Trap going to Turkey?

Boskowski

According to several German sports pages Trap is about to sign a 4 year contract as the manager of the Turkish international squad. Typical 'nothing' or true?

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/fus_international/artikel_192730.html

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/sport/Fussball-Trapattoni;art133,3000227

Where would leave that Ireland?

Fr Tod Umptious

realcam wrote: »

Where would leave that Ireland?

well Stan will soon get the sack at Darlington, so we could have him back

Seaneh

To be honest... I'm not at all disappointed.

Zonda999

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0112/trapattoni.html

RTE says he's adamant that he is staying with Ireland

Gavin "shels"

realcam wrote: »

Where would leave that Ireland?

....with Denis O'Brien crying into his hands.

Bobalicious93

I find it highly unlikely he would sign a 4-year contract.

Irishrossoblu

Italian Press has it also, from a Turkish Sports Newspaper. €3 Million a year.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/parma/?action=read&idnotizia=7189

leninbenjamin

What's he on with us? €1m? €1.5m? €3m is a serious pay rise either way, plenty would think him a fool not to take it.

Whatever you think of Trap, we're fooked if we have to go hiring so soon after the qualifiers fiasco, I think FIFA successfully managed to make us look like complete tools so there wont be too many jumping at our paltry wage offerings. Please let this be the usual tabloid garbage.

Kingdom

Wouldn't be too surprised if he took it. Not sure would I be disappointed either. I'd take Hodgson in a heartbeat.

Fromvert

I'm hope it's not true.

whatawaster

Kingdom wrote: »

Wouldn't be too surprised if he took it. Not sure would I be disappointed either. I'd take Hodgson in a heartbeat.

i admire your wishful thinking. No chance of getting Hodgson

Mr Alan

Kingdom wrote: »

Wouldn't be too surprised if he took it. Not sure would I be disappointed either. I'd take Hodgson in a heartbeat.

I'd like Wenger or Mourinho myself.

Kingdom

Oh its wishful thinking alright. To think that he was willing to take it if it was offered to him. Dear me.

Anyway if Mister decides to go all Turkey on us, at least our stock has been seen to have risen, so the interested parties might be more interesting this time.

Oh, in advance, fupp off Venables.

CHD

Fúck off Turkey

aidan24326

leninbenjamin wrote: »

What's he on with us? €1m? €1.5m? €3m is a serious pay rise either way, plenty would think him a fool not to take it.

Whatever you think of Trap, we're fooked if we have to go hiring so soon after the qualifiers fiasco, I think FIFA successfully managed to make us look like complete tools so there wont be too many jumping at our paltry wage offerings. Please let this be the usual tabloid garbage.

Trappatoni is not on a 'paltry' wage at all. He is on €2M per year, that's the figure that was quoted in the papers at the time. Not quite in the Mourinho or Sir Alex league of wages, but hardly buttons either, and certainly on a par with what some of the better Prem League managers are on.

And after a long career managing at the highest level, Il Trap is hardly short of money at this stage, so it would be disappointing if he left us for an extra few quid that he surely doesn't need.

Eire-Dearg

My replacement has just recently moved... Owen Coyle.

What about Hughes?

leninbenjamin

aidan24326 wrote: »

Trappatoni is not on a 'paltry' wage at all. He is on €2M per year, that's the figure that was quoted in the papers at the time.

Are you trying to tell me €2m to €3m isn't a substantial pay rise?
Secondly, his wages are paid by Denis O'Brien. The FAI can only afford about €500k, if not less given the debt of the stadium. There's no guarantee O'Brien would be bothered paying for Delany's past incompetence once Trappa leaves. Hence use of the term 'paltry' because I don't believe the FAI will be able to offer Trappa's sucessor much. They'll probably end up pissing away the compensation paying off interest.

Dub13

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

What about Hughes?

He is way to young for Int management.

Outkast_IRE

I would rather a first world country on 2m a year than that hole of a place for 3m a year.

Mitch Connor

Dub13 wrote: »

He is way to young for Int management.

older than he was with Wales...

Dub13

Mitch Connor wrote: »

older than he was with Wales...

I think Int management is something you do when starting out or winding down.

Tomthepost

Dub13 wrote: »

He is way to young for Int management.

He has already managed very successfully at International level when he was much younger.

Trap going nowhere anyway so it doesnt really matter.

Headshot

Paul Jewel
Liam Brady
Hughes
curbishley


wouldnt mind any of the above

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Bring back Big Jack, he doesn't like midfields either, so there wouldn't be much change.

daithijjj

What are peoples feelings on david o' leary?

Would brady do it/take it?

Would either be interested/offered it?

keane2097

I'd have Brian Kerr back in a heartbeat tbh.

mike65

Newstalk chatting to a Turkish sports scribbler right now.

Headshot

daithijjj wrote: »

What are peoples feelings on david o' leary?

Would brady do it/take it?

Would either be interested/offered it?

I think david has been out of game to long

at least Liam is assistant manager so he knows the set up and can keep the good work that trap has done going

noodler

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Are you trying to tell me €2m to €3m isn't a substantial pay rise?
Secondly, his wages are paid by Denis O'Brien. The FAI can only afford about €500k, if not less given the debt of the stadium. There's no guarantee O'Brien would be bothered paying for Delany's past incompetence once Trappa leaves. Hence use of the term 'paltry' because I don't believe the FAI will be able to offer Trappa's sucessor much. They'll probably end up pissing away the compensation paying off interest.

Where on earth did you pluck those figures from?

O'Brien is suppossed to be paying a portion of his wages - not 3/4 of them.

daithijjj

Headshot wrote: »

I think david has been out of game to long

at least Liam is assistant manager so he knows the set up and can keep the good work that trap has done going

Something in the back of my mind is telling me that brady might not take it on, i dont know what it is, i just get that feeling with him.

Would we take somebody on who might be able to coax stephen ireland back?....or is the general feeling that he is not wanted in the squad?

Headshot

daithijjj wrote: »

Would we take somebody on who might be able to coax stephen ireland back?....or is the general feeling that he is not wanted in the squad?

we dont want to open a can of worms here

but I think it doesnt matter about the manager he wont be coming back...

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He doesn't want to play for Ireland

leninbenjamin

noodler wrote: »

Where on earth did you pluck those figures from?

O'Brien is suppossed to be paying a portion of his wages - not 3/4 of them.

Did you think perhaps it might have come from the media?

O'Brien is paying at least half according to most papers, some articles seem to suggest he pays close to the full amount. The FAI said 'part', they never alluded to a proporation. The Irish Times, the Independent have all ran with half in the run up to Trappa being signed. Google it like I did.

€500k may have been an assumption too far. I remember it being the figure bandied about prior to O'Brien coming in, but i can't find links. HOwever, i don't think it's too far off the mark, the FAI's financial situation has deteriorated significantly since the original deal was signed. So if they could barely afford to pay €1m before the recession, then what can they afford now?

daithijjj

Headshot wrote: »

we dont want to open a can or worms here

but I think it doesnt matter about the manager he wont be coming back...

I was trying to be as vague as i possibly could regarding him

According to trappatoni, its just agents mouthing off so its all bit hypothetical, have to be honest though, id like to see both reid's involved soon.

Headshot

daithijjj wrote: »

I was trying to be as vague as i possibly could regarding him

According to trappatoni, its just agents mouthing off so its all bit hypothetical, have to be honest though, id like to see both reid's involved soon.

like wise and a few more players

CHD

Headshot wrote: »

like wise and a few more players

Who is Wise?

V9

I think he ment likewise

Rob113

so long as the likes of Venables, Moran, Stapleton, Aldridge, Souness etc arent even considered or interviewed i dont mind.

Wouldnt like to see trap leave though. Its not that i think he is great or anything, i just think he is the best of a bad lot. Who else would take it at the money on offer and do a decent job.

~Rebel~

If we were in a bind, I wouldn't actually mind Souness. I think he'd do a lot better internationally as he gets nice long breaks and doesn't go insane from the day to day stuff, as well as not having the day to day contact with players so doesn't drive them insane.

Having said that, he's already ruled himself out of managing Ireland or Scotland as he doesn't think there's enough quality in either squad to do anything with. Even if he did do a turnaround and take the job, those aren't really the type of comments you want from a prospective manager, couldn't see the players reacting too well to someone who publically stated he didn't think they had much to them besides industry.

Raskolnikov

aidan24326 wrote: »

And after a long career managing at the highest level, Il Trap is hardly short of money at this stage, so it would be disappointing if he left us for an extra few quid that he surely doesn't need.

Most managers will want to manage at the very highest level they can. The Turkish gig is undoubtedly at a higher level than where we are, so I can definitely see him being tempted at what would be a better chance of making the European Championships. If there's extra cash, then so be it.

CHD

V9 wrote: »

I think he ment likewise

I know. He knows what I meant though.

Rob113

~Rebel~ wrote: »

If we were in a bind, I wouldn't actually mind Souness. I think he'd do a lot better internationally as he gets nice long breaks and doesn't go insane from the day to day stuff, as well as not having the day to day contact with players so doesn't drive them insane.

Having said that, he's already ruled himself out of managing Ireland or Scotland as he doesn't think there's enough quality in either squad to do anything with. Even if he did do a turnaround and take the job, those aren't really the type of comments you want from a prospective manager, couldn't see the players reacting too well to someone who publically stated he didn't think they had much to them besides industry.

Did he not put his name forward for it before Trap got the nod. I dont know i just think he is too hot headed for it. Hes a decent pundit but he would wreck your head if you played for him

noodler

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Did you think perhaps it might have come from the media?

O'Brien is paying at least half according to most papers, some articles seem to suggest he pays close to the full amount. The FAI said 'part', they never alluded to a proporation. The Irish Times, the Independent have all ran with half in the run up to Trappa being signed. Google it like I did.

€500k may have been an assumption too far. I remember it being the figure bandied about prior to O'Brien coming in, but i can't find links. HOwever, i don't think it's too far off the mark, the FAI's financial situation has deteriorated significantly since the original deal was signed. So if they could barely afford to pay €1m before the recession, then what can they afford now?

You made an assumption.

Gotcha thanks.

aidan24326

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Are you trying to tell me €2m to €3m isn't a substantial pay rise?

It is of course, but Trappatoni is a wealthy man already, does he really need the extra dosh at this stage? If he wants to leave anyway fair enough, but if someone like him could be motivated by money at this stage of his career it makes you wonder how much money is enough to people? (not saying he necessarily is, just making an example)

Secondly, his wages are paid by Denis O'Brien. The FAI can only afford about €500k, if not less given the debt of the stadium. There's no guarantee O'Brien would be bothered paying for Delany's past incompetence once Trappa leaves. Hence use of the term 'paltry' because I don't believe the FAI will be able to offer Trappa's sucessor much. They'll probably end up pissing away the compensation paying off interest

Oh I see what you mean, you're saying if Trap left there might be bugger all money to offer the next guy. That's possible. Which is why it would be better if he stayed.

daithijjj wrote: »

Would we take somebody on who might be able to coax stephen ireland back?....or is the general feeling that he is not wanted in the squad?

He doesn't want to play full stop. Makes no difference who the manager is.

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Most managers will want to manage at the very highest level they can. The Turkish gig is undoubtedly at a higher level than where we are, so I can definitely see him being tempted at what would be a better chance of making the European Championships. If there's extra cash, then so be it.

Is it? Not by much. I think you're being harsh on us and over-complimentary to the Turks.
Turkey didn't even qualify for the playoffs in their group, finishing 5 points behind a pretty ordinary Bosnian team. I'd say Ireland have as much chance of getting to the Euro finals as they have. If it was Germany, Spain, England - those are bigger jobs alright, but Turkey? Nah, not that much bigger.

ToTheSea:

Rob113 wrote: »

so long as the likes of Venables........ etc arent even considered or interviewed i dont mind. quote]

+1, I almost had a heart attack when I heard he was linked with the job last time.

I really like my heart.

leninbenjamin

noodler wrote: »

You made an assumption.

Without perfect knowledge and foresight, it's impossible to make any sort of statement about anything without making an assumption or two. You've made a pretty big assumption yourself in the previous post on the definition of 'portion'.

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:pac:

I think it's pretty ambitious though to expect the FAI to be able to afford the same again. Maybe O'Brien will come to the rescue but he didn't exactly get much return for his previous investment, and even then €1m p.a. is a lot for the FAI to be forking over if it's the same 'part' funded deal. Having invested so much and fallen short of the big pay day, they may struggle to appease their creditors.

Time will tell whether I'm right or you're wrong.