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The Next Presidential Election

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    #182
    Laminations
    Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You didn't, but alot of people did.
    Are those people backword ?

    If people thought 'oh good on you, you gave a black guy a chance' then yes thats backwards. I was very glad he was elected because of what he stands for i.e. reform (or the opposite of what Bush stands for). Also because he is quite cool (as a person). Obama offered change, we need the same here


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    #183
    Iwasfrozen
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    I didn't say that, and since Obama is an American president, it's not particularly relevant - start another thread and we'll discuss it there.
    No need, I won't bring it past this post.
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    But briefly, I do think that someone's colour, orientation, race, sex, etc is irrelevant; they'd be no-go areas in most job interviews, or as a basis for refusing a job, so why should they be "cool" or acceptable, or even relevant ?
    Public office is not like most jobs there is no interview only your public popularity, for that reason Negros, Open Homosexuals, and Women have a natural disadvantage over a straight, white male. As people still hold with them old fashioned ideas.
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    If someone is the most qualified, they get it. If not, they don't.
    So you think Mc Cain, having eons of years more experience then Obama should have got the job ?
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    And while I accept that the world doesn't always work that way, I certainly see no reason to regard what should be normal as "cool".
    I said it was cool because he was Americas first Black President. Similarly Ireland having the first (open) gay President would also be cool.


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    #184
    Liam Byrne
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    So you think Mc Cain, having eons of years more experience then Obama should have got the job ?

    No. Experience does not equate directly to qualifications or suitability; perfect example - FF in Government in Ireland.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I said it was cool because he was Americas first Black President. Similarly Ireland having the first (open) gay President would also be cool.

    We'll agree to disagree. If he gets it, then fair play, but while I might respect the guy and like some of his opinions, I can't listen to his voice; I have to turn off the radio or TV when he's on.

    Not one of the more major requirements for the position, I'll admit, but then it is a fairly irrelevant position with no power, so the usual arguments about someone's skills compared to their voice/accent/appearance/etc don't really apply.


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    #185
    Laminations
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    As was Barack Obama, but it was still pretty cool when he was elected.

    So your saying America was backword when they elected Obama and people made a huge deal about his race ?
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No need, I won't bring it past this post.


    Public office is not like most jobs there is no interview only your public popularity, for that reason Negros, Open Homosexuals, and Women have a natural disadvantage over a straight, white male. As people still hold with them old fashioned ideas.

    You answered your own question

    Edit: Just to clarify, they weren't backward to elect him, people are backward when they take race etc into account.


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    #186
    Annasopra
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    As a Labour member I'd definitely like to see Michael D running - more than any politician in Ireland he has consistently stood up for socialist principles, for working people, for human rights - he's a wonderfully inspiring man

    If Micheal D didn't get the nomination from Labour I'd like to see Niall Crowley (not Brian) former Equality Authority CEO

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #187
    anymore
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    If Michael D was elelcted PRESIDENT,then would he qualify for four separate public sector pensions :
    AS Professor, as TD, as Minister for State and as President.
    So how exactly would that make him a representative of the working person ?


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    #188
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    As I was trying to think of things that might make Bertie Ahern unique or distinguish him from other potential Presidentail candidates, I realised that he has probably fundamentally affected more political parties than any other one individual politician in the last fifty years !
    • He has helped to drive the PDS to extinction;
    • By its association with him, he has helped to drive the Greens to the edge of extinction;
    • He has driven FF, through his policies, to its lowest ever ratings in the opnion polls.
    In fairness, those are some farily unique accomplishments !:)
    As they said about the islanders off the kerry coast " Ni bheidh a leitheid ann aris "
    ( Apologies for poor irish spelling and grmmar )


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