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TONIGHT With Vincent Browne

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    #332
    delaad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭delaad


    Good old Vinnie is a bit of a flat track bully. As a result his "discussion programme" tends to degenerate readily into a Punch and Judy Show, in which he tends to beat up on any guest he feels is a soft target. As such, it's a bit pathetic to watch. And probably is attractive only to weaklings.


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    #333
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users Posts: 7,937 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    delaad wrote: »
    Good old Vinnie is a bit of a flat track bully. As a result his "discussion programme" tends to degenerate readily into a Punch and Judy Show, in which he tends to beat up on any guest he feels is a soft target. As such, it's a bit pathetic to watch. And probably is attractive only to weaklings.

    in fairness to him though, he does what nearly everyone else watching the show does, which is get pee'd off at not getting a straight forward answer. last week with conor lenihan, lucinda creighton and mary lou was a prime example.


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    #334
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Lapin wrote: »
    It was genuine alright. He included Enda's wife and kids too - and anyone else who decided to be offended.

    From memory, Vincent prefaced his remarks with "Is there any truth to the rumour that"... so it was obviously a joke... I dont think he should have had to apologize for that remark.... it was funny and inoffensive imo.


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    #335
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Aye, thats what I meant by saying "anyone else who decided to be offended".

    I believe there are a lot of people out there who actively seek out something to become offended about.

    Even if they have nothing to do with the subject matter, they will take it upon themselves to become offended on behalf of others.

    Remember all the white people who complained about Enda Kenny telling a joke with the word n1gg€r in it? The same people were out in force when Mary O'Rourke muttered something about her team working like blacks.

    I don't think Vincent Browne should have to apologise either, but it was probably the best way to shut these eejits up for another few days.

    I actually found Bertie Ahern's "go and commit suicide" remarks a few years ago to be far more sinister, and while the outcry was more vocal, I don't recall him making a piece to camera apology a la Vincent.


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    #336
    Elmo
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    Lapin wrote: »
    Remember all the white people who complained about Enda Kenny telling a joke with the word nig*er in it? The same people were out in force when Mary O'Rourke muttered something about her team working like blacks.

    Boards seem to have a problem with the word ****** but then I also do, as I do with retard and other words that describe people in a negative light. I would have to hear the joke I am sure that it may have been offensive even without the word ****** in it, I can't imagine it was funny.

    I think the offence part is in relation to how we deal as a nation with Suicide. Bertie did have to make an apology on how he phrased his speech, I am sure he did the apology in a much more political sensitive way towards himself, as most politicians do.


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    #337
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    What is it with Browne and Kenny/FG?
    The time Bruton decided to make the move against Kenny for the leadership, it was our Vinny egging him on on his show the night before that precipitated the move to some degree...Browne kept at him and at him about whther he would stand for leader of FG, then the very next day the move was made...
    Then you have this comment about Kenny involving suicide, which joke or not, has no place on a supposedly unbiased political show. (Yes I know he apologised)


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    #338
    JonathanAnon
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    Think Vincent might get a rap from the BCC over this one.. He directly addressed the camera (and the viewers) and said (paraphrased) "we should get this lot out".


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    #339
    hotmail.com
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    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    Think Vincent might get a rap from the BCC over this one.. He directly addressed the camera (and the viewers) and said (paraphrased) "we should get this lot out".

    What's wrong with that?


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    #340
    Aidric
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    Wertz wrote: »
    What is it with Browne and Kenny/FG?
    The time Bruton decided to make the move against Kenny for the leadership, it was our Vinny egging him on on his show the night before that precipitated the move to some degree...Browne kept at him and at him about whther he would stand for leader of FG, then the very next day the move was made...
    Then you have this comment about Kenny involving suicide, which joke or not, has no place on a supposedly unbiased political show. (Yes I know he apologised)
    It's simple really. He has been long enough in the game to see right through the joke that is Enda Kenny, as indeed anyone with half a brain could conclude for themselves.


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    #341
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    What's wrong with that?

    It shows his bias. Regardless of if you agree with him or not, he is there to be impartial, his guests are there to provide opinion, and he is there to question that opinion weather he agrees or disagrees with such opinions.


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    #342
    [Deleted User]
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    Elmo wrote: »
    It shows his bias. Regardless of if you agree with him or not, he is there to be impartial, his guests are there to provide opinion, and he is there to question that opinion weather he agrees or disagrees with such opinions.

    At the same time listening to some of the crap being spouted about how FF had no responsibility for the current economic climate he can be forgiven for his outburst.


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    #343
    MRPRO03
    Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭MRPRO03


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    Think Vincent might get a rap from the BCC over this one.. He directly addressed the camera (and the viewers) and said (paraphrased) "we should get this lot out".

    He said ''Anyone'' who gets driven around in cars should be out of office.


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    #344
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    At the same time listening to some of the crap being spouted about how FF had no responsibility for the current economic climate he can be forgiven for his outburst.

    I was only giving a reason and it was very general. If Vincent was making a valid point in opposition to one or two of his guests then he is entitled to be critical, after all they have had the opportunity to speak.
    He said ''Anyone'' who gets driven around in cars should be out of office.

    No you couldn't to that it, wouldn't save any money, I mean the high earners in most companies only represent a tiny proportion of people, to reduce their wages would not be of any benefit what so ever. And what would their drivers do?

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    Now they might want to reduce the wages of their drivers. :rolleyes:

    Sorry, if you miss my sarcasm there in that!


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    #345
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Is it just me or is there an echo on the program.. having trouble hearing it.


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    #346
    hotmail.com
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    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    Is it just me or is there an echo on the program.. having trouble hearing it.

    Yep, something wrong with the sound. Text in.


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    #347
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    MY god that Migrant's Rights Council wan with her new dress and hairdo really pissed me off.. Does she not think there are better things that she should be working for, for the people of Ireland at this stage...


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    #348
    Koloman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Koloman


    Surely a migrant's rights person should be redundant at this stage?


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    #349
    JonathanAnon
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    Koloman wrote: »
    Surely a migrant's rights person should be redundant at this stage?

    I think she was more defending her right not to be made redundant more than anything else... Another quango I think..

    http://www.mrci.ie

    along with..

    http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/


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    #350
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    MY god that Migrant's Rights Council wan with her new dress and hairdo really pissed me off.. Does she not think there are better things that she should be working for, for the people of Ireland at this stage...

    Firstly both are NGOs not QANGOs, but I am sure you will be glad to here that the Equal Rights Authority (open to all) has been significantly been reduced in size by the Department of Justice in the last number of years www.equality.ie.

    Secondly you would want to wise up as most all of our trading partners will be are many of those countries in the coming years.

    Thirdly anyone living in Ireland is a person of Ireland and everyone has rights (bar the bankers who should have the key thrown away).


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    #351
    JonathanAnon
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Firstly both are NGOs not QANGOs, but I am sure you will be glad to here that the Equal Rights Authority (open to all) has been significantly been reduced in size by the Department of Justice in the last number of years www.equality.ie.
    I found them listed on another thread on politics.ie listed as being quangos (someone was questioning why both carry out effectively the same function), but you are right about the second one anyway. The Migrant's Rights Council is listed as "The MRCI is a national organisation concerned with the rights of migrant workers and their families", it does not say specifically that it is an NGO.. If you can say definitively where it's funding comes from, I will bow to your superior knowledge..
    Secondly you would want to wise up as most all of our trading partners will be are many of those countries in the coming years. Thirdly anyone living in Ireland is a person of Ireland and everyone has rights (bar the bankers who should have the key thrown away).
    The countries that the migrants come are generally not countries that Ireland exports large amounts to... (well, except if you include the exporting of Dell to Poland)..

    My point is, that in these economic times, more attention should be put on those fighting for creation of jobs for ALL people here... not focusing on minority (and ever decreasing) subsections within the workforce..


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    #352
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    AFAIA both are NGOs and are community/voluntary organisations, the receive donations and the government may provide some money to them but in the last number of years government funding of all NGOs has depleted significantly.
    The countries that the migrants come are generally not countries that Ireland exports large amounts to... (well, except if you include the exporting of Dell to Poland)..

    Your right Ireland and successive governments have held on to US and UK trading rather than looking outside our too main English speaking neighbours, but any American and British person is a migrant in this country. We need to significantly diversify our trading partners, indeed the head of Etihad Airways was on Five 7 Live saying how important Irealand will be for western access for many developing countries of the coming years. We need to look at trading to many other countries than just the usual, indeed we may need to look elsewhere rather than just the US and UK.
    My point is, that in these economic times, more attention should be put on those fighting for creation of jobs for ALL people here... not focusing on minority (and ever decreasing) subsections within the workforce..

    There are plenty of organisations that deal specifically with job creation this is a completely different issue to Worker rights and migrant rights, if we take our eye of a small subsection of society we will inevitably kick ourselves in the ass. Minority rights are important regardless of the economic circumstances.

    http://www.cso.ie/statistics/botmaintrpartners.htm


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    #353
    AOwannabe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭AOwannabe


    Former Taoiseach Garret Fitzgerald is on tonight if anyone's interested


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    #354
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    I dont mean to be cruel, but I think Garrett is not well enough in mind to be interviewed..


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    #355
    PKen
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭PKen


    Always was a clever guy. Thanks to him, I nearly joined FG. Don't always agree with him, but I always like to hear what he has to say. Would love if there had been a full panel tonight - a grand debate could have followed.


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    #356
    AOwannabe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭AOwannabe


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    I dont mean to be cruel, but I think Garrett is not well enough in mind to be interviewed..

    He seems fine to me, maybe a little laboured but that's to be expected at his age.

    NOOOOO.... Fionan Sheehan


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    #357
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    PKen wrote: »
    Would love if there had been a full panel tonight - a grand debate could have followed.

    Yes Master..

    genie1.gif


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    #358
    AOwannabe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭AOwannabe


    "Kangaroo feared dead after disco terror"

    Great journalism from the Star


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    #359
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    AOwannabe wrote: »
    NOOOOO.... Fionan Sheehan

    In fairness to Fionnán, it's takes some effort to still look the same as you did when you made your communion..

    See that lad that was killed in Avoca was reportedly killed in a row over the Liverpool game... They are hardly a team worth dying over... and I'm a Liverpool fan.


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    #360
    bernardo mac
    Registered Users Posts: 903 ✭✭✭bernardo mac


    Garret Fitzgerald makes quite sound sense,political and business integrity disappeared in recent times


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    #361
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    bernardo mac wrote: »
    Garret Fitzgerald makes quite sound sense,political and business integrity disappeared in recent times

    But I think it's a lot easier to be frank and honest in your analysis when you dont have to get re-elected.. Could you imagine any scenario where Colm McCarthy would get elected?


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