and Ireland have two very different sets of laws regarding immigration. We're talking about an asylum claim here. If this woman tried to pull this stunt in the states chances are her kids would go to social services and she'd be jailed.

Do you believe she should be allowed stay?

Most i know overstay their visa, aren't deported, and do everything to avoid being so. They don't apply for residency as, if they did, they would be immeadiately deported because, as i said, they were breaking the laws of the country.
That's how it relates to this case; and our courts here haven't yet definitively decided if she has broken the law.
Do i believe she should be allowed to stay? If due process finds, ultimately, that she shouldn't, then, no, i don't.

ascanbe

ContyHooks wrote: »

The difference between the illegal Irish in America and this woman is that the Irish went to America with the sole intention of finding work, those Nigerians mostly come to Ireland with the sole intention of defrauding the social welfare system of money.

Oh, so you, somehow, know the intentions of all Irish people who go to America and know the intentions of all asylum seekers who come here.
Perhaps this country should abandon the rule of law and simply consult you about the intentions of all who come before the courts.
I didn't realise that the oracle was in residence in this country.

ascanbe

dotsman wrote: »

Yup, and I disagree with people doing that, and, if caught, should be thrown out straight away.

This woman is here illegally. She has been caught. But, instead, courtesy of massive amounts of taxpayers money, she is spouting lie after lie trying to cheat the system. All the time, she is costing us huge amounts of money and making things far more difficult for genuine refugees.

We have our due process; if you feel it should be changed your argument is with our system, not this woman.
My initial post was made because of the hate-filled comments being posted here regarding this woman; as i wrote, i was trying to put perspective on this from the point of view of the human condition, not commenting on the rights and wrongs of this case.

Hyperbullet

ascanbe wrote: »

Most i know overstay their visa, aren't deported, and do everything to avoid being so. They don't apply for residency as, if they did, they would be immeadiately deported because, as i said, they were breaking the laws of the country.
That's how it relates to this case; and our courts here haven't yet definitively decided if she has broken the law.
Do i believe she should be allowed to stay? If due process finds, ultimately, that she shouldn't, then, no, i don't.

Her claim for asylum was false. She has produced fake documents twice to back up her case. She has no legal right to be in this country and should be sent home in my view. Yet if due process finds she can stay, do you believe she has gone about achieving asylum by the right means?

ascanbe

Hyperbullet wrote: »

Her claim for asylum was false. She has produced fake documents twice to back up her case. She has no legal right to be in this country and should be sent home in my view. Yet if due process finds she can stay, do you believe she has gone about achieving asylum by the right means?

As the laws of this country stand then, yes, she clearly has.
If you don't, your argument is with our system not, as i stated in a previous post, this woman.
What prompted me to comment here in the first place was the vitriol being spouted about this woman, as if she is some awful villian who is doing something that no Irish person could ever comprehend doing.
For whatever reason, she feels it is in her and her kids best interest to stay here.
If it turns out she has been dishonest in trying to achieve this then she should be deported; but, let's not act like she is an incomprehensibly terrible person because of this.

Hyperbullet

ascanbe wrote: »

As the laws of this country stand then, yes, she clearly has.
If you don't, your argument is with our system not, as i stated in a previous post, this woman.
What prompted me to comment here in the first place was the vitriol being spouted about this woman, as if she is some awful villian who is doing something that no Irish person could ever comprehend doing.
For whatever reason, she feels it is in her and her kids best interest to stay here.
If it turns out she has been dishonest in trying to achieve this then she should be deported; but, let's not act like she is an incomprehensibly terrible person because of this.

The only flaw I can see with the system is that she is still on Irish soil.

lugha

ascanbe wrote: »

What prompted me to comment here in the first place was the vitriol being spouted about this woman, as if she is some awful villian who is doing something that no Irish person could ever comprehend doing.

Yes I agree. The response it totally dis-proportional. Many Irish people engage in tax and welfare fraud and yes, most law abiding people take a pretty low view of such people, but with nothing like the hostility that is being shown here. If you read some of the comments here out of context, you might think a child molester was being discussed.

Wagon

ascanbe wrote: »

For whatever reason, she feels it is in her and her kids best interest to stay here.
If it turns out she has been dishonest in trying to achieve this then she should be deported; but, let's not act like she is an incomprehensibly terrible person because of this.

She has been dishonest in doing this. Twice showing up in court with fasle documents is a pretty clear indication of that. There was no proof to suggest that her children were in danger of genital mutilation, only her word (the doctor's document saying that the child "Elizibeth" died as a result of these practices was fasle) so we don't even know if she had a child in the first place. Not once has she been honest about seeking asylum here and yet she continues to get support from people saying how she is looking after her children when there's no proof that they were in any danger in the first place.

she isn't a terrible person, just a very annoying and dishonest one that cost the taxpayer a lot of money. If any Irish citizen tried that crap she did, they'd be in prison. but she gets away with it because she's black from Nigeria and if she was thrown in jail, there would be loud protests from the pc twats up and down the country claiming 'racism'. it drives me up the wall but as long as those people are shouting, people like her are being given the tools (no pun intended) to stay.

ascanbe

Fair enough. That's your opinion. I'm not saying you're not entitled to it; as you didn't say i wasn't entitled to mine.
I was simply trying to point out that the discussion in this forum had gotten away from the percieved rights and wrongs of our system and had become an excuse for taking pot-shots at the woman involved in this case.

ascanbe

Wagon wrote: »

She has been dishonest in doing this. Twice showing up in court with fasle documents is a pretty clear indication of that. There was no proof to suggest that her children were in danger of genital mutilation, only her word (the doctor's document saying that the child "Elizibeth" died as a result of these practices was fasle) so we don't even know if she had a child in the first place. Not once has she been honest about seeking asylum here and yet she continues to get support from people saying how she is looking after her children when there's no proof that they were in any danger in the first place.

she isn't a terrible person, just a very annoying and dishonest one that cost the taxpayer a lot of money. If any Irish citizen tried that crap she did, they'd be in prison. but she gets away with it because she's black from Nigeria and if she was thrown in jail, there would be loud protests from the pc twats up and down the country claiming 'racism'. it drives me up the wall but as long as those people are shouting, people like her are being given the tools (no pun intended) to stay.

Ah, no. I was about to be finished with this.
If you find her annoying and dishonest then fine; i've no argument, that's your opinion.
If you feel that too much money has been spent following due process; fine, your argument is with our current system.
'If an Irish citizen tried that crap she did, they'd be in prison' - I don't even know what country you imagine this hypothetical case would be taking place in so I can't comment.
And what has that got to do with anything, anyway?
We have our own form of due process; if you have a problem with it, endeavour to change it - thankfully, we have a democratic political process which enables you to attempt to do so.
As for your rant against the 'PC' types who might disagree with you; use reason to argue against those you disagree with.
If you resort to labelling and name-calling, it only serves to undermine your argument.

speedboatchase

Put the deportation on pay per view and make that money back, I'd be dying to watch it, I want lots of teary close ups too

Coriolanus

The kids are alright, no crime of theirs. Deport the mother, keep the kids here.
Sure they did it last September to another mother/child and hardly anyone batted an eyelid.

aidan24326

If she has now submitted fake documents twice why isn't her case being thrown out and her on a plane back to Lagos?

dsmythy

ascanbe wrote: »

As the laws of this country stand then, yes, she clearly has.
If you don't, your argument is with our system not, as i stated in a previous post, this woman.
What prompted me to comment here in the first place was the vitriol being spouted about this woman, as if she is some awful villian who is doing something that no Irish person could ever comprehend doing.
For whatever reason, she feels it is in her and her kids best interest to stay here.
If it turns out she has been dishonest in trying to achieve this then she should be deported; but, let's not act like she is an incomprehensibly terrible person because of this.

If you took a random Irish person who defrauded the state for an insane sum and that person was being discussed you'll find the same angry responses towards them.

As happens I think there is a bill in the Dáil to end this appeal charade with regards to right to stay in the country so she will hopefully be the last to cost so much money.