TONIGHT With Vincent Browne

mrkr

Elaine Byrne is not "paid by the government" she criticises, she's paid by Trinity College, and she is paid by them because she is a good researcher and lecturer. They get much of their funding from the state coffers, but that does not and should not make them a government mouthpiece. We do not live in North Korea, though it may seem like we do sometimes! She is as entitled to an opinion as anyone else, and given that she has a level of expertise in how government functions, her opinions are more informed than most.

JonathanAnon

DeepBlue wrote: »

If it's your main point it's pure bollox.

well I obviously think similar of your point, but I'm polite enough that I wouldnt put it that.. have a bit of respect would you?

One can't criticise anyone else unless one is prepared to do his/her job? I guess we better lay off Enda, Eamonn and Michael unless we're prepared to lead a political party.

She was criticising Dunphy for NOOOOOOOTTTT running.. Dunphy was going to run for the Dáil but then didnt, he was going to put himself forward as part of a new movement to help the country, but didnt.. of course she doesnt have to run herself, but she doesnt have the right to criticise somebody else for (doing the same as she did) and not run...

Elaine Byrne is not "paid by the government" she criticises, she's paid by Trinity College,

I could be wrong on this but I assumed that Trinity was paid for by the state? Maybe somebody could clear this up?

JonathanAnon

brianthebard wrote: »

What do you actually know of her job? She graduated in 2007 and is only publishing her first book this year, she's hardly established and probably neither permanent nor pensionable atm.

I know about her work from what I've read on her website.. If she's not well paid then I'll accept that point no bother.. but I would assume that lecturers, from my own experience in college, are very well paid..

I know nothing about the woman but I think you are being seriously hyperbolic in your condemnation of her.

It's more disappointment to be honest.. The way she was speaking a few months ago, and her straight talking and thinking about political reform made me think that she would have more to contribute to the actual political running of Ireland, than just commentary and giving out to others who dont run... I'd certainly be interested to hear her on other panel shows...

brianthebard

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I know about her work from what I've read on her website.. If she's not well paid then I'll accept that point no bother.. but I would assume that lecturers, from my own experience in college, are very well paid..

I think she is well paid but I would not say 'very well paid' but that is also down to opinion, you'd have to give a ballpark figure to clarify this. However, she can't have been in her position for even 3 years and I doubt its been that long, so I don't think she's far off the starting wage in TCD.

It's more disappointment to be honest.. The way she was speaking a few months ago, and her straight talking and thinking about political reform made me think that she would have more to contribute to the actual political running of Ireland, than just commentary and giving out to others who dont run... I'd certainly be interested to hear her on other panel shows...

Its also important that people outside of the government offer opinions and a counterweight to the government. I do agree its a bit rich to tell dunph to run and then not accept the same suggestion, but you already pointed out that she is working with the politicalreform site, plus she is only starting out in her career and would be mad to pass up a chance to try to establish herself or keep a job at the moment.

DeepBlue

JonathanAnon wrote: »

well I obviously think similar of your point, but I'm polite enough that I wouldnt put it that.. have a bit of respect would you?

I gave your argument (as you presented it) the respect it deserved.

brianthebard wrote: »

I think she is well paid but I would not say 'very well paid' but that is also down to opinion, you'd have to give a ballpark figure to clarify this. However, she can't have been in her position for even 3 years and I doubt its been that long, so I don't think she's far off the starting wage in TCD.

Without knowing either her or Dunphy's take home pay I can comfortably say his is higher and probably by quite a margin for doing (what I would consider) less work.

In any case if she's a political consultant then she can do far more as a consultant to the Government on political reform than she could do a member of a opposition, bankbench, independent, group of egos.

Dan_Solo

JonathanAnon wrote: »

She's paid a fortune for lecturing by the government (y'know the one that she criticises so much), and gets to publish private projects as well.. job is hugely overpaid, permanent, pensionable.. etc etc

http://www.tcd.ie/Staff_Office/assets/pdf/Schedule_2_1_1_10%20_2_.pdf
If she's been there 3 years then that's the princely sum of €40,741. And she's paid to lecture students; if she wants to criticize FF in her spare time, so what? Are all public servants required to support the standing government?
(that's if she's permanent, she may have been hired as a contract lecturer. Funnily enough every right winger in the country seems convinced there's no such thing as fixed term contracts in the public service!)

Skid

Good news for all you Constantin fans, On tonight's show ...

Pat Rabbitte, Alan Dukes, S.Fleming**, Constantin Gurdgiev, Damien English discuss the hard choices on economy & deficit. Liveblog: PoliticoTV.ie

** Dunno who S.Fleming is.

telekon

SkidMark wrote: »

Good news for all you Constantin fans, On tonight's show ...



** Dunno who S.Fleming is.

Sean, I presume, your typical FF gombeen man.

SB-08

Gurdgiev will tear into Dukes hopefully.

Rabbitte on again? He was only just on Prime Time. Give him a rest or he will be sleepy on Vinnie like last time. Obviously Labour only have two members they can trust on these shows - Rabbitte and Quinn. A Labour led Govt would be terrible in terms of a strong competent team. Labour supporting FG and Quinn and Rabbitte being given important departments is a better idea.

ArtSmart

Dukes?? nice. I'd like to know wtf he's on about re: the banks.

ArtSmart

SB-08 wrote: »

Gurdgiev will tear into Dukes hopefully.

Rabbitte on again? He was only just on Prime Time. Give him a rest or he will be sleepy on Vinnie like last time. Obviously Labour only have two members they can trust on these shows - Rabbitte and Quinn. A Labour led Govt would be terrible in terms of a strong competent team. Labour supporting FG and Quinn and Rabbitte being given important departments is a better idea.

yes, but who for Taoiseach?

Dan_Solo

ArtSmart wrote: »

Dukes?? nice. I'd like to know wtf he's on about re: the banks.

He's on about gouging the Irish taxpayer for every penny they have and giving it to himself and his banker buddies I believe.

JonathanAnon

ArtSmart wrote: »

Dukes?? nice. I'd like to know wtf he's on about re: the banks.

I wondered about him too Art, but you have to remember he HAS to say particular things with the position he is in.. I think he's redefined the word understatement with the way he nonchalantly throws around figures relating to the banks..

Skid

ArtSmart wrote: »

Dukes?? nice. I'd like to know wtf he's on about re: the banks.

I used to like Dukes but he's gone native since he went to Anglo, demanding more and more billions for them without batting an eyelid.

He speaks with an air of entitlement about the bailout for Anglo which is hard to stomach.

brianthebard

SB-08 wrote: »

Gurdgiev will tear into Dukes hopefully.

Rabbitte on again? He was only just on Prime Time. Give him a rest or he will be sleepy on Vinnie like last time. Obviously Labour only have two members they can trust on these shows - Rabbitte and Quinn. A Labour led Govt would be terrible in terms of a strong competent team. Labour supporting FG and Quinn and Rabbitte being given important departments is a better idea.

Unless you know for a fact that Joan Burton is in tucked up in bed that's very unfair, she's been seen often on tv during this election, she was on Frontline just on Monday. Besides she's unlikely to show up on Vincent's show again between the sexism comments and vincent's gift grub piece last night (which unlike the original interview was pretty rude and bullying and served no good purpose). Point is you don't know where she is now or what campaign event she might be at.
On a similar note Gilmore was obviously on the tv3 leader debate show and Ivana Bacik was on Frontline too (or a similar RTE show, they all look the same to me).

hotmail.com

Dukes regularly appeared on panel discussions talking about the issues of the week up til recently - it did my head in! Now finally, he's copped on that he's only allowed to speak on matters related to Anglo.

SnowY32

I know its not the right place to ask, but anyone know where fine gael are getting all the funding or backing for this campaign because it looks like they have a serious amount of cash flow and candidates:eek::eek::eek:

ArtSmart

here we go.....

ArtSmart

flemming is actually handy enough on the battlefield.

telekon

Sean Fleming is front bench spokesperson for "public sector reform"...



....yea, yea, yea Fianna Fail, ye're all about the reform aren't ye? :rolleyes:

Jaysus lads, who swallows this rubbish??

ArtSmart

this is a sales presentation from dukes

Corsendonk

"Constantin might be with us twice over" on funny friday. Mario must be coming back to do his impressions!

Sardonicat

Dukes reminds me of a surgeon who has just given you bad news and is practised at conveying to a patient that an amputation and industrial strength chemo are nothing ot be afraid off...

ArtSmart

telekon wrote: »

Sean Fleming is front bench spokesperson for "public sector reform"...



....yea, yea, yea Fianna Fail, ye're all about the reform aren't ye? :rolleyes:

Jaysus lads, who swallows this rubbish??

the term is 'fluff n bluff' as far as i know

hotmail.com

Vinnie gets very cross with Dukes and usually takes him down a peg or two.

That_Guy

I preferred Alan Dukes as Magneto.

ArtSmart

dukes, you're full of shiite

telekon

Corsendonk wrote: »

"Constantin might be with us twice over" on funny friday. Mario must be coming back to do his impressions!

Thats the second time VB has 'subtley' alluded to Mario Rosenstock...like we're all still going to get a big surprise when he comes on screen. :rolleyes:

Come on Vincent, its an adult audience you have...

Koloman

Sardonicat wrote: »

Dukes reminds me of a surgeon who has just given you bad news and is practised at conveying to a patient that an amputation and industrial strength chemo are nothing ot be afraid off...

How about a labotomy then on the bank?

Skid

Stoopid duplicate post